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Really need an outside perspective please.

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AmberExpert · 04/05/2024 05:56

First time poster, long-time lurker. Really need some impartial advice as I've no one I can speak too IRL. it's going to be a long one, so you might need a coffee and some biscuits....

Me and my OH are in our early 50s, not married. He's very friendly, outgoing and would do anything for anyone. There's a lady who lives near us who is a similar age to us, widowed three or four years ago. Recently she's started to regularly ask my OH to do jobs for her, putting pictures up, odd jobs around the house, doing gardening, walking her dog, the list goes on. It feels a bit like she says jump and he says how high.... She texts him regularly and will also send other non related texts such as photos of places she's at or events that she's attending or just general how are you texts. She sent a text last weekend saying 'Happy friday' with a picture of a walk she was on. He has recently been admitted to hospital for a few days and she has been texting to see how he is, sending him get well wishes etc. I saw her briefly during this time and was suprised at her level of concern for him.

When he's doing these jobs they always end in a coffee and a chat and he can be there a while. She is fit and active for her age, and I suspect she can do some of these jobs herself. She sometimes offers to pay him but not very often and will sometimes give him a bottle of wine. One of our neighbours commented recently that it's a good job I'm not a jealous person as he spends such a lot of time at her house!

I know her reasonably well, we've got each others mobile number, but she never texts me about anything, its always my OH. He will sometimes ask me to join him when he goes round, sometimes I go, but not often. I don't feel particularly comfortable around her, I'm not sure why, it's unusual for me to be like this.

I have voiced my concerns that she is becoming more 'needy' for want of a better word, and I feel uncomfortable about the amount of time he spends around there, as this is increasing to 3 or 4 times a week. He has told me that he doesn't fancy he's happy to help her, she's a good friend and neighbour and that I'm being paranoid.

Sometimes we can have a rational conversation about this, other times he blows up at me and can get very angry at me and accuses me of not trusting him. I do trust him, but I find the texting and requests for help excessive.

I'm not sure what to think if I'm honest, my gut feeling is that there is something off, I think she likes to have him doing all this for her, she says things like I'm lucky to have a man who can. And if I'm honest I think my OH likes the attention from her.

I've asked if he'll perhaps back off a bit, but he says he's not doing anything wrong and he'll continue to help her. I feel a bit like he's not really considering my feelings, but then I think am I being unreasonable, he's only helping a neighbour?

Please could you give me your honest opinions and if I just need to accept its a friendship and I've nothing to worry about.

thank you if you got this far, sorry its so long.

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Jhgdsd · 03/09/2024 08:41

Wonderful update, absolutely delighted for you.
Imagine if when you left those short months ago feeling so disappointed, if you had known by September that you would have a lovely new job and a new house to be excited about?

It is inspiring to read this.
Life is always changing and moving forward when you find the energy to help make it happen.
Not easy at all, but so rewarding.
Keep in touch, it is lovely to hear from you.

BlastedPimples · 03/09/2024 09:58

Wow!

I'm so glad to read this.

You're clearly very savvy and now in a strong position to have been able to buy a house. And to sort yourself out with a new job. What an amazing outcome.

You will meet other men - no doubt about that - but I hope your security and sense of self belief never leaves you again. You are amazing.

And damn right your ex misses you. He knows he has lost a woman of quality. But let's say you went back to him, he would soon forget that. Idiot that he is.

Fizzib · 03/09/2024 10:39

Ah so lovely to glad that you’ve had good friends to support you through this and you’ve been able to adapt to sofa surfing in the meantime. Well done on buying a house and everything else you’ve achieved - what a brilliant update!

If you ever hear he is missing you again just disregard it completely. That’s something that narcissists often do to try and check if they can reel people back in to play with and also to make themselves look good!

If you meet a man in the future who turns out to be everything you want that’s great, but if you’re happy alone that is also wonderful - society really does a number on us but a man is not necessary for a happy and successful life. So don’t ever feel like you have to go back to dating if that’s not what you desire.

AmberExpert · 03/09/2024 11:07

beenwhereyouare · 03/09/2024 02:33

Amber, you're amazing! You've come so far in just 4 months, and the steps you're taking to move forward are brilliant. Throwing away his number WAS monumental. Keep going; you'll be through to the other side before you know it.

Thank you so much, I had a wobble when I threw away his number, but I KNOW it was the right thing to do. I wish I didn't give him as much headspace as I still do, but hopefully that'll reduce in time. Keeping busy at work definitely helps!

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AmberExpert · 03/09/2024 11:12

Duh · 03/09/2024 06:17

Congratulations on the new home and new job! You are doing brilliantly.

Thank you so much, seems incredible how far I've come in such a short space of time. I still can't quite believe it sometimes.

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AmberExpert · 03/09/2024 11:14

Usernamechange1234 · 03/09/2024 06:25

This is all fantastic news! Well done for moving on and good luck with your new home!

Thanks so much, be a while before I get the keys, but I'm so excited!

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AmberExpert · 03/09/2024 11:16

Fannyfiggs · 03/09/2024 06:54

Congrats on the new job, home and life. You are bloody amazing!

