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Really need an outside perspective please.

459 replies

AmberExpert · 04/05/2024 05:56

First time poster, long-time lurker. Really need some impartial advice as I've no one I can speak too IRL. it's going to be a long one, so you might need a coffee and some biscuits....

Me and my OH are in our early 50s, not married. He's very friendly, outgoing and would do anything for anyone. There's a lady who lives near us who is a similar age to us, widowed three or four years ago. Recently she's started to regularly ask my OH to do jobs for her, putting pictures up, odd jobs around the house, doing gardening, walking her dog, the list goes on. It feels a bit like she says jump and he says how high.... She texts him regularly and will also send other non related texts such as photos of places she's at or events that she's attending or just general how are you texts. She sent a text last weekend saying 'Happy friday' with a picture of a walk she was on. He has recently been admitted to hospital for a few days and she has been texting to see how he is, sending him get well wishes etc. I saw her briefly during this time and was suprised at her level of concern for him.

When he's doing these jobs they always end in a coffee and a chat and he can be there a while. She is fit and active for her age, and I suspect she can do some of these jobs herself. She sometimes offers to pay him but not very often and will sometimes give him a bottle of wine. One of our neighbours commented recently that it's a good job I'm not a jealous person as he spends such a lot of time at her house!

I know her reasonably well, we've got each others mobile number, but she never texts me about anything, its always my OH. He will sometimes ask me to join him when he goes round, sometimes I go, but not often. I don't feel particularly comfortable around her, I'm not sure why, it's unusual for me to be like this.

I have voiced my concerns that she is becoming more 'needy' for want of a better word, and I feel uncomfortable about the amount of time he spends around there, as this is increasing to 3 or 4 times a week. He has told me that he doesn't fancy he's happy to help her, she's a good friend and neighbour and that I'm being paranoid.

Sometimes we can have a rational conversation about this, other times he blows up at me and can get very angry at me and accuses me of not trusting him. I do trust him, but I find the texting and requests for help excessive.

I'm not sure what to think if I'm honest, my gut feeling is that there is something off, I think she likes to have him doing all this for her, she says things like I'm lucky to have a man who can. And if I'm honest I think my OH likes the attention from her.

I've asked if he'll perhaps back off a bit, but he says he's not doing anything wrong and he'll continue to help her. I feel a bit like he's not really considering my feelings, but then I think am I being unreasonable, he's only helping a neighbour?

Please could you give me your honest opinions and if I just need to accept its a friendship and I've nothing to worry about.

thank you if you got this far, sorry its so long.

OP posts:
3luckystars · 04/05/2024 09:19

Be strong !

TealSapphire · 04/05/2024 09:21

I'd be tempted every time he's out to get a man over to do some jobs for you. Even if it's someone you pay. Have a cuppa and a chat afterwards and pay absolutely no attention to your partners comings and goings.

festivallove · 04/05/2024 09:27

I'm sure I've read this exact post before

AliceOlive · 04/05/2024 09:29

Oh my goodness you are not being unreasonable at all. Every single woman knows it’s not okay to do this. She knows exactly what she’s doing.

He is showing no respect for you. The fact that it makes you uncomfortable should be his primary concern. So he may have been innocent at first but at this point he’s gaslighting you.

Takenoprisoner · 04/05/2024 09:32

Noseybookworm · 04/05/2024 09:04

Trust your gut on this one, he is disregarding your feelings and prioritising his 'friendship' with another woman over his relationship with you! He would definitely not like it if you were behaving like this with another man. He is taking the piss and frankly I wouldn't be putting up with it and neither should you. You can tell him you've had enough. He can choose her or you - then you will know where you stand.

all of this.

I would withdraw from the relationship as much as possible while living together because actually this relationship is over. He has no respect for you. They are already having an emotional affair under your nose and you are tolerating it
stop arguing with him. Stop caring and plan how to leave. You cannot come back from this level of disrespect.

