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Anyone else have a partner who volunteers them without discussion?

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wizardofsoz · 04/06/2024 21:04

My DH and I are currently in different parts of the house with the doors shut after a huge row.

He retired (58) last year. I'm a bit younger and need to work till 60 to ensure a decent pension. I work from home three days of the week and he struggles to understand that I have a proper full-time job that can't be interrupted throughout the day.

He's really good at organising and project management. That was his field. He enjoys making things happen and he's great at it. His events have been really successful and given a lot of people a lot of pleasure. But not me!

Last year he organised three events (all for charity or the local community). For each of them he had a little team of volunteers. None of these projects were anything I'm involved or interested in, but he took it as read that I'd produce the posters and tickets and programmes etc ('No one else can do it, Wiz. It's your skill set, why are you so mean?') or write the press releases and send them out to local radio and TV and all the local media ('Oh, come on, Wiz, you know you're better at that than anyone on the team. You can do it in an hour, it'll take Miriam days and she won't do it half so well.') And then on the day of the event he expects me to muck in and cover everything that needs doing at the last minute. He seems to think he can just deploy me how he wants and he puts me in situations where I seem churlish if I say no. Last event the guy who was running the car park had an accident and couldn't stand out in the rain all evening. DH said in front of everyone that I'd do it. No discussion. Put me in a position that it was impossible to get out of without looking mean and churlish.

Every event has ended up with major rows and I've made it clear time and time again that they are his projects and I don't want to be involved. I've told him in no uncertain terms I'm not an extension of him: he can't just hold a meeting and tell people that I'll do this and that. And still he does it. He holds a meeting with the volunteers, asks who'll do this or that — and if no one volunteers he says I'll do it.

At the weekend he had the first meeting for the next project and decided that someone needed to write and design a flyer and then create a Twitter account and a FB account. No one there has the skills so he said I'd do it. We had a row about it on Sunday that completely ruined the day. I said no. He's just continued to ask me when I'm doing it. I didn't do anything yesterday. Today he was out till about 4pm and when he came home opened my study door while I was working and on the phone to a client, and bellowed 'Have you finished that flyer yet?'

I couldn't believe he'd talk to me like the worst kind of manager does. Massive row ensued. He says I'm unreasonable and partners should help each other out. I've said I will, for the knock-down price of £100 ph. I just get 'You could have had it all done on Sunday if you'd put your head down. We're a team, you have skills I don't have. This isn't for my benefit, it's for charity.' Apparently I'm bloody impossible.

This is a new behaviour. When he was working he had a team who worked to his instruction. Now he's not working he seems to have mistaken me for his team. How the fuck do I get through to him that I'm not here to help him? We've been married for nearly 30 years and up till now I would have said he's a reasonable person, but this is really doing my head in.

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DullFanFiction · 05/06/2024 15:25

He was used to have staff to do all the crap boring work him and has relegated you to the staff category.

My dad had a business and did exactly that when he retired.
My mum had to remind him many many times that he wasn’t at work, it wasn’t his company and she was NOT going to do X and Y/accept orders from him 😳😳😳

The fact he is using the other volunteers to put pressure on you is disgusting though. It’s not just the fact you have to say NO to them or explain why. It’s also the fact he is basically using emotional manipulation to get what he wants - the emotional and social pressure coming from the community itself, one where YOU live. All based on his LIES. Because telling people you’ll do it is a lie. He knows you don’t want to.

ABirdsEyeView · 05/06/2024 16:49

When people from your community call you, you need to tell them that you never agreed to do X, that your husband has a habit of volunteering your time and they shouldn't assume you've agreed to anything just in his say so.
Drop him right back in the shit, like he's happy to do to you!

beergiggles · 05/06/2024 17:30

The fact he is using the other volunteers to put pressure on you is disgusting
It is but it would be easy to make this backfire on him so he ends up looking like a twit in front of everyone.

wizardofsoz · 05/06/2024 17:37

This has all gone a bit bonkers.

Thank you to those posters who told me of their similar experiences and made me feel less isolated.

Thanks in particular to those who showed some understanding of how challenging it might be for someone who has worked at quite a high level, with a team of professionals to realise his ideas, to transition to retirement. I have some ideas to offer him that should make my life easier. Cheers.

