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We had an affair

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username098765 · 25/05/2024 18:21

I know I will get a lot of hate for this which I know I deserve.
Several years ago I had a fling with a friend, we were both in bad places at the time and it was no more than that. 18 months ago we started having an affair, he was married. 12 months ago he left his wife and we have been together since. I know how awful this is and it's no excuse but he was massively unhappy. He has a young ds who I am not allowed to see - I understand why. His parents won't have anything to do with me don't want to hear anything about me - fair enough. I know it's incredibly unlikely but has anyone been in this situation before and things turned out ok? Obviously he'd like me to be part of ds life in time but I can't ever see it happening. We know we have done wrong and I don't need anyone telling me that. We can't help how we feel and it wasn't a decision we made lightly.

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HollyKnight · 25/05/2024 23:48

holybaloni · 25/05/2024 23:45

@HollyKnight if you're going to get on your high horse at least read the thread properly first. Op clearly said there was no sex until way after he parted ways with his ex. So the mucky little affair that you're so desperate to harp on about isn't accurate in this case.
Of course in an ideal world there would have been a clear definition between splitting and getting with someone else. But I suspect the op still would have been treated with the same contempt. It's often the way.
I'm of the opinion that nobody in this world is infallible. We're humans. Things happen.
It doesn't mean that the relationship is doomed or that the op is a terrible person. It isn't black and white.
But there are a lot of bitter women on this thread without the broadness of mind to understand this.

The OP says they got together 18 months ago. So they were having their emotional affair for 6 months before he left his wife for her. She even calls it an affair. Just because they didn't have sex doesn't make it any less of a betrayal.

HollyKnight · 25/05/2024 23:50

And I never said the OP is a terrible person. He is a terrible person though and because of his actions his family wants nothing to do with her and his ex will hate her.

Everintroverte · 25/05/2024 23:51

I suppose you need to work out what 'ok' looks like to you and have the discussion with your partner. I think it will always be difficult around the child, what is his relationship like with his dad? Is his dad still making an effort to spend lots of time with him? The ex may accept it in time and relent on contact,but then again she may not.

From my perspective, my ex cheated on me. My children have never accepted the OW, but, she acts like a child deliberately ignoring them if she does see them (says hello to everyone individually by name but not my kids). My ex-in laws are polite and civil but still have my photos up 6 years later.
The children spend 80% of their time with me and see me as the default parent, they are very upset at how their dad treated them when it all kicked off and choose to leave him out of most things.

Tristar15 · 25/05/2024 23:53

HollyKnight · 25/05/2024 23:43

High horse aka morals aka someone who was forced to go stay with her father and his affair partner until she was old enough to say no thanks.

But not everyone is you or will experience what you did in these circumstances. I’m sorry your life has been shaped by a bad experience but affairs happen and being bitter and hating on those who do it isn’t going to stop affairs from happening.

holybaloni · 25/05/2024 23:55

HollyKnight · 25/05/2024 23:50

And I never said the OP is a terrible person. He is a terrible person though and because of his actions his family wants nothing to do with her and his ex will hate her.

Regardless of whether the ex hates her, she is wrong to withhold the child. When the child is on its father's time he can introduce it to who he wants providing there's no safeguarding issues. She's clearly doing it out of spite and causing longer lasting issues for the child because of her own hurt.
FWIW I've been cheated on, I know the hurt it causes. But I also recognise that it's not as simple as all cheaters are bad people/untrustworthy/doomed/going to get their comeuppance/destined to cheat again. Life isn't that straightforward.

HollyKnight · 26/05/2024 00:01

Tristar15 · 25/05/2024 23:53

But not everyone is you or will experience what you did in these circumstances. I’m sorry your life has been shaped by a bad experience but affairs happen and being bitter and hating on those who do it isn’t going to stop affairs from happening.

Where is the hate? I don't hate my father or his ex-affair partner. I just have zero respect for him as a father and a person. Affairs don't just happen. They are choices.

