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Anyone else have a partner who volunteers them without discussion?

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wizardofsoz · 04/06/2024 21:04

My DH and I are currently in different parts of the house with the doors shut after a huge row.

He retired (58) last year. I'm a bit younger and need to work till 60 to ensure a decent pension. I work from home three days of the week and he struggles to understand that I have a proper full-time job that can't be interrupted throughout the day.

He's really good at organising and project management. That was his field. He enjoys making things happen and he's great at it. His events have been really successful and given a lot of people a lot of pleasure. But not me!

Last year he organised three events (all for charity or the local community). For each of them he had a little team of volunteers. None of these projects were anything I'm involved or interested in, but he took it as read that I'd produce the posters and tickets and programmes etc ('No one else can do it, Wiz. It's your skill set, why are you so mean?') or write the press releases and send them out to local radio and TV and all the local media ('Oh, come on, Wiz, you know you're better at that than anyone on the team. You can do it in an hour, it'll take Miriam days and she won't do it half so well.') And then on the day of the event he expects me to muck in and cover everything that needs doing at the last minute. He seems to think he can just deploy me how he wants and he puts me in situations where I seem churlish if I say no. Last event the guy who was running the car park had an accident and couldn't stand out in the rain all evening. DH said in front of everyone that I'd do it. No discussion. Put me in a position that it was impossible to get out of without looking mean and churlish.

Every event has ended up with major rows and I've made it clear time and time again that they are his projects and I don't want to be involved. I've told him in no uncertain terms I'm not an extension of him: he can't just hold a meeting and tell people that I'll do this and that. And still he does it. He holds a meeting with the volunteers, asks who'll do this or that — and if no one volunteers he says I'll do it.

At the weekend he had the first meeting for the next project and decided that someone needed to write and design a flyer and then create a Twitter account and a FB account. No one there has the skills so he said I'd do it. We had a row about it on Sunday that completely ruined the day. I said no. He's just continued to ask me when I'm doing it. I didn't do anything yesterday. Today he was out till about 4pm and when he came home opened my study door while I was working and on the phone to a client, and bellowed 'Have you finished that flyer yet?'

I couldn't believe he'd talk to me like the worst kind of manager does. Massive row ensued. He says I'm unreasonable and partners should help each other out. I've said I will, for the knock-down price of £100 ph. I just get 'You could have had it all done on Sunday if you'd put your head down. We're a team, you have skills I don't have. This isn't for my benefit, it's for charity.' Apparently I'm bloody impossible.

This is a new behaviour. When he was working he had a team who worked to his instruction. Now he's not working he seems to have mistaken me for his team. How the fuck do I get through to him that I'm not here to help him? We've been married for nearly 30 years and up till now I would have said he's a reasonable person, but this is really doing my head in.

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ABirdsEyeView · 06/06/2024 16:43

I don't mean that people are excusing him on the grounds they think he has dementia - I take it more to be a 'poor menz' attitude, a 'they can't help being so useless, it's an accident' way of thinking, as a means of excusing what is just poor behaviour.

I get that you want to see your husband in the best possible light, but he's openly screwing you over here and he absolutely knows he is doing it. You want to find a reason that isn't simply him being a disrespectful arse.

What happened when he interrupted your work call, bellowing orders? How did you deal with that and what was his response?

redfacebigdisgrace · 06/06/2024 17:42

@wizardofsoz I think the fact that he sees fit to run roughshod over you, has little respect for your job, shouts at you when you’re on a call to a client says plenty about the type of manager he was. Or does he just save that behaviour for his wife?l

Flopsythebunny · 06/06/2024 18:02

Tontostitis · 06/06/2024 07:48

Actually you should apply for him to be a magistrate without telling him first

Someone with so little self awareness should not be a magistrate

Flopsythebunny · 06/06/2024 18:09

wizardofsoz · 05/06/2024 17:37

This has all gone a bit bonkers.

Thank you to those posters who told me of their similar experiences and made me feel less isolated.

Thanks in particular to those who showed some understanding of how challenging it might be for someone who has worked at quite a high level, with a team of professionals to realise his ideas, to transition to retirement. I have some ideas to offer him that should make my life easier. Cheers.