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MrsTomRipley · 05/06/2024 18:19

Good luck Wiz I think it's just a matter of him adapting to retirement. My DH has recently retired and has taken on a big role, luckily there were already volunteers in place, and a few who could be persuaded. I avoid it 99% of the time

NewName24 · 05/06/2024 20:07

IHateWasps · 05/06/2024 08:38

I wonder how many marriages voluntary work destroys?

It’s selfish people who destroy marriages not voluntary work or golf, cycling, football etc. it’s perfectly possible to enjoy any of the above without having it take over your life and try to have it take over your spouse’s too.

This is spot on.

I always think this when people say "I'd never marry a man that likes football". It's just bizarre.
"I'd never marry a man who didn't respect me and who wasn't willing to take our marriage / family / relationship seriously" makes a lot of sense, but what they might enjoy doing or watching isn't the issue.

ByUmberCrow · 05/06/2024 21:05

Haven’t read the full thread so apologies if the suggestion has already been made, but - could you possibly bear to volunteer a bit of time to teach either you DH or one of the volunteers how to do the posters properly?

I would do that, on the understanding of my DH that it was the only contribution of MY time that I was prepared to give to HIS commitments.

i’d also make sure to have other plans on the actual event days so I couldn’t be roped in at the last minute!

lottiegarbanzo · 06/06/2024 07:12

On the 'team' thing. You're a team domestically, supporting each others' out-of-home endeavours that way. But you are not part of his 'volunteering' team, just as he is not part of your work team.

He'd be pretty surprised if you assigned him work tasks, then shouted at him for not doing them quickly enough, wouldn't he.

He's suffering from domestic confusion. Because he's now at home more, he thinks everything he does is part of the domestic sphere. Previously that's presumably been his experience of 'doing things at home'.

Because you work from home, he mistakes your work time for domestic activity.

He needs to adjust his understanding of 'things that happen inside and outside the home' and of what is work time, shared domestic time, personal hobby and down-time.

SheilaFentiman · 06/06/2024 07:36

@lottiegarbanzo that is really well put.

3luckystars · 06/06/2024 07:43

That’s excellent.

I also think it is not just you that will start getting annoyed at him. This is voluntary work not paid work, he probably uses these ‘Persuasive tactics’ on others and they cave in and do it, like you have been because they are embarrassed or he is buttering them up.

That’s ok in a workplace when a manager is asking you, or there might be a promise of promotion or extra money, or a good word, but outside of work it’s very different and it just feels like hassling.

I would not be surprised if others started feeling like you so soon, and his team of volunteers shrink.

Tontostitis · 06/06/2024 07:47

He should apply to be a magistrate

Tontostitis · 06/06/2024 07:48

Actually you should apply for him to be a magistrate without telling him first

ABirdsEyeView · 06/06/2024 08:49

Why would anyone want this self important, disrespectful and downright rude man, serving as a magistrate? The people we appoint to sit in judgement of others, should be the best of us, not the ones with the biggest egos!

TeaGinandFags · 06/06/2024 09:40

OP, you don't need to put a lock on the door. All you need is a screwdriver to unscrew the plate and take the spindle out. That way he won't be able to burst in.

TeaGinandFags · 06/06/2024 09:43

ByUmberCrow · 05/06/2024 21:05

Haven’t read the full thread so apologies if the suggestion has already been made, but - could you possibly bear to volunteer a bit of time to teach either you DH or one of the volunteers how to do the posters properly?

I would do that, on the understanding of my DH that it was the only contribution of MY time that I was prepared to give to HIS commitments.

i’d also make sure to have other plans on the actual event days so I couldn’t be roped in at the last minute!

That won't work as it's not about the posters. It's about Mr Wiz being the big cheese and Mrs Wiz as his adoring handmaiden.

Slugsandsnailsresidehere · 06/06/2024 09:57

DF was like this when he retired and it drove my DM to the brink as she still had her own pt business and did not have time to be a replication of his work "team".