I do not hate the OP either. But she's foolish if she thought this was going to be ok. This man didn't care how this was going to affect her. What this mode of bringing her into his life was going to mean for her. And he's still fine with it because at the end of the day he got his woman, his family won't abandon him, and he still gets to see his son. It's not going that well for the OP though.

HollyKnight · 26/05/2024 00:09

holybaloni · 25/05/2024 23:55

Regardless of whether the ex hates her, she is wrong to withhold the child. When the child is on its father's time he can introduce it to who he wants providing there's no safeguarding issues. She's clearly doing it out of spite and causing longer lasting issues for the child because of her own hurt.
FWIW I've been cheated on, I know the hurt it causes. But I also recognise that it's not as simple as all cheaters are bad people/untrustworthy/doomed/going to get their comeuppance/destined to cheat again. Life isn't that straightforward.

Again, I never said any of those things. Yes, she would be wrong to withhold the child from his father, but she's not doing that. He can take her to court if it's that important to him for his little child and OP to be together.

SammyScrounge · 26/05/2024 00:13

MaryFuckingFerguson · 25/05/2024 19:04

Not me, but a very good friend of mine. In his case, everyone accepted it over time and he is still very happily married to the woman he had an affair with. After being persona non grata for the first few months, she has gone on to forge a very close bond with his daughter from his first marriage.

Edited

Clever OW-She must have worked hard to form the close.bond with her new partner's daughter.Another knife in mother's back.

Wishingitwaswinter · 26/05/2024 01:12

I actually know someone who had an affair and he left his wife and daughter for her. He then had 2 kids and got married but he has continued to have an affair for a whole 20 years now .....with his ex wife. Not sure why he even left.
I think if he's had an affair behind his wife's back....there's every chance he will cheat on you too.

SparklyPinkRobin · 26/05/2024 01:50

Just wanted to share my experience. Boyfriend of 10 yrs had a 5 month affair with another woman (a friend of ours). He told her we were over (we live apart). He juggled us both for 5
months until I got suspicious and confronted her. Basically I saw her off and made sure she was gone. I think he was in love with her and too much of a coward to end it with me. I couldn’t bear walking away and leaving them to it. She has definitely gone and me and him are still together. He will not discuss the massive betrail. Why can’t I just leave him?

SparklyPinkRobin · 26/05/2024 01:59

Just to add to this thread, I can confirm that getting in a relationship by cheating never ends well. Myself and my partner were both married and both cheated. I thought he was my soul mate after a very unhappy marriage. After 10 years he is now cheating on me in exactly the same way as he did with his ex wife. Yes, I deserved that and feel stupid for thinking we were special. The messages he sends to OW are identical to the ones he used to send to me back then. It’s a bitter pill to swallow. I love him passionately but I think he got bored and fancied more excitement. I’ll never ever entertain cheating ever again.

Endoftheroad12345 · 26/05/2024 03:08

I was always very black and white about cheating being an absolute dealbreaker, my exH was very adamant about it because his father was a rampant cheater. Ironic really, because he had no issue subjecting me to the most horrific emotional abuse, hitting me, pushing me, smashing up our house in front of the kids etc etc .

We were married for nearly 14 years, together 21 in total. I ended the marriage, finally, in November 2022. I had been easing the prospect of separation for months as his abusive behaviour escalated in 2022 but (true to form) was dismissed, mocked, ignored.

One of the catalysts for me finally making the decision to end it was a message out of the blue from a high school boyfriend I hadn’t seen in 24 years. Completely coincidentally we happened to both be in the same European city for work 6 weeks later and went out for dinner.

It - and he - was so lovely, he looked at me with such warmth and fondness and I felt at home and at peace with him immediately. I got on the Eurostar to London the next day and cried all the way, thinking about the way that exH had never looked at me like that in 21 years and thinking I’d never experience that again.

That meeting gave me the courage I needed to end it with exH (triggering months of horrific abuse). I stayed in touch with high school boyfriend and 6 months later flew to meet him and we’ve been a couple ever since - our 1 year anniversary was yesterday. We are so, so happy.

