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Really need an outside perspective please.

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AmberExpert · 04/05/2024 05:56

First time poster, long-time lurker. Really need some impartial advice as I've no one I can speak too IRL. it's going to be a long one, so you might need a coffee and some biscuits....

Me and my OH are in our early 50s, not married. He's very friendly, outgoing and would do anything for anyone. There's a lady who lives near us who is a similar age to us, widowed three or four years ago. Recently she's started to regularly ask my OH to do jobs for her, putting pictures up, odd jobs around the house, doing gardening, walking her dog, the list goes on. It feels a bit like she says jump and he says how high.... She texts him regularly and will also send other non related texts such as photos of places she's at or events that she's attending or just general how are you texts. She sent a text last weekend saying 'Happy friday' with a picture of a walk she was on. He has recently been admitted to hospital for a few days and she has been texting to see how he is, sending him get well wishes etc. I saw her briefly during this time and was suprised at her level of concern for him.

When he's doing these jobs they always end in a coffee and a chat and he can be there a while. She is fit and active for her age, and I suspect she can do some of these jobs herself. She sometimes offers to pay him but not very often and will sometimes give him a bottle of wine. One of our neighbours commented recently that it's a good job I'm not a jealous person as he spends such a lot of time at her house!

I know her reasonably well, we've got each others mobile number, but she never texts me about anything, its always my OH. He will sometimes ask me to join him when he goes round, sometimes I go, but not often. I don't feel particularly comfortable around her, I'm not sure why, it's unusual for me to be like this.

I have voiced my concerns that she is becoming more 'needy' for want of a better word, and I feel uncomfortable about the amount of time he spends around there, as this is increasing to 3 or 4 times a week. He has told me that he doesn't fancy he's happy to help her, she's a good friend and neighbour and that I'm being paranoid.

Sometimes we can have a rational conversation about this, other times he blows up at me and can get very angry at me and accuses me of not trusting him. I do trust him, but I find the texting and requests for help excessive.

I'm not sure what to think if I'm honest, my gut feeling is that there is something off, I think she likes to have him doing all this for her, she says things like I'm lucky to have a man who can. And if I'm honest I think my OH likes the attention from her.

I've asked if he'll perhaps back off a bit, but he says he's not doing anything wrong and he'll continue to help her. I feel a bit like he's not really considering my feelings, but then I think am I being unreasonable, he's only helping a neighbour?

Please could you give me your honest opinions and if I just need to accept its a friendship and I've nothing to worry about.

thank you if you got this far, sorry its so long.

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AmberExpert · 04/07/2024 21:36

BigAnne · 04/07/2024 20:43

You've just described how I live minus the knitting 😂. It's bliss.

To be fair the knitting is stressful, I'm teaching myself via YouTube and all I can do is a scarf (badly!) So I might just stick with the reading and music, maybe with a nice glass of wine!

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AmberExpert · 04/07/2024 21:42

Ginkypig · 04/07/2024 20:53

Maybe or maybe not a romantic relationship but the lesson works for all relationships from friends to family to colleagues.

I just keep imagining me in my own home, having it just how I want, knitting, reading, listening to music and being at peace.
im so heartened to see this from you. With all my posts this was how I could envision you too (not the actual specifics but you know what I mean)

I think about you often so want to check in, my sincere hope is one day we will all be replying to a mundane future update about whatever life you’re living full of cheer for you because everything will be in the past!

Thanks so much, your support has been invaluable ❤️

I Can't tell you how much this thread has helped me through the last few weeks. I'm so glad I posted here, and for the clarity it's given me.

I'm looking forward to a peaceful, calm life, full of cheer, I like that. Raising a glass to you 🍷

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Ginkypig · 04/07/2024 21:57

I’ll have to wait for my Saturday night 🍷 but I’ll raise a glass to you too!

I appreciate your thanks but honestly I’m just glad to have been able to have been of some help to from reading your posts such a lovely lady!

but don’t forget YOU HAVE DONE THE HARD WORK! We’ve just been around to give a little help when needed

Littlestminnow · 04/07/2024 22:34

I just keep imagining me in my own home, having it just how I want, knitting, reading, listening to music and being at peace.

God, that sounds like utter bliss.

AmberExpert · 04/07/2024 22:57

Littlestminnow · 04/07/2024 22:34

I just keep imagining me in my own home, having it just how I want, knitting, reading, listening to music and being at peace.

God, that sounds like utter bliss.