You just never know when an unexpected fork in the road leads to your destiny ❤️

Thank you ❤️ I have days when I feel like I've climbed a mountain and conquered it, other days not so much, but I'm taking the good times when I can.

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AmberExpert · 03/09/2024 11:19

Jhgdsd · 03/09/2024 08:41

Wonderful update, absolutely delighted for you.
Imagine if when you left those short months ago feeling so disappointed, if you had known by September that you would have a lovely new job and a new house to be excited about?

It is inspiring to read this.
Life is always changing and moving forward when you find the energy to help make it happen.
Not easy at all, but so rewarding.
Keep in touch, it is lovely to hear from you.

Thank you for your support. I know, who would have thought a few months ago I'd be where I am now, not me that's for sure. This thread certainly helped me with the perspective I needed and I don't know if I'd be where I am now without it x

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AmberExpert · 03/09/2024 11:22

BlastedPimples · 03/09/2024 09:58

Wow!

I'm so glad to read this.

You're clearly very savvy and now in a strong position to have been able to buy a house. And to sort yourself out with a new job. What an amazing outcome.

You will meet other men - no doubt about that - but I hope your security and sense of self belief never leaves you again. You are amazing.

And damn right your ex misses you. He knows he has lost a woman of quality. But let's say you went back to him, he would soon forget that. Idiot that he is.

Ahhh thank you, thsts kind of you to say. I'm not sure he misses me, I think he was probably just saying that because he thought that's what they wanted to hear, or were expecting to hear to make him look good. And maybe he thought it would get back to me. I don't know, and I know I shouldn't care x

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AmberExpert · 03/09/2024 11:25

Fizzib · 03/09/2024 10:39

Ah so lovely to glad that you’ve had good friends to support you through this and you’ve been able to adapt to sofa surfing in the meantime. Well done on buying a house and everything else you’ve achieved - what a brilliant update!

If you ever hear he is missing you again just disregard it completely. That’s something that narcissists often do to try and check if they can reel people back in to play with and also to make themselves look good!

If you meet a man in the future who turns out to be everything you want that’s great, but if you’re happy alone that is also wonderful - society really does a number on us but a man is not necessary for a happy and successful life. So don’t ever feel like you have to go back to dating if that’s not what you desire.

Thank you 😍
I definitely am not even thinking about dating or meeting anyone, my friends keep saying to get on the dating apps but I can't think of anything worse!! Maybe in time, but I think it'll be a long time.

The more I read about narcissism the more he furs the bill. Its so scary how much he played on my emotions and the text book script he followed.

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Beechwooder · 03/09/2024 12:49

I haven’t read the last six pages of this thread but a number of things have stood out to me:

  • he was very keen to marry you
  • he “joked” about marrying you for your pension
  • that your neighbour displays wealth
  • his work ethic
  • his transactional approach to relationships and speedy financial resolution with you

Imo he is a MOAMFoM - man on a mission for money. Nothing he has done is a negative reflection on you.

He doesn’t care about your neighbour, he doesn’t care about you or anyone else hence my agreement with your comment:
I'm not sure he misses me, I think he was probably just saying that because he thought that's what they wanted to hear, or were expecting to hear to make him look good.

You have wisely passed the toxic parcel to the neighbour and should gleefully look forward to your new promising future. Best of luck OP!

Jhgdsd · 03/09/2024 13:43

Read up on "together but apart".
It seems to me the best of both worlds for mature relationships.
I have a number of friends in their 50's that enjoy this dynamic.
They have their gorgeous little homes and gardens and they have partners that they see who live in their own homes too.

They have the independence to see friends and entertain, have friends to visit, do house exchanges for a month at a time to exotic places, and 100% suit themselves.
It looks positively idyllic 😂, and boy are they happy with their worlds.
All the joy and non of the sacrifices.

Fizzib · 03/09/2024 14:34

AmberExpert · 03/09/2024 11:25

Thank you 😍
I definitely am not even thinking about dating or meeting anyone, my friends keep saying to get on the dating apps but I can't think of anything worse!! Maybe in time, but I think it'll be a long time.

The more I read about narcissism the more he furs the bill. Its so scary how much he played on my emotions and the text book script he followed.

Do your friends who are suggesting that have experience of dating apps? 😬I’m sure they mean well but apps aren’t usually a great place for a woman recently burnt /still healing from a toxic relationship.

Anyway sounds like you have a very sensible approach - it’s definitely more than okay to just enjoy your newfound freedom and home to begin with and then see what the future brings!

And yeah it is scary how alike men like that are, and the ‘script’ they follow. What a blessing in disguise for you that this woman distracted him from his mission to use and abuse you.

Beechwooder · 03/09/2024 14:38

I totally agree with @Fizzib - he was on a mission to use and abuse you hence his cold, mercenary attitude which has caused you confusion you as you loved him.