Did I cheat? I don’t think so. Nothing physical happened until 6 months after my marriage ended.But I certainly formed an emotional connection with someone before my marriage was over. I told abusive ex I was having dinner with an old high school boyfriend when I did it, I had no intention of doing anything to be ashamed of and I didn’t.

ExH certainly thinks I did and I can understand that, the timing certainly looks suspicious, I’d probably think the same. I’m glad I didn’t, because knowing me, being a tortured lapsed Catholic, I would have found the guilt unbearable and it would have taken the shine off the start of my wonderful relationship with my amazing DP.

But if it was friend in my situation and they had started a relationship while still married, I would have told them to go easy on themselves. I always thought that cheating was the worst thing in the world and yes I still think that it must be horrific to be the blames partner and have your world implode when your partner is unfaithful. But I also know now that no one knows what someone else’s relationship is like on the inside, life is complex and messy and it is human and forgiveable to look for love when you are being emotionally starved.

My exH now has a new girlfriend and while I think he’s a prick she seems fine and I try to make sure the kids never feel any stress about spending time with her - hopefully in time that will happened for you @username098765

Jigsawa · 26/05/2024 08:30

PP getting so angry about "bitter ex wives", "MN is OTT on affairs" "it's not murder" etc.

I think we can all agree that affairs aren't great for anyone involved. It may work out, it may not but it would always be 100% better to end the original relationship first before starting another one.

The disgust people have for cheating supports that. Personally, I'd rather we keep that aversion for as long as we can.

And no, I've never been cheated on or been the OW.

OP - it's a difficult road. I agree with PP pointing out that you've ended up in the worst position out of you and your now DP. Have you spoken to him about it? Are there things he could be doing to help you feel more comfortable? Especially with his parents perhaps?

Livinghappy · 26/05/2024 09:33

Op, have a look at the step parents board. Signing up for step parenting isn't an easy path in life for most women. If you add the affects of an affair (so layers of hurt) and subsequent hostility from children and wider family then your relationship will need to withstand high levels of pressure and conflicts.

Both you and your partner will need to have excellent communication, tolerance, understanding and make sacrifices to keep your relationship on track (as well his relationship with ex, his child and family).

I was involved with a man (not the OW) who had a high conflict relationship with his ex and bailed because it wasn't the life I wanted. Had I been much younger I might have been more idealistic and thought "love conquers all".

holybaloni · 26/05/2024 09:46

SparklyPinkRobin · 26/05/2024 01:59

Just to add to this thread, I can confirm that getting in a relationship by cheating never ends well. Myself and my partner were both married and both cheated. I thought he was my soul mate after a very unhappy marriage. After 10 years he is now cheating on me in exactly the same way as he did with his ex wife. Yes, I deserved that and feel stupid for thinking we were special. The messages he sends to OW are identical to the ones he used to send to me back then. It’s a bitter pill to swallow. I love him passionately but I think he got bored and fancied more excitement. I’ll never ever entertain cheating ever again.

Sorry this happened to you but it's just your experience. It's silly to say it 'never' ends well just because it happened to end up that way for you. I know a couple who got together in less than ideal circumstances, both very unhappy with other people etc. Yeah there was some overlap but now they are incredibly happily married with dc of their own. Each situation is different. It's the implication that if you've ever faltered you're somehow doomed and destined to get cheated on that I find quite childish. Life isn't like that. Sure some people are prolific cheaters, many aren't.

ExHrefusingtodivorce · 26/05/2024 12:35

@CulturalNomad

@*Elasticatedtrousers I agree that as the one being cheated on I would find it horrendous and infuriating.

But my point is that to the child involved the feelings will be the same no matter the reason for the split. But that's assuming the adults exercise self restraint, resist the temptation to use the child as an instrument of revenge, and put the child's well-being above their own wants and desires.*

This is so wrong, especially if the children are over 8 and know what has happened. My children won't have anything to do with their dad as he is with the AP. They feel ashamed of him and have a lot of anger towards him. His affair abruptly ending our marriage/their family life has caused them to need counselling and trauma that is still evident over 2 years later.

