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Am I being OTT? Husband and my best friend…

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Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:35

I don’t know why I’m doing this thread. Probably because I can’t stomach telling real life people yet. I don’t know if I’m overreacting or underreacting or what. Please can you help me see through it?

A couple of weeks ago, my closest friend came to stay with us. She’s a long-term friend, very close, visits frequently and was my bridesmaid etc.

I got a babysitter and my friend, me and my H went out for a couple of drinks and to meet some other friends in the pub.

After coming home, I went to bed as it was late and my turn to get up with the baby in the morning. My H and friend stayed up listening to music and drinking some more. They went into another separate part of the house so the music didn’t disturb me or the baby. This isn’t unusual and more often than not, I’d be there too or my H wouldn’t.

In the morning, I picked up on a vibe. I just had a feeling. Never had it before. My friend was overly bright. She came back over very early. My husband very quiet. After my friend went home, I asked him outright if something had happened and he said no.

It niggled me for a couple of days and I suddenly recalled there’s external CCTV that covers that portion of the house, after we were burgled. So I viewed it. And I saw, clearly, that my friend approached my husband and put her arms around his neck and he wrapped his arms around her. They stayed like this, then it became dancing, then it became standing with their faces very close together talking, then they kissed albeit relatively brief and not a passionate one, and then they danced some more and then they separated. My H then immediately text me something inane, and probably guilty in hindsight.

The whole thing lasted around six minutes. It looked very intimate and intense. It makes me throw up viewing it.

Afterwards, they both went to bed separately. I’m fairly certain nothing else happened between them.

I have confronted the pair of them. My H claims he was crying about something and she comforted him, and he enjoyed the comfort. He’s very, very shame faced, upset and apologetic. My friend is trying to emotionally manipulate me into getting over it. Both attempted to rewrite it and minimise it until I informed them I’d seen it on CCTV.

I had expected DARVO from the pair of them due to the creepy surveillance aspect, but neither did. I find that telling.

My H is living in a separate part of the house. Complicated lives mean he cannot leave fully currently. I have ended my friendship. I have asked my H for a separation.

The real kicker here is my H, while very fond of my friend, is twitchy when I go out with her alone because she habitually seeks male attention and he feared I might do similar. She’s very beautiful and very clever and men fall at her feet. The hypocrisy of him lapping it up when she sought his attention is keeping me up at night.

I feel utterly sick and so betrayed. I have lost so much weight, I cannot eat and I cannot sleep. I feel I have lost two of the most important people to me.

But am I overreacting to end my marriage over this? They didn’t sleep together, the kiss was relatively brief, we have very small children, very entwined lives and a very long history.

And before anyone comes at me, I’m not holding her more responsible than him. She initiated the initial contact but he went with it. They both kissed each other. He’s married to me. Not her. Nor am I routinely into surveillance. It just suddenly occurred to me we had a camera and it was sheer dumb luck, or misfortune in their case, that they were visible.

Sorry this is long. I’ve not spoken to anyone about it.

OP posts:
annabofana · 07/06/2024 23:10

@Totalfuckingshitshow I've just read all your posts....so sorry you are going through this.

You are doing great.

It really resonates with me because I'm in a slightly similar situation. The difference being it was even less clear cut than what your husband did.

I have no evidence, and he swears nothing happened....it was just some flirty messages, apparently.

Totally devastating....but not enough to endanger marriage over.

So now I'm on high alert for something else happening.

It's just shit.

Solidarity, glad you are doing well

AcrossthePond55 · 09/06/2024 14:27

It doesn’t sound particularly relaxing being outnumbered by small people in a space with no convenience of home,

@Totalfuckingshitshow

You'd be surprised. Sometimes the absence of an emotional stressor can relieve more stress than the absence of a 'physical' stressor.

If you do take your DC away for a few days, remember that it will be your rules, your decisions that are final. He won't be there to do whatever it is that annoys you. And although out of sight isn't completely out of mind, there won't be the stress of seeing him in what subconsciously you may now feel as 'your' space.

