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We had an affair

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username098765 · 25/05/2024 18:21

I know I will get a lot of hate for this which I know I deserve.
Several years ago I had a fling with a friend, we were both in bad places at the time and it was no more than that. 18 months ago we started having an affair, he was married. 12 months ago he left his wife and we have been together since. I know how awful this is and it's no excuse but he was massively unhappy. He has a young ds who I am not allowed to see - I understand why. His parents won't have anything to do with me don't want to hear anything about me - fair enough. I know it's incredibly unlikely but has anyone been in this situation before and things turned out ok? Obviously he'd like me to be part of ds life in time but I can't ever see it happening. We know we have done wrong and I don't need anyone telling me that. We can't help how we feel and it wasn't a decision we made lightly.

OP posts:
acatcalledjohn · 26/05/2024 14:12

He has a young ds who I am not allowed to see - I understand why.

Whilst I believe you both acted badly (him more than you), that you aren't allowed to see his son is insanity. His ex legally has t got a leg to stand on. Even if you two don't last and he ends up with someone else, is she always going to dictate who the child can see during contact? As shit as I'm sure she feels, and as much as she needs time to process it all, she does not get to control who her child meets when he is with his dad.

I would absolutely expect him to fight for his son (official custody arrangement) in court and if he didn't, I'd think a damn sight less of him.

What I do find depressing is that clearly it's easier for the parties to blame you for this situation, rather than him. It says a lot about how the world still views cheaters as the poor, unsuspecting victims who have clearly been led on by the evil outsider.

takemeawayagain · 26/05/2024 14:13

You made your bed, now you have to lie in it I guess.

That said when your OH has the kids it'e entirely up to him who they see and if he wants to introduce you then he can.

It sounds like a horrible situation though and not one that I would want to be involved in.

spov · 26/05/2024 14:20

username098765 · 25/05/2024 19:21

Is just like to add we did not sleep together before he left his wife. I know that doesn't make it any better.

I don’t think it makes it any better.

He left his wife / family to be with you. That’s a very big deal, life changing, devastating.

what is in this scenario for you, really? In laws that despise you, an ex-w who feels you have made a strong contribution to ruining her family?

id make a careful assessment of whether this is really what you want. You’ve been with him 18 months, have no kids with him. You could get out of this shitshow pretty easily. Unless you are 100% sure you love him, and that your relationship is strong enough to get through the mess that has been created by it.

spov · 26/05/2024 14:20

takemeawayagain · 26/05/2024 14:13

You made your bed, now you have to lie in it I guess.

That said when your OH has the kids it'e entirely up to him who they see and if he wants to introduce you then he can.

It sounds like a horrible situation though and not one that I would want to be involved in.

That’s it though - I don’t think she has to lie in this bed. She could get away.

alianna · 26/05/2024 14:51

Jadedbuthappy82 · 25/05/2024 19:12

Karma has a way of working these things out. A man I was with had an affair and married her... He's already cheating on her. What goes around comes around and you reap as you sew... He will do the same to you some day, more or less guaranteed lass

This is ridiculous. I know plenty people who have got married, been very happy at the time and things changed as the years went on. Both people changed and just fell out of love. Yes it’s better to leave before cheating but instead of just ridiculing every woman and man who has ever had an affair, I think people need to have a good look at what caused their marriage to get to that state in the first place. Your ex sounds like a cheating scumbag. There is a difference between his type and people who are genuinely unhappy and falling in love with someone else. I know people who met through affairs and are very happy years and years later. I also know married couples who don’t even share the same bedroom but stay together miserably and will spend the rest of their lives living a miserable life til the day they die, just because of the opinions of others. That is very sad imo. And no I haven’t had an affair and yes I have been cheated on in the past but I’m not eaten up with bitterness

MILhere · 26/05/2024 15:04

@Clakeface name change fail? Oh dear. No, I don't find your life interesting, I find it "interesting". Your cheated spouses aren't responsible for your actions. You talk like you and your new 'true love' played no part in any of it.