Dogslife4 · 26/05/2024 12:51

Both myself and my partner were married with children when we met and started an affair. We are still together but have not yet met each others kids. I don’t think I’ll ever get over regret of the affair. I was suicidal at afterwards and admitted into hospital. However, a few years down the line I can see that we were both in controlling, toxic marriages that we were desperate to get out of but didn’t know how. My partner and I are very happy together, I know what true love is with him. I’d say he is almost perfect, despite what happened. Who knows what the future holds? I never thought it would pan out like this.

MILhere · 26/05/2024 13:08

So the alternative is that the father stays in an unhappy relationship with the mother purely for the sake of the child? Because nothing can go wrong there can it...

The alternative is trying your upmost to work out issues. Sleeping with, and bonding with, other women is not that. Completely agree with whoever described affair as a coping methods for the emotionally immature.

Zero excuse.

MaryFuckingFerguson · 26/05/2024 13:18

Just to add to this thread, I can confirm that getting in a relationship by cheating never ends well.

Much as people might like to say this, it simply isn’t true. Some relationships will fail, and some won’t. As I said upthread, a friend of ours cheated and has gone onto have an extremely happy marriage with the woman he had an affair with. Furthermore, there is now no animosity between him and his ex-wife.

When I was 18, I had a boyfriend whose dad had an affair. He’s now been happily married to that other woman for 30 years.

Infidelity is not the death knell people think it is.

MILhere · 26/05/2024 13:21

Dogslife4 · 26/05/2024 12:51

Both myself and my partner were married with children when we met and started an affair. We are still together but have not yet met each others kids. I don’t think I’ll ever get over regret of the affair. I was suicidal at afterwards and admitted into hospital. However, a few years down the line I can see that we were both in controlling, toxic marriages that we were desperate to get out of but didn’t know how. My partner and I are very happy together, I know what true love is with him. I’d say he is almost perfect, despite what happened. Who knows what the future holds? I never thought it would pan out like this.

Interesting that you were both the victims of controlling and toxic partners.

Not entirely buying it. If you suspected your partner was cheating and changing their behaviour, and worried they'd leave you (as you both eventually did) that may manifest in 'controlling' behaviour.

..Which you both then used as an excuse.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 26/05/2024 13:27

You haven't slaughtered a load of babies, you've fallen in love. The extreme hate for people who have affairs on here is one thing I quite dislike about this site (other things I like obviously else I wouldn't be here)

Probably because a lot of posters on here have been on the receiving end of the behaviour you dismiss so airily. In my case it was an OW who deliberately set out to break us up and despite two years of my trying, she succeeded. The pain they caused was indescribable, and I lost my home, my ILs (who I got on with very well) and a lot of people I'd thought of as friends.

But they 'fell in love,' so I guess that makes it all OK in your world.

Dogslife4 · 26/05/2024 13:40

MILhere · 26/05/2024 13:21

Interesting that you were both the victims of controlling and toxic partners.

Not entirely buying it. If you suspected your partner was cheating and changing their behaviour, and worried they'd leave you (as you both eventually did) that may manifest in 'controlling' behaviour.

..Which you both then used as an excuse.

Interesting that you literally know zero about my life or experience but have decided I must by lying to suit your viewpoint🤷🏼‍♀️

my husbands controlling behaviour started years beforehand, but I couldn’t see it understand it.

MILhere · 26/05/2024 13:49

@Dogslife4 don't post if you don't want people to comment, hun. I wasn't targeting you, just find it "interesting" that you were both in controlling and toxic relationships.

And "interesting" that you were also cheating. It kind of puts another spin on it 😇

Clakeface · 26/05/2024 13:56

MILhere · 26/05/2024 13:49

@Dogslife4 don't post if you don't want people to comment, hun. I wasn't targeting you, just find it "interesting" that you were both in controlling and toxic relationships.