Shetlands · 04/05/2024 09:36

I bet he'd go bananas if you were at another man's house 3 or 4 times a week!

This woman is definitely angling for more than a bit of DIY and he's supremely flattered by it but that doesn't excuse his lack of respect for your feelings.

I think you will have to tell him that you won't tolerate it any more and if he goes there again without you, your relationship is over.

Sceptical123 · 04/05/2024 09:39

TealSapphire · 04/05/2024 09:21

I'd be tempted every time he's out to get a man over to do some jobs for you. Even if it's someone you pay. Have a cuppa and a chat afterwards and pay absolutely no attention to your partners comings and goings.

I think this is a very good idea. First make a list of things you’d like your husband to do. Every few days ask him to do something from the list. If he gets irritated at the regularity - “But you don’t react this way when x asks you”. Or if the woman rings or you see her - “Sorry x, y is working his way through OUR jobs at the moment. That’s alright, isn’t it?” You don’t have to be confrontational, say it with a smile.

When he inevitably ignores your requests (he may not) then is the time to call a handyman - or better yet - a male
friend/acquaintance! Preferably single as you don’t want to repeat the behaviour of the awful bloody cow who has her claws in your husband - perhaps you could alternate ‘helpers’.

I can guarantee your OH’s nose will be put severely out of joint when it transpires that you’re having to seek help elsewhere as he is too preoccupied helping another woman to attend to his own DIY projects!

plasq · 04/05/2024 09:45

Be brazen and go round to speak to her.
Let her know that you are finding her constant demands for his time intrusive and that neighbours have also commented on it. Tell her to find someone else for all these odd jobs.

Takenoprisoner · 04/05/2024 09:48

plasq · 04/05/2024 09:45

Be brazen and go round to speak to her.
Let her know that you are finding her constant demands for his time intrusive and that neighbours have also commented on it. Tell her to find someone else for all these odd jobs.

I would also do this if you want to make a last ditch to save your relationship. She sees you as weak and passive. You could tell her it's taking far too much time away from your partner, you don't get to spend much time together of an evening, and shouldn't women be able to do these jobs themselves or pay a handyman for them?

Diycheater · 04/05/2024 09:49

You may instinctively want to save your relationship but now is the time to really evaluate if it’s even worth saving. Is this really the first time he’s been so disrespectful or dismissive? Is this really the first time you’ve been passive while he’s bulldozed over your feelings?

I don’t think this is the first time he’s blown up at you is it.

Wisterical · 04/05/2024 09:52

I wouldn't put up with this.

Stop trying to get him to understand how you feel, he either doesn't want to understand or maybe he can't. But you can tell him that he has to pay attention to how his behaviour is affecting you. And you need to decide what the consequence will be if he continues to ignore your feelings.

Ladyprehensile · 04/05/2024 09:54

I’d very quietly be getting legal advice, getting paperwork together and I’d go cold and calculating. You can feel smug about having a card or two up your sleeve that he doesn’t know about.

(I did this one time. Found a house to buy and everything.)

You’ve put up with it long enough. Information about what’s possible will empower you. You might not have to use if, but go get it anyway.

Then when or if the 💩 hits the fan you are in a better position to move forward.

May the force be with you. Good luck.

Velvian · 04/05/2024 10:01

I think realistically the only option (other than putting up with it) is taking steps to end the relationship. You don't have to put with it and, unfortunately, that seems to mean ending your relationship.

BrightNewLife · 04/05/2024 10:04

@AmberExpert Also chiming in to be on your side!

I post a lot about toxic relationships and I wonder if your husband has been like this before? EG not necessarily the same scenario but if he has form for diminishing your feelings and effectively gaslighting you, and saying it’s all in your head?

I would be surprised if he’s been lovely all your marriage and only now is he being dismissive of your needs and concerns.