Doesn't it? I'm not there yet, but keeping hold of the thought is keeping me going💕

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AmberExpert · 01/08/2024 09:51

New month and it always makes me look back and reflect how far I’ve come and what’s to come next. It’s almost 3 months since I left. Some days it feels like yesterday, sometimes it feels like that time never existed.

I have been re-reading this thread recently as I’ve had a couple of down days. I know I’m better off out of the relationship, and I know I don’t want to go back, and I’m even thinking I don’t love him anymore. But I’m struggling with the whole relationship being a lie for him, that he never really loved me, that I never meant anything to him, that he didn’t care about me enough not to want to text or spend time with the neighbour. It feels like I’m on quicksand almost and I don’t feel like I’ve got a firm footing or feel stable. It’s such a strange sensation.

According to everything I’m reading - my google history is full of how to recover from narcissistic abuse, how to recover from a toxic relationship, how to heal a broken heart - I’m doing all the right things. But god it’s been hard.

On the plus side I’ve been for a few interviews and I’ve got a new job. I start next month so that’s something to look forward to. I’ve been reconnecting with friends, I’ve been out walking lots and am still doing yoga. I’m trying to enjoy time alone as there’ll be lots more of that in the future!

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Jhgdsd · 01/08/2024 10:17

You are doing so well.
Pat that back!
Of course it is a process and takes time, but you are moving forward successfully.

Congratulations on the new job, that is wonderful.
I would try not to get bogged down on the level of his commitment to you.
Bottom line, he wasn't good enough for you, so you left.
That is the truth.
Lovely to read such an overall positive update.
Have a good day and month.

LookItsMeAgain · 01/08/2024 10:41

Oh @AmberExpert I'm so pleased to learn of the new job! Well done you. Also well done on the exercise front too.
Can I also say well done to your friend who has taken you in as that right there is a genuine true salt-of-the-earth friend. Hope things are going well on that front too.

You are doing so much better without your ex in the picture. Stay strong and you'll be fine 😉

FannyGotobed · 01/08/2024 11:02

I've just sat and read your whole thread and want to say well done to you! It takes so much strength to walk away (and stay away) from a headfucker like him.

It will take time to heal because these people undermine our fundamental self-esteem and that is hard to recover from. I'm almost 20 years out of an emotionally abusive relationship and I still have moments where I question what happened and why it happened to me. I have a great life now, great (grown up) kids, lots of hobbies and a wonderful partner who doesn't screw with my head! Doesn't stop the odd flashback and sleepless nights unfortunately but they are getting much less frequent now.

I'm a crafter - knitting, crochet and sewing, fantastic for mindfulness and also a brilliant community online and in real life. See if there's a beginners knitting or crochet group near you, they're usually a good way to make friends or just spend some time with like-minded people. Crafting keeps me sane 😂

beenwhereyouare · 01/08/2024 12:04

@AmberExpert, I've
been following you since the first day. I am still in awe of the way you made the decision to choose a better life and then did it!

I'm going to paraphrase parts of an earlier post now, because they are still apt.

Three things:

1- "You've had so much good advice and support. Please keep leaning on us. Someone is always here."

2- "You deserve better. Put that on repeat and continue to believe it."

3- "It hurts now, but you will be okay again."

The photo I'm resharing came up on my fb feed during the time you were in the heart of it. I told you then I think it was meant for you.

And 4, if you're counting-
"I'm wishing you joy and serenity in your life. Be happy."

Really need an outside perspective please.
Starseeking · 01/08/2024 12:50

What a lovely update @AmberExpert, I'm so pleased for you!

The feeling you get when you leave a relationship like that is so freeing. Yes you'll have your down days, but the reality is that those are you mourning what you thought you had, not what you actually had in that relationship.

Keep going on carving out a better life for yourself and good luck when you start the new job!

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 01/08/2024 14:03

OP I just read your latest update and wanted to lend some support. You have been through so much.
In relationships like this, you start mourning what might have been the minute the mask slips and then spend years and years waiting for the person you first met to return. Sadly, they don’t exist and are just a fabrication.
While it has been so tough on you, so many women stay. Then they are 60 and 70 and beyond and look back on wasted years.
I am a similar age to you and there is still so much for you in this world. I can tell from your writing that you are super-bright and you are clearly a good friend.
It’s going to take some time to recover and heal, because men like this literally steal so much from you.
But you have time to return it all to yourself.
As for him, whatever he is doing, some other woman will be the next victim. They will get the full-on treatment, and then they will be treated exactly as you were.
Then he will be 60 and 70 and he that creepy man who every woman in the area avoids. Men like him are very vain, and everything is on the surface.
You are made of the best substance. I hope you find your new job is just what you needed. Keep doing things you enjoy, spending time with people you love and when you get your next home get stuck in doing your own jobs.
As for the helpless neighbour wherever she is, I hope every job she had done was below standard, and every part of her house is riddled with minor disasters. Nothing major but enough to make her daily life a little bit unpleasant.
Please go and enjoy the freedom and fun you so richly deserve. Sharing your story on here is inspirational for lots of women who also feel stuck right now.