He's a grown up. Why do you need to come up with ideas to stop him treating you like an employee.
It sounds me like he doesn't see you as his equal

OnceICaughtACold · 06/06/2024 18:29

The thing is, OP, yes this is a huge life transition and it’s good to give him a bit of grace about it. But what that means is that you calmly discuss with him, and if necessary perhaps do so a second time. If he continues to ride roughshod over the boundaries you put in place he’s no longer deserving of sympathy, he’s being a dick.

beergiggles · 06/06/2024 18:34

ABirdsEyeView · 06/06/2024 13:58

"Because you work from home, he mistakes your work time for domestic activity. "

I'm not sure about this. OP's dh is obviously an intelligent man, who has held a senior role. I think the above makes his behaviour sound like he's a bumbling old fool who cannot help it! Now I'm sure he is struggling with retirement, but his behaviour here isn't a 'mistake'. He knows what he's doing, and he's happy to throw the OP under the bus to get his own way. It's manipulative and it's deliberate, as much as the OP wants to see the best in him, I don't think it's going to help her to give him the 'get out of jail free card' of implying it's a mistake or he's confused .

I think it more likely that the husband hopes SHE will mistake her work for domestic activity and/or that if he acts like he is in charge she will default to obeying him.

Teaandcakes8 · 07/06/2024 10:57

I think some men really struggle with retirement, my Dad has been a nightmare!

His work was his only love, he devoted everything to it and neglected all other aspects of his life. He tried to avoid retiring but eventually it was unavoidable. It was a big shock to his system, he was completely lost and so he gave himself a 'management' role in the family, making himself more important than anybody else and he's become increasingly impossible, selfish and angry since.

The only advice I can give you is to stand your ground and try and nip this in the bud. We've allowed the Dad's behaviour to go on for too long, thinking he'd eventually transition. He hasn't, his behaviour has just escalated and he's nothing more than a bully now. Sadly it's caused a lot of rifts and unhappiness.

meimei80 · 07/06/2024 11:33

Honestly? I would LTB and enjoy a peaceful retirement on my own terms.

SheilaFentiman · 07/06/2024 11:45

meimei80 · 07/06/2024 11:33

Honestly? I would LTB and enjoy a peaceful retirement on my own terms.

Would you? Would you leave a 20 plus year marriage if someone was being a bit of an arse? Sell the forever home? Live alone for 20-30 more years? Really? Not try and sort the problem some other way that doesn’t torch years of love and companionship and financial security?

OK. Sure.

beergiggles · 07/06/2024 11:48

Nip it in the bud is very good advice!
People with dominant personalities . . . these leopards do not change their spots, they get out of control very quickly. Slap them down before they get any ideas.

curious79 · 07/06/2024 11:53

wizardofsoz · 04/06/2024 23:10

Did you tell the volunteers that you weren’t doing the posters etc in the past when they’d phoned?

Yes, I have and they have been 'But John said you'll have them done by Thursday' and I've had to explain that John didn't consult me before committing me and that it's not possible. And then they get upset and huffy and have long conversations with me about what are they supposed to do if there are no posters and I have to explain that I'm not part of this project and they're going to have to sort this out between them...

Now bear in mind some of these people are our neighbours, some are friends, most of them are people I'll bump into at some point in the shop or out walking or in our little local library (which was one of the causes he held a fundraiser for). Word is already getting round that I'm the mean bitch who won't throw a poster together to help raise money for the local library.* I've already been told that people are talking about our marriage, because he's so fantastic and does such good work and I'm so grudging.

*making a good poster that's eye-catching and gets all the relevant information across is more complicated than it looks. And once I've designed it and created images for it we're talking 3-4 hours. Once it's approved (the volunteers can be very picky and require changes) it's also my job to send it off to be printed up and delivered. Apparently.

Who has been saying you’re a mean bltch ?! That’s awful. But I would ignore it (particularly if it came from him).

my husband has just proposed me to sit on our parish council - it was galling

Your husband is clearly struggling to cope with retirement. Many people do. And to go from being a major projects organiser to piddling around with local events - he's looking to recreate work but as you say hadn’t adapted to the resource he has available. To some extent it’s a compliment.

You can only be polite and calm and say ‘I’m sorry… I didn’t know about this and due to my own work commitments it won’t be possible’ followed by ‘please be aware he signs me up for these things without asking me’. Hopefully he’ll soon get embarrassed enough to stop putting you forward

rookiemere · 07/06/2024 12:15

@curious79 I hope you turned down the parish council position !
It is awful because it kind of feels a bit like some men regard their DWs as chattel without independent thought of their own. But I do think it's unconscious and can be drummed out fairly quickly if it's a reaction to the new situation of retirement, rather than they've been like that all their life.

I've seen it a bit myself with DH. I'm taking voluntary redundancy from my current company and I'm very keen to find a new role. DH keeps talking about how I should take and enjoy a long break and spend more time caring for my DPs, because that's what he would like to do ( possibly minus the caring for my DPs bit) It's been very hard to convince him that actually I get a lot of self actualisation from a salary and I'm not ready to down tools just yet and in fact I am not him and think differently. I would never assume we have a hive mind, so why does he ?