Jadedbuthappy82 · 26/05/2024 15:26

alianna · 26/05/2024 14:51

This is ridiculous. I know plenty people who have got married, been very happy at the time and things changed as the years went on. Both people changed and just fell out of love. Yes it’s better to leave before cheating but instead of just ridiculing every woman and man who has ever had an affair, I think people need to have a good look at what caused their marriage to get to that state in the first place. Your ex sounds like a cheating scumbag. There is a difference between his type and people who are genuinely unhappy and falling in love with someone else. I know people who met through affairs and are very happy years and years later. I also know married couples who don’t even share the same bedroom but stay together miserably and will spend the rest of their lives living a miserable life til the day they die, just because of the opinions of others. That is very sad imo. And no I haven’t had an affair and yes I have been cheated on in the past but I’m not eaten up with bitterness

Calm down love, nothing makes cheating ok. The end.

Thewookiemustgo · 26/05/2024 17:08

Nobody can help falling in love, no. They certainly can help every single one of their subsequent choices in how they handle it though.
It isn’t falling in love with someone else that gets judged on Mumsnet, nobody can control that feeling.
It’s the lying, deceiving, gaslighting, betrayal, lack of integrity and dishonesty with which affairs are conducted that gets judged here. Because all of that isn’t a random event like ‘falling in love’.
Deception is not a feeling that ‘just happens’. It’s a series of conscious deliberate choices. Honesty is never one of them.
Agency is taken away, a fake reality is presented, sexual health put at risk. To name but a few.
That’s why the behaviour of those who choose to have an affair or get involved in an affair gets judged on here and quite rightly so. It’s a hideous way to treat another human being.

Livinghappy · 26/05/2024 17:40

@Notsuchaniceguy - fair play for the honesty. I think your story isn't that unusual. The men who I know that have had affairs did all have difficult childhoods and the affairs were symptoms of their poor emotional regulation, not that they had finally met "the love of their life".

Are you prepared to live alone?

Mensuckbigtime · 26/05/2024 17:42

Notsuchaniceguy · 26/05/2024 14:04

I left my wife and two young children for a colleague with two young children. We had an emotional affair and I told my wife about it and separated and it became physical. I was selfish, emotionally immature and then some, full of self pity because my childhood had been shite.

We moved in together straight away and the kids began staying over straight away as well. They are all mid/late twenties now. I'd say two of the four are doing OK, one not so much and my daughter is badly scarred. None of them express our affair and subsequent marriage as the cause of their trauma but I'd bet my life that it is a huge part. If we'd managed the children being with us better would things have been different for them? Maybe, maybe not. If we'd not had an affair then of course yes.

My AP was incredibly jealous from the day our new front door closed. My ex wife was called a weirdo, freak and so on (not in front of kids, even then I would not have stood for that). I was interrogated every time I had contact with her, not allowed to go into her house to collect kids. My phone was requested for checking every week. After all, she knew I had cheated and moreover had cheated herself before. Affair with a married older colleague when she was in her 20s and most of her prior relationships only ended when she'd found someone else.

We are still married 20 years on. It has been grim. In the end I confirmed her fears when very drunk as I kissed a friend. I told her straight away, I think as I was hoping it would end the toxic mess but it didn't and I was too thick/afraid/immature to just end it.

I was ashamed of the affair from the off but too spineless to end it and so doubled down to try to show the world and myself it was worth it. My wife has rewritten history to say she had told her husband the marriage was dead so her remaining married to him in a home he mainly paid for until she found someone else was fine. So I am the cheater and she never has cheated once (the previous affair she told me about cannot be mentioned. I tried once in our marriage counselling, it did not go well).

AP's family hated me and her for a long time, her ex husband was invited to celebrations in her family not me or her. We go now but it's just a thin veneer of civility over the distaste. My children still aren't invited at all. My tiny family were OK with her and her kids.

I lost most of my friends and my AP didn't really have many anyway. I never saw any of my ex wife's family again.