DM agreed to help out alongside her business on a business setting only: only if it worked with her business schedule, was firmly scheduled (no faffing about), and she was paid the going rate for her time. When DF realised she was deadly serious he found another freelance volunteer to badger do the work 😁

wizardofsoz · 06/06/2024 10:52

lottiegarbanzo · 06/06/2024 07:12

On the 'team' thing. You're a team domestically, supporting each others' out-of-home endeavours that way. But you are not part of his 'volunteering' team, just as he is not part of your work team.

He'd be pretty surprised if you assigned him work tasks, then shouted at him for not doing them quickly enough, wouldn't he.

He's suffering from domestic confusion. Because he's now at home more, he thinks everything he does is part of the domestic sphere. Previously that's presumably been his experience of 'doing things at home'.

Because you work from home, he mistakes your work time for domestic activity.

He needs to adjust his understanding of 'things that happen inside and outside the home' and of what is work time, shared domestic time, personal hobby and down-time.

Useful observations: makes complete sense to me. It gives us a good starting point to have a constructive rather than destructive conversation about what's going on. Thank you v much!

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wizardofsoz · 06/06/2024 10:55

Tontostitis · 06/06/2024 07:48

Actually you should apply for him to be a magistrate without telling him first

That's very tempting, I have to say.

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beergiggles · 06/06/2024 12:06

Slugsandsnailsresidehere · 06/06/2024 09:57

DF was like this when he retired and it drove my DM to the brink as she still had her own pt business and did not have time to be a replication of his work "team".

DM agreed to help out alongside her business on a business setting only: only if it worked with her business schedule, was firmly scheduled (no faffing about), and she was paid the going rate for her time. When DF realised she was deadly serious he found another freelance volunteer to badger do the work 😁

Isn't it astonishing how hard a man will push to and get a women to work for free so that HE can get the credit.
Their core instinct so often is to exploit women every chance they get.

ABirdsEyeView · 06/06/2024 13:58

"Because you work from home, he mistakes your work time for domestic activity. "

I'm not sure about this. OP's dh is obviously an intelligent man, who has held a senior role. I think the above makes his behaviour sound like he's a bumbling old fool who cannot help it! Now I'm sure he is struggling with retirement, but his behaviour here isn't a 'mistake'. He knows what he's doing, and he's happy to throw the OP under the bus to get his own way. It's manipulative and it's deliberate, as much as the OP wants to see the best in him, I don't think it's going to help her to give him the 'get out of jail free card' of implying it's a mistake or he's confused .

shams05 · 06/06/2024 14:04

I bet his coworkers breathed a huge sigh of relief when he retired. You can just see what type of a manager he must have been.

SaturdayFive · 06/06/2024 14:18

It sounds very challenging for you. There is an opportunity here for the volunteers, or him, to upskill themselves surely? Lots of YouTube videos or online courses on marketing, posters etc. I'd be tempted to work from the office full time, though you shouldn't have to, don't answer any calls from his volunteer committee, block emails/WhatsApps even. A bit tricky if they are also friends, but they should understand your predicament if they are? Keep repeating that you're not retired and have a full schedule. (And hope he doesn't run off with a helpful doormat who's at his beck and call and oh so helpful)

wizardofsoz · 06/06/2024 16:26

shams05 · 06/06/2024 14:04

I bet his coworkers breathed a huge sigh of relief when he retired. You can just see what type of a manager he must have been.

Can you just? Please go into details.

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wizardofsoz · 06/06/2024 16:28

ABirdsEyeView · 06/06/2024 13:58

"Because you work from home, he mistakes your work time for domestic activity. "

I'm not sure about this. OP's dh is obviously an intelligent man, who has held a senior role. I think the above makes his behaviour sound like he's a bumbling old fool who cannot help it! Now I'm sure he is struggling with retirement, but his behaviour here isn't a 'mistake'. He knows what he's doing, and he's happy to throw the OP under the bus to get his own way. It's manipulative and it's deliberate, as much as the OP wants to see the best in him, I don't think it's going to help her to give him the 'get out of jail free card' of implying it's a mistake or he's confused .

The word 'mistakes' here doesn't mean he actually literally mistakes one thing for another or has dementia or whatever. It's about the subconscious difficulties we have adapting to changes in life's rhythms and patterns.

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Naunet · 06/06/2024 16:34

So he thinks ‘being a team’ means him dictating what you should do, and you meekly doing it? Where did he find that definition?