ABirdsEyeView · 07/06/2024 12:30

See this is part of the problem - women know full well that their husbands are individuals with their own thoughts and we don't need them to teach us this. So why do women in the same breath, then claim their husbands can't help it, that their behaviour is unconscious, that they need us to teach them we are not extensions of them?

These are intelligent, articulate men, who've held senior roles in places where this sort of behaviour wouldn't be acceptable.

If a woman tells her husband not to do this and reminds him once, then anything he does after that point is deliberate. Just as it would be if a woman was doing it!

DullFanFiction · 07/06/2024 12:30

wizardofsoz · 06/06/2024 10:52

Useful observations: makes complete sense to me. It gives us a good starting point to have a constructive rather than destructive conversation about what's going on. Thank you v much!

To be really honest, I’d expect an intelligent man who was the working at the level he was to NOT think in that way.

If I was at his place and you’d tell me I was suffering from ‘domestic confusion’, I’d be upset you’d think I was so stupid.

I mean, unable to make the difference between housework and you working?
Unable to see that doing the housework together is different from automatically involving you in my endeavours (for which I but not you receive all the credit)?

I’d think you had lost the plot on that one.

beergiggles · 07/06/2024 12:40

If a woman tells her husband not to do this and reminds him once, then anything he does after that point is deliberate
Of course I get what you're saying, but I think if a woman tells her husband to do something he sees a woman with her mouth moving and noise coming out and it is classified as trivia and goes in the bin in his mind.

Purplecatshopaholic · 07/06/2024 12:52

You have my sympathies op. My OH did try this at the start of our relationship - he does quite a bit of volunteer work, and started trying to rope me in to do stuff. I just kept saying no and continued saying no. Highlighted I am not involved in X project, etc, etc. Over time he has gotten better I am glad to say, but I was worried for a while.

meimei80 · 07/06/2024 13:13

SheilaFentiman · 07/06/2024 11:45

Would you? Would you leave a 20 plus year marriage if someone was being a bit of an arse? Sell the forever home? Live alone for 20-30 more years? Really? Not try and sort the problem some other way that doesn’t torch years of love and companionship and financial security?

OK. Sure.

Yes, and this is not just someone being a bit of an arse - his behaviour is outrageous!

'Forever home' - LOL! There are many different, and rewarding, ways to live. Not everyone needs a mansion to be happy.

And who says she would have to live alone? Although many women actually thrive on their own after looking after their man-babies for most of their lives! You seem to think women desperately need men at all times which just isn't the case!

The 1950s want their values back.

Pinkbonbon · 07/06/2024 13:23

He needs to go back to work. Too much time on his hands and he doesn't know what to do with himself.

Boating123 · 07/06/2024 13:27

I think you would be a bit mean to say you will do nothing from now on.
I would say I am willing to do one specific job for his projects to help him - posters maybe be, but nothing else.

If he says can you just do X Y Z, I would say no, I'm just in charge of posters. If others phone up for you to do something I would say no - I'm doing the posters. If in front of everyone he says you'll do something I would say - sorry, I'm just in charge of posters.

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NasiDagang · 07/06/2024 14:05

meimei80 · 07/06/2024 13:13

Yes, and this is not just someone being a bit of an arse - his behaviour is outrageous!

'Forever home' - LOL! There are many different, and rewarding, ways to live. Not everyone needs a mansion to be happy.

And who says she would have to live alone? Although many women actually thrive on their own after looking after their man-babies for most of their lives! You seem to think women desperately need men at all times which just isn't the case!

The 1950s want their values back.

Totally agree, living alone is preferable to having a bullying husband. Many women thrive after divorce, a horrible relationship can really grind you down.

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LTB was actual helpful advice!

Your great advice seems to be to tiptoe around the bully so you can keep your 'forever home', financial security and don't have to be alone for 30 years Hmm

Calm down, dear.

Elsewhere123 · 07/06/2024 14:50

Put your rules in writing. EG. Do not volunteer me for anything. I will not produce any posters.Print out and laminate the sheet. Every time he breaks a rule, pull the sheet out of your handbag an point to rule and gently laugh.

RebeccaRedhat · 07/06/2024 19:02

Suggest to him that enrolled on one of those free graphic design courses so he can learn how to make fliers and posters. If he's only doing events a few times per year, there's plenty time between now and the next one!

Jiski · 07/06/2024 19:04

You’ve been a pushover so expects you do it again. Absolutely refuse even if he tells people you’ll do something. Say “actually you must have forgotten but I can’t do that remember…” Don’t attend the events either then you can’t get roped in. Soon he’ll get the idea.

Also you need a lock on your door because he can’t be trusted to not interrupt meetings.

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