These days, when asked out of earshot of my wife, how we met, I tell people the unvarnished truth. Through a sordid affair. They then have the choice to work with me/befriend me, keep mw at arms length or tell me to fuck off. And at least I don't have the shame of having made some lie up to add to the shame of the affair.

I did, eventually, grow up. With a lot of hard challenging therapy and reading I learned to like myself more which makes it easier to be less selfish and more open to others' suffering. I have apologised to my children with no expectations that they forgive me. I try to be a better man. My marriage is generally grim, sexless (her choice) and dull, but unless I can leave my wife financially comfortable then I stay. She wants me to stay to pay for house, netflix etc. It's like her last marriage all over again. She watches a fuck load of romantic comedies and American hospital series and points out how unromantic I am compared to the characters. If I try to bold hands I'm pestering for sex, if I don't I'm a cold loveless man. I do the life admin, the housework and imagine myself living on my own.

I left my ex wife everything financially, house, all savings including mine, all her pensions which were far bigger than mine as I'd been a SAHD until just prior to the affair. I knew then that if I hadn't AP and I would have lost anything we had taken. She didn't have anything from her ex husband as he retained custody and their house. Hence as we started from scratch in our late 30s we don't have much now. Hence wife's reluctance for me to go.

So OP, maybe your journey will be better. Maybe not. I don't know the stats, I'm not sure anyone does, not in depth, but I'd be willing to bet my shitty little mortgaged house that most relationships that begin as affairs, whether they last or not, are overall less happy than those that begin without cheating. You may not be an awful person, not all cheaters are sociopaths, narcissists or lack any good qualities. You have done an awful thing. How you make the best of it for everyone exposed to the fallout is up to you. If I'd had a spine after I confessed the affair I'd have said to my wife that I had removed the AP from my life, given my wife the choice of what she did next without any attempt to persuade her to one course or another and abided by her decision. If I'd grown a spine a little later on I'd have never married AP, left her and focussed on being a single dad to my kids.

Wow, thanks for your honesty and rhe courage to own up to your mistakes!

Barbie78 · 26/05/2024 17:56

‘Laughable that someone thinks my husband is the love of their life.’ I think this sums it up. Cheating shows that someone, especially when married with usually very young children, is a bad bet. They are evidently selfish. Lacking in morals and happy to sabotage their children’s happiness. I know I would never be able to relax into a relationship with someone like that. What’s going to happen ten years down the line. Exactly what happened to the cheated spouse.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 26/05/2024 18:04

I think people need to have a good look at what caused their marriage to get to that state in the first place

As far as I was aware we were OK. He was a bit moody about a big birthday coming up, but we were sleeping together, doing things together and going on holiday together. I was getting very slight 'something's amiss' signals but I not unreasonably assumed that if something was wrong he'd sit down and talk about it with me like an adult - not fuck another woman and scuttle off having cleared out all his stuff and leaving me a letter.

So fuck off with your 'look at what caused this marriage to get into this state in the first place' shite.

Clakeface · 26/05/2024 18:19

MILhere · 26/05/2024 15:04

@Clakeface name change fail? Oh dear. No, I don't find your life interesting, I find it "interesting". Your cheated spouses aren't responsible for your actions. You talk like you and your new 'true love' played no part in any of it.

I’ve no idea what this means but enjoy the rest of your day, hun.

NCGrandParent · 26/05/2024 18:31

@username098765 You're not owed anything by your partner's family (which includes his ex). But if you are open and accountable and have empathy and compassion for the people who have been hurt by your actions, then there is a chance that with time, relationships can be developed or repaired. It takes time and work though. And how it goes very much depends on how you and your partner conduct yourselves. You can't control other people's feelings and reactions.

Notsuchaniceguy · 26/05/2024 19:16

Livinghappy · 26/05/2024 17:40

@Notsuchaniceguy - fair play for the honesty. I think your story isn't that unusual. The men who I know that have had affairs did all have difficult childhoods and the affairs were symptoms of their poor emotional regulation, not that they had finally met "the love of their life".

Are you prepared to live alone?