AmberExpert · 01/08/2024 20:12

Jhgdsd · 01/08/2024 10:17

You are doing so well.
Pat that back!
Of course it is a process and takes time, but you are moving forward successfully.

Congratulations on the new job, that is wonderful.
I would try not to get bogged down on the level of his commitment to you.
Bottom line, he wasn't good enough for you, so you left.
That is the truth.
Lovely to read such an overall positive update.
Have a good day and month.

Thanks so much, I keep telling myself that, sometimes it's easier to accept than others!
Here's to a good August ❤️

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AmberExpert · 01/08/2024 20:17

LookItsMeAgain · 01/08/2024 10:41

Oh @AmberExpert I'm so pleased to learn of the new job! Well done you. Also well done on the exercise front too.
Can I also say well done to your friend who has taken you in as that right there is a genuine true salt-of-the-earth friend. Hope things are going well on that front too.

You are doing so much better without your ex in the picture. Stay strong and you'll be fine 😉

Thank you so much ❤️

My friend has been the best, more than the best, and I tell her regularly I couldn't have done this without her.

I've been 'sofa surfing' this past month or so. Because I work remotely I can work anywhere and I've been house sitting for friends looking after their cats, dogs, small furry animals. I've been living out of a suitcase in different houses but do you know I've really enjoyed it. I wasn't sure at first living in someone else's house and them not being there, but I've really taken to it! It's felt like a mini holiday!

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AmberExpert · 01/08/2024 20:20

FannyGotobed · 01/08/2024 11:02

I've just sat and read your whole thread and want to say well done to you! It takes so much strength to walk away (and stay away) from a headfucker like him.

It will take time to heal because these people undermine our fundamental self-esteem and that is hard to recover from. I'm almost 20 years out of an emotionally abusive relationship and I still have moments where I question what happened and why it happened to me. I have a great life now, great (grown up) kids, lots of hobbies and a wonderful partner who doesn't screw with my head! Doesn't stop the odd flashback and sleepless nights unfortunately but they are getting much less frequent now.

I'm a crafter - knitting, crochet and sewing, fantastic for mindfulness and also a brilliant community online and in real life. See if there's a beginners knitting or crochet group near you, they're usually a good way to make friends or just spend some time with like-minded people. Crafting keeps me sane 😂

Thanks so much for taking the time to read the whole thread, hope you had a cuppa to hand! Thank you for sharing your story and glad you've found your happy ending. I hope I can say the same one day.

I've been thinking about joining a craft group or a knit and natter group. I must look into this when I get settled. Thanks for posting x

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AmberExpert · 01/08/2024 20:22

beenwhereyouare · 01/08/2024 12:04

@AmberExpert, I've
been following you since the first day. I am still in awe of the way you made the decision to choose a better life and then did it!

I'm going to paraphrase parts of an earlier post now, because they are still apt.

Three things:

1- "You've had so much good advice and support. Please keep leaning on us. Someone is always here."

2- "You deserve better. Put that on repeat and continue to believe it."

3- "It hurts now, but you will be okay again."

The photo I'm resharing came up on my fb feed during the time you were in the heart of it. I told you then I think it was meant for you.

And 4, if you're counting-
"I'm wishing you joy and serenity in your life. Be happy."

Thank you so much your support means so much. I still have that quote and look at it regularly. Joy and serenity sound perfect. I get glimpses of them now and again, I'm sure I'll see them more and more. I just need to keep my eyes forward, focus on the future and not look back......❤️

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AmberExpert · 01/08/2024 20:25

Starseeking · 01/08/2024 12:50

What a lovely update @AmberExpert, I'm so pleased for you!

The feeling you get when you leave a relationship like that is so freeing. Yes you'll have your down days, but the reality is that those are you mourning what you thought you had, not what you actually had in that relationship.

Keep going on carving out a better life for yourself and good luck when you start the new job!

Thank you. You've hit the nail on the head, I'm mourning what I thought I had. How he was at the beginning of the relationship. Which actually wasn't the real him....it was the love bombing narcissist person he really is.

Looking forward to the new job, bit nervous, well a lot nervous but hopefully it'll be ok!