And "interesting" that you were also cheating. It kind of puts another spin on it 😇

I’m glad you find my life interesting, that’s wonderful. I posted to offer op my experience, so frankly I don’t care if a stranger on the internet buys it or not☺️

Notsuchaniceguy · 26/05/2024 14:04

I left my wife and two young children for a colleague with two young children. We had an emotional affair and I told my wife about it and separated and it became physical. I was selfish, emotionally immature and then some, full of self pity because my childhood had been shite.

We moved in together straight away and the kids began staying over straight away as well. They are all mid/late twenties now. I'd say two of the four are doing OK, one not so much and my daughter is badly scarred. None of them express our affair and subsequent marriage as the cause of their trauma but I'd bet my life that it is a huge part. If we'd managed the children being with us better would things have been different for them? Maybe, maybe not. If we'd not had an affair then of course yes.

My AP was incredibly jealous from the day our new front door closed. My ex wife was called a weirdo, freak and so on (not in front of kids, even then I would not have stood for that). I was interrogated every time I had contact with her, not allowed to go into her house to collect kids. My phone was requested for checking every week. After all, she knew I had cheated and moreover had cheated herself before. Affair with a married older colleague when she was in her 20s and most of her prior relationships only ended when she'd found someone else.

We are still married 20 years on. It has been grim. In the end I confirmed her fears when very drunk as I kissed a friend. I told her straight away, I think as I was hoping it would end the toxic mess but it didn't and I was too thick/afraid/immature to just end it.

I was ashamed of the affair from the off but too spineless to end it and so doubled down to try to show the world and myself it was worth it. My wife has rewritten history to say she had told her husband the marriage was dead so her remaining married to him in a home he mainly paid for until she found someone else was fine. So I am the cheater and she never has cheated once (the previous affair she told me about cannot be mentioned. I tried once in our marriage counselling, it did not go well).

AP's family hated me and her for a long time, her ex husband was invited to celebrations in her family not me or her. We go now but it's just a thin veneer of civility over the distaste. My children still aren't invited at all. My tiny family were OK with her and her kids.

I lost most of my friends and my AP didn't really have many anyway. I never saw any of my ex wife's family again.

These days, when asked out of earshot of my wife, how we met, I tell people the unvarnished truth. Through a sordid affair. They then have the choice to work with me/befriend me, keep mw at arms length or tell me to fuck off. And at least I don't have the shame of having made some lie up to add to the shame of the affair.

I did, eventually, grow up. With a lot of hard challenging therapy and reading I learned to like myself more which makes it easier to be less selfish and more open to others' suffering. I have apologised to my children with no expectations that they forgive me. I try to be a better man. My marriage is generally grim, sexless (her choice) and dull, but unless I can leave my wife financially comfortable then I stay. She wants me to stay to pay for house, netflix etc. It's like her last marriage all over again. She watches a fuck load of romantic comedies and American hospital series and points out how unromantic I am compared to the characters. If I try to bold hands I'm pestering for sex, if I don't I'm a cold loveless man. I do the life admin, the housework and imagine myself living on my own.

I left my ex wife everything financially, house, all savings including mine, all her pensions which were far bigger than mine as I'd been a SAHD until just prior to the affair. I knew then that if I hadn't AP and I would have lost anything we had taken. She didn't have anything from her ex husband as he retained custody and their house. Hence as we started from scratch in our late 30s we don't have much now. Hence wife's reluctance for me to go.

So OP, maybe your journey will be better. Maybe not. I don't know the stats, I'm not sure anyone does, not in depth, but I'd be willing to bet my shitty little mortgaged house that most relationships that begin as affairs, whether they last or not, are overall less happy than those that begin without cheating. You may not be an awful person, not all cheaters are sociopaths, narcissists or lack any good qualities. You have done an awful thing. How you make the best of it for everyone exposed to the fallout is up to you. If I'd had a spine after I confessed the affair I'd have said to my wife that I had removed the AP from my life, given my wife the choice of what she did next without any attempt to persuade her to one course or another and abided by her decision. If I'd grown a spine a little later on I'd have never married AP, left her and focussed on being a single dad to my kids.