I would love to.

80s · 26/05/2024 19:19

I didn't own him just because we got married. People are allowed to change their minds
I dislike this comment - which you hear pretty often - as it implies that if you are devastated by your partner's infidelity, it is because you thought you owned them. That wasn't why I was devastated by my partner's infidelity, and I never acted like or thought that I owned him. I was devastated because he treated me and the children incredibly poorly while being unfaithful to me. I had told him that if he wanted to be with another woman, I'd appreciate it if he would leave me first. He didn't even manage to do that, let alone telling me any of his other inner thoughts about what he did not like about our marriage.

people need to have a good look at what caused their marriage to get to that state in the first place
This comment - which, again, you hear all the time - is also not helpful. Many cheaters make no complaints, and just seem to be bumbling along like plenty of faithful partners, having regular sex, often not a single argument. And it is more often than not the partner who is cheated on who has been making more effort to keep the marriage healthy.

OP, I agree with other posters that time will be a key factor here. People will get used to it, and/or you'll discover if it really is going to be a long-term thing.
Don't make it an "us and them" situation as it will just add to the pressure on you to stay together to prove that it was worth doing. Make sure that you are with this new guy because it's a great relationship, not because breaking up would make you look worse. And be sceptical/follow your gut feeling if you think he might be lying. I know your whole life now revolves around him having told the full truth about how unhappy he was before. But if you never question him, you could get in trouble. I'm pretty sure my ex convinced himself the stories he told his OW were true. I think she worked out that they were not all true, as she dumped him. Be tough like her and make sure he doesn't hurt you as well as his ex.

stinkylionita · 29/05/2024 23:30

I have a theory that the stats are skewed because I think people are more likely to stay in an unhappy relationship with an AP.

Out of pride, not wanting to admit they made the 'wrong' choice, wanting to convince themselves it was worth all of the hurt etc. Partly because, when you're married and meet someone and fall for them and it's all exciting and new then you can tell yourself that it's ok because you're star-crossed lovers who just have to be together and you can't help it.

Ten years later when life has got boring again and you meet someone again, it's harder to ignore the fact that maybe it's caused by your own issues with attachment, emotional maturity etc. and not a one off because you met your soulmate. At that point you might as well stick with the safe and familiar partner you've got, because you realise that the unhappiness comes from within.

Obviously lots of people have affairs and go on to be happy together, but I think in a lot of cases it's not as happy as it looks. A lot of posters say they know couples who got together this way and are perfectly happy, but I imagine notsuchaniceguy's experiences of phone checking and insecurity etc. are not that uncommon. Your friends are not necessarily going to share the ins and outs of their relationship with you.

I don't think people who have affairs are evil psychopaths but I think often they're selfish and immature. The comments from OP like "we can't help how we feel" are a perfect example. Absolutely no responsibility taken for a series of conscious choices made every day over months that have caused immense hurt. Most people are not judging the feelings they are judging the actions.

TheFormidableMrsC · 29/05/2024 23:36

stinkylionita · 29/05/2024 23:30

I have a theory that the stats are skewed because I think people are more likely to stay in an unhappy relationship with an AP.

Out of pride, not wanting to admit they made the 'wrong' choice, wanting to convince themselves it was worth all of the hurt etc. Partly because, when you're married and meet someone and fall for them and it's all exciting and new then you can tell yourself that it's ok because you're star-crossed lovers who just have to be together and you can't help it.

Ten years later when life has got boring again and you meet someone again, it's harder to ignore the fact that maybe it's caused by your own issues with attachment, emotional maturity etc. and not a one off because you met your soulmate. At that point you might as well stick with the safe and familiar partner you've got, because you realise that the unhappiness comes from within.

Obviously lots of people have affairs and go on to be happy together, but I think in a lot of cases it's not as happy as it looks. A lot of posters say they know couples who got together this way and are perfectly happy, but I imagine notsuchaniceguy's experiences of phone checking and insecurity etc. are not that uncommon. Your friends are not necessarily going to share the ins and outs of their relationship with you.