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AmberExpert · 01/08/2024 20:28

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 01/08/2024 14:03

OP I just read your latest update and wanted to lend some support. You have been through so much.
In relationships like this, you start mourning what might have been the minute the mask slips and then spend years and years waiting for the person you first met to return. Sadly, they don’t exist and are just a fabrication.
While it has been so tough on you, so many women stay. Then they are 60 and 70 and beyond and look back on wasted years.
I am a similar age to you and there is still so much for you in this world. I can tell from your writing that you are super-bright and you are clearly a good friend.
It’s going to take some time to recover and heal, because men like this literally steal so much from you.
But you have time to return it all to yourself.
As for him, whatever he is doing, some other woman will be the next victim. They will get the full-on treatment, and then they will be treated exactly as you were.
Then he will be 60 and 70 and he that creepy man who every woman in the area avoids. Men like him are very vain, and everything is on the surface.
You are made of the best substance. I hope you find your new job is just what you needed. Keep doing things you enjoy, spending time with people you love and when you get your next home get stuck in doing your own jobs.
As for the helpless neighbour wherever she is, I hope every job she had done was below standard, and every part of her house is riddled with minor disasters. Nothing major but enough to make her daily life a little bit unpleasant.
Please go and enjoy the freedom and fun you so richly deserve. Sharing your story on here is inspirational for lots of women who also feel stuck right now.

Thank you so much. I've done lots of reading on narcissist relationships and know he'll be exactly the same with the next one, and the next....he can't be any different.

I don't feel very inspirational, but have definitely been inspired by all the posts on my thread. I've felt very supported and feel so much better for posting x

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5128gap · 01/08/2024 20:42

Edited as hadn't realised you'd moved on. Well done OP.

AmberExpert · 03/09/2024 01:46

September already, where has the last month gone….it’s 4 months now since I left, those 4 months have gone so quickly.

Things have been going well, I started my job a couple of weeks ago and am settling in well. It was definitely the right thing to do, and swapping my remote working job for something new and office based. The people I’m working with are really lovely, and have made me feel so welcome. It’s given me a real boost. They seem to have an active work social group, and whilst I don’t feel quite ready for socialising just yet, I’m sure when I do I’ll enjoy going out and about with them.

The other news is that I’ve bought a house! Oh my goodness I’m beyond excited about it, and can’t wait until I can move in and make it my own. The thought of buying what I want, choosing my bedding, cups, things that I like is filling me with joy.

Regarding my ex, I’ve had no contact from him at all. I’ve heard from a couple of friends from my old village that he’s said he’s missing me, for a split second I thought, oh my goodness, he’s missing me, have I done the right thing, should I message to see if he’s ok… luckily I came to my senses and didn’t contact him. I deleted his number ages ago so I wasn’t ever tempted to text, but I’ve got his number written down just in case I did ever need it, but I’ve got rid of it, which felt like quite a monumental step for me.

All of this sounds so positive, and I can see it is, I’m moving on and getting on with things. The bad days are getting fewer, I don’t cry as much as I did, and he’s not the first thing I think about when I wake up every morning. But I still miss the thought of him, the good times, the hugs.

I’ve been thinking about him moving on, which I’m sure he will have. I almost can’t bear the thought of it, even though I know the pattern will be the same for his new love interest. I really thought I was different, special and meant something to him. He used to say I wasn’t perfect, but I was perfect for him. I think the rumination about what I wanted it to be is the worst. I’m doing lots of work on my self esteem, and meditation has helped me to try and live in the present. And I’m acknowledging that these are just feelings and they’ll pass, I just need to work through it and give it time.

Thanks again for all the support, it’s been really helpful for me to revisit the thread and to post an update just to remind myself really how far I’ve come 🌈

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AmberExpert · 03/09/2024 02:16

PS: And you’ll see from the time I’ve posted I’m still suffering with terrible insomnia!!

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beenwhereyouare · 03/09/2024 02:33

Amber, you're amazing! You've come so far in just 4 months, and the steps you're taking to move forward are brilliant. Throwing away his number WAS monumental. Keep going; you'll be through to the other side before you know it.

Duh · 03/09/2024 06:17

Congratulations on the new home and new job! You are doing brilliantly.

Usernamechange1234 · 03/09/2024 06:25

This is all fantastic news! Well done for moving on and good luck with your new home!

Fannyfiggs · 03/09/2024 06:54

Congrats on the new job, home and life. You are bloody amazing!

You just never know when an unexpected fork in the road leads to your destiny ❤️