If it’s any help, to indicate how you’re really not overreacting, the marriage psychologist Jon Gottman says in a relationship there are “4 horsemen of the apocalypse” that can spell the end, and these are Criticism, Contempt, Defensiveness and Stonewalling. These are really hard to overcome and can be the end of a marriage if they’re not addressed. (You can look up the Gottman Institute).

Your husband is showing defensiveness (I’m not doing anything wrong, I’m just being neighbourly) and contempt (It’s all in your head, get a grip). If he’s shutting you down or sulking, he’s also stonewalling you.

I would definitely sit him down and point out how much it is distressing you, as, to use a Mumsnet phrase, He needs to give his head a wobble!

Yoe · 04/05/2024 10:11

Tbh she is a user getting work done for nothing . Best thing to do now is when you see her let her know as he has been in hospital your concerned for his health and odd jobs are out .
you need to sit him down and get the point across you are been used .
I don’t think he is doing anything wrong helping out but the issue is you don’t trust the other parties intentions and it is creating a wedge .

tell him your concerns and ask him to listen to them

Type2whattodo · 04/05/2024 10:23

Is there anyone he was concerned about? That you stopped seeing or being friends with for him?
Cause I'd be inviting that person around every single time he went to her house. Or leaving the house also and breezing saying "oh, I'll just pop to the pub with x person whilst you're with her,let me know when you're back and I'll come back too".
Make it so he doesn't want to leave to go help her as he doesn't like what you're doing at the time

Sceptical123 · 04/05/2024 10:43

Men like this make me so sick bc it’s a racing veer if you were spending time with a widower who you felt sorry for and was lonely your husband would not be tolerating it. One of the biggest factors being how it would make HIM look to other ppl. It astounds me how ppl like this choose not to see it from the other persons perspective - “But this is different, (bc) this is ME doing it” 😒😤

MagpiePi · 04/05/2024 11:43

What would his reaction be if you told him that there is a rumour going round that he’s having an affair?

BlastedPimples · 04/05/2024 11:58

You've tired talking to him about it. He refuses to try and make things better. You are not his priority anymore.

Absolutely no way should you put up with this anymore. If at all.

I'd go grey rock. Fade from view. Be cold and distant.

Start making plans to end the relationship because he's showing you such disrespect.

It's not the ow's problem. It's your partner that is the issue here.

Bestyearever2024 · 04/05/2024 12:07

You are not his priority

She is

I'm afraid that you either put up with this or kick him out

ClickClickety · 04/05/2024 12:17

He's leading her on. She needs to get her independence back.

TheIceQween · 04/05/2024 12:26

I think with any marriage, if there’s a particular thing that’s hurting one or the other, whatever jt may be, then that person that’s causing the issue should look to resolving it.

It doesn’t matter what it is, it matters that it’s hurting you and he’s not doing anything to up-ease you or change the situation to help.

❤️

LifeExperience · 04/05/2024 12:52

He knows it upsets you but continues to do it anyway. Huge red flag that she's more important to him than you are. Sorry, OP.

LookItsMeAgain · 04/05/2024 13:23

Doesn't matter if he doesn't fancy her, it's clear from the volume of requests that she fancies him. She is dealing with a bereavement and she is finding some company with your DH but how much company...well it's escalating.

He needs to make himself less available to her & she needs to start being more self sufficient for the small stuff and getting tradespeople in for the larger stuff.

LookItsMeAgain · 04/05/2024 13:26

@AmberExpert you wrote: "If the boot was on the other foot and I was doing something that made him uncomfortable I'd definitely back off, stop, be mindful of his feelings. It's the fact he won't consider this that hurts me."

Do you feel up to testing that theory? Do you have a person in your life that could be calling on your time so frequently that you're away from your family (to the same degree that he is) and be able to claim that it's completely platonic to your DH at the end of the day?
Would he even be aware of what you're doing - would you dress differently (does your DH dress differently for her?) or be different around this other person for a while?

It sure would make for interesting times.

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