I don't think people who have affairs are evil psychopaths but I think often they're selfish and immature. The comments from OP like "we can't help how we feel" are a perfect example. Absolutely no responsibility taken for a series of conscious choices made every day over months that have caused immense hurt. Most people are not judging the feelings they are judging the actions.

I agree with this. I'm pretty certain that my ex-husband didn't imagine how things turned out, indeed he grudgingly admitted that nothing was going as "they" planned. Oh well.

Notsuchaniceguy · 30/05/2024 21:12

stinkylionita · 29/05/2024 23:30

I have a theory that the stats are skewed because I think people are more likely to stay in an unhappy relationship with an AP.

Out of pride, not wanting to admit they made the 'wrong' choice, wanting to convince themselves it was worth all of the hurt etc. Partly because, when you're married and meet someone and fall for them and it's all exciting and new then you can tell yourself that it's ok because you're star-crossed lovers who just have to be together and you can't help it.

Ten years later when life has got boring again and you meet someone again, it's harder to ignore the fact that maybe it's caused by your own issues with attachment, emotional maturity etc. and not a one off because you met your soulmate. At that point you might as well stick with the safe and familiar partner you've got, because you realise that the unhappiness comes from within.

Obviously lots of people have affairs and go on to be happy together, but I think in a lot of cases it's not as happy as it looks. A lot of posters say they know couples who got together this way and are perfectly happy, but I imagine notsuchaniceguy's experiences of phone checking and insecurity etc. are not that uncommon. Your friends are not necessarily going to share the ins and outs of their relationship with you.

I don't think people who have affairs are evil psychopaths but I think often they're selfish and immature. The comments from OP like "we can't help how we feel" are a perfect example. Absolutely no responsibility taken for a series of conscious choices made every day over months that have caused immense hurt. Most people are not judging the feelings they are judging the actions.

Selfish and immature describes me perfectly. And your post nails the rest of it.

KeepItGreasy · 31/05/2024 00:35

When you age you will realise you were either a good guy or a bad guy.

Don't blame anyone else.

It was your destiny.

Good luck, we're all counting on you.

Wantitalltogoaway · 31/05/2024 16:16

KeepItGreasy · 31/05/2024 00:35

When you age you will realise you were either a good guy or a bad guy.

Don't blame anyone else.

It was your destiny.

Good luck, we're all counting on you.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

People are complex. We all do good and bad things throughout our lives, and we all think good and bad thoughts. There’s no such thing as goodies and baddies. That’s for movies.

PenguinLord · 31/05/2024 18:39

Not sure what you expect to hear, you were screwing a married man, had an affair behind his wife's back, serve us some sorry excuses about him being unhapppy (boo fucking hoo, how original), you deserve what you have and if I were his parents or his ex Id not want anything to do with you, harsh but fair. For once a cheater is sleeping in the bed they made for themselves.

TheCryingTheBitchAndTheFloordrobe · 31/05/2024 19:13

My SF had an affair with my DM after my DF died. When they got married I didn't fancy their chances at all, as my DM was his fourth (!) wife, but they're still absolutely devoted to each other about 30 years later and everyone (including DC on both sides) is totally over the way they got together.

KeepItGreasy · 31/05/2024 19:21

Wantitalltogoaway · 31/05/2024 16:16

What a ridiculous thing to say.

People are complex. We all do good and bad things throughout our lives, and we all think good and bad thoughts. There’s no such thing as goodies and baddies. That’s for movies.

No more rediculous that thinking your actions don't have a cause and effect.

Honestly it really is that simple, good versus bad, much as many do not like the finality of that statement.

Don't screw married men, especially if they have young children, it's not very kind.

People are complex
You don't say, it's just an excuse for bad behaviour.

And there very much are goodies and baddies, ask any victim.

SunflowerTed · 31/05/2024 22:24

username098765 · 25/05/2024 19:21

Is just like to add we did not sleep together before he left his wife. I know that doesn't make it any better.

No it doesn’t if that’s even true which I doubt

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