Try it, you may like it. Just pick a place near a nice outdoor space or that has a nice pool.

andfinallyhereweare · 10/06/2024 00:34

Maybe ask him to go away…

AcrossthePond55 · 10/06/2024 01:10

andfinallyhereweare · 10/06/2024 00:34

Maybe ask him to go away…

@Totalfuckingshitshow

You know, @andfinallyhereweare may have the right idea!

If you can (and only if it feels right to you*) ask him to ship off for a week. Tell him your therapist thought it would be good 'for both of you to take a breather'.

*On one hand it's good for you to be in your own space in peace. On the other hand sometimes it's actually the change of scenery that's good for you.

Littlemissnikib · 10/06/2024 15:38

Totalfuckingshitshow · 07/06/2024 22:16

Funnily enough, our therapist suggested this at the end of the last intense session. I might look into it. It doesn’t sound particularly relaxing being outnumbered by small people in a space with no convenience of home, but I think it would be beneficial. Space to think. And also to adjust the idea of being separate.

He’d miss us. A lot. He adores the children and I think that’s a big part of his upset. Not seeing them all the time.

I’m going to pour a drink and look into it. 👀

I feel so weary. The low mood and overwhelm is real. (Promise I’m not medicating with booze. Mainly with peanut butter M&Ms)

Could you not leave the kids with him for a weekend and have a weekend away by yourself or with your lovely friend?

Gormenghastly · 11/06/2024 22:30

Please don't make any rash decisions, you are married and have young children so I am not convinced you should go for divorce based on this alone.

Way too much of this attitude in this thread. Anyone would think it's the 1950's and we can't survive financially without men.

Oh wait..

Gormenghastly · 11/06/2024 23:00

Former Friend has upped the ante on messaging me. I’m not replying but she’s sending desperate-sounding epistles telling me how much I mean to her. I don’t want to hear/read it. It’s making me uncomfortable. I’m done.

why not just block her? if you're really 'done' then it's lengthening the drama surely?

JenniferBooth · 11/06/2024 23:24

Hope you are ok @Totalfuckingshitshow Flowers

BirthdayRainbow · 13/06/2024 16:40

Gormenghastly · 11/06/2024 23:00

Former Friend has upped the ante on messaging me. I’m not replying but she’s sending desperate-sounding epistles telling me how much I mean to her. I don’t want to hear/read it. It’s making me uncomfortable. I’m done.

why not just block her? if you're really 'done' then it's lengthening the drama surely?

As @Totalfuckingshitshow said, she wants to keep an eye on what the ex friend is saying and how she's trying to spin this. If you'd read all of @Totalfuckingshitshow 's posts you would know that drama is the last thing she wants.

user1471886287 · 24/06/2024 20:33

How are you getting on OP? I feel your struggle - caught my husband and Best Friend secretly texting at Xmas. Christ the pain, left with PTSD…. Hope you are better

2GMom · 24/06/2024 23:48

Omg @user1471886287 I'm so sorry this happened to you. What was the outcome if you don’t mind me asking?

user1471886287 · 25/06/2024 09:29

2GMom · 24/06/2024 23:48

Omg @user1471886287 I'm so sorry this happened to you. What was the outcome if you don’t mind me asking?

Still working on us and ourselves through Individual Therapy and MC. Its very hard still. My husbands has depression (one of the reasons why we went to her to talk instead of me) so its not easy. The pain from the 2 betrays has left me utterly broken. I really don't know what the future holds

user1471886287 · 25/06/2024 09:31

annabofana · 07/06/2024 23:10

@Totalfuckingshitshow I've just read all your posts....so sorry you are going through this.

You are doing great.

It really resonates with me because I'm in a slightly similar situation. The difference being it was even less clear cut than what your husband did.

I have no evidence, and he swears nothing happened....it was just some flirty messages, apparently.

Totally devastating....but not enough to endanger marriage over.

So now I'm on high alert for something else happening.

It's just shit.

Solidarity, glad you are doing well

Me too! - Flirty messages to him from my close friend. Leaves you destroyed doesnt it .

Rania78 · 25/06/2024 11:35

I really wonder what goes through these women’s heads. They are such garbage.
Be careful who you accept into your home ladies.

user1471