AmberExpert · 03/09/2024 17:21

Beechwooder · 03/09/2024 12:49

I haven’t read the last six pages of this thread but a number of things have stood out to me:

  • he was very keen to marry you
  • he “joked” about marrying you for your pension
  • that your neighbour displays wealth
  • his work ethic
  • his transactional approach to relationships and speedy financial resolution with you

Imo he is a MOAMFoM - man on a mission for money. Nothing he has done is a negative reflection on you.

He doesn’t care about your neighbour, he doesn’t care about you or anyone else hence my agreement with your comment:
I'm not sure he misses me, I think he was probably just saying that because he thought that's what they wanted to hear, or were expecting to hear to make him look good.

You have wisely passed the toxic parcel to the neighbour and should gleefully look forward to your new promising future. Best of luck OP!

Oh I like the analogy of passing a toxic parcel to someone else, I will use that one again!

It’s funny you mention money, when we first got together he sold his house and sold his business so was well off, much more so than I was. But we had very different ideas on spending, he spent like it was going out of fashion where I was much more careful. I wouldn’t say he was running out of money but his funds were rapidly depleting. He used to say I was the most generous partner he’d had, and I felt like I had to live up to that. And often paid over and above what we had agreed. I had started to rein this in a bit as I had started to feel used, and that there was a lot of inequality in our spending.

I’m just glad I’m out the other side and I’ve passed my toxic parcel on 🥰

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AmberExpert · 03/09/2024 17:52

Jhgdsd · 03/09/2024 13:43

Read up on "together but apart".
It seems to me the best of both worlds for mature relationships.
I have a number of friends in their 50's that enjoy this dynamic.
They have their gorgeous little homes and gardens and they have partners that they see who live in their own homes too.

They have the independence to see friends and entertain, have friends to visit, do house exchanges for a month at a time to exotic places, and 100% suit themselves.
It looks positively idyllic 😂, and boy are they happy with their worlds.
All the joy and non of the sacrifices.

Ohhh that does sound idyllic, maybe in another 10 years time …….😁

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Beechwooder · 03/09/2024 18:58

On the money am I? (Enjoy the pun.)
He made an initial investment to reap rewards. Preferring to squander, he sold his home and business to ultimately enjoy your full time earnings and pension. I bet he deliberately cited you being generous in the expectation you’d live up to it or feel guilty if you didn’t. When you reined in, he was on the lookout for another benefactor. The misery you have endured has been a punishment for limiting your funds to him imo.
He was honest when he told you he doesn’t fancy the neighbour. Instead he fancies her finances and the potential for an enhanced profligate lifestyle.
As soon as she tightens her belt he’ll move on. In MN speak he’ll literally rinse [her] and repeat. Wouldn’t it be illuminating to discover what his previous partners learned about him and why their relationships ended?
You’re so well rid of him, OP. Look to a much better future now. x

AmberExpert · 03/09/2024 19:25

@Beechwooder definitely appreciate the pun. I definitely felt guilty if I wasn’t offering to pay most of the time.

The neighbour was a wealthy widow, beautiful house, lots of money, he definitely aspired go the lifestyle.

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Beechwooder · 03/09/2024 19:58

His eyes were set on her lifestyle not her knickers.
I used to have a manager, about the same age as your ex, who constantly avowed his love of his wife. One day he had a hissy fit, resigned from his well paid job and took PT on NMW. There he befriended a wealthy widow and with her skipped off into the sunset leaving behind the ‘adored’ wife and several AC. Oh, how they hated him but he cared not a jot. He was shallow, calculating and completely irresponsible. No one felt the loss.

AmberExpert · 05/10/2024 20:52

Hello everyone, happy Saturday 🥰

Just wanted to post a quick update, I’ve just moved into my own house. I still can’t believe it, I’m completely upside down, boxes eveywhere, not sure where I’m sleeping tonight….probably be the floor, but that’s ok!
5 months since I started this thread, since I left, and I can’t believe how far I’ve come, never in a million years did I think I would be here, but here I am.

To anyone who’s in a toxic, narcissistic relationship, you can do it, you can leave, start again, it’s not easy, it’s been so hard, is it worth it, YES a million times over, yes. I’m so glad I left, onto my next chapter…..

Love and light to you all xx

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PeggyMitchellsCameo · 05/10/2024 21:04

Well that’s one fantastic update! Enjoy every moment you have earned it!

farnworth · 05/10/2024 21:25

So very pleased for you, hope you are very, very happy in your new home.
An inspirational update, thank you - a reminder of the possibility of a happy “ending”. Here’s to your future….!
Hope you sleep well tonight…

LightSpeeds · 05/10/2024 21:29

Brill! Well done and all the best for your new (better) life!

LookItsMeAgain · 05/10/2024 21:50

I'm really pleased for you. New house, new job, you're a whole NEW WOMAN!!!!!

Well done you. Have a glass of wine tonight and get a take away too! The unpacking can wait.

Ginkypig · 06/10/2024 01:56

Well done @AmberExpert

i knew you could do it and I knew whatever your new life was going to be was going to be great and here we are hearing about you moving into your new home and everything from this thread is becoming your past.

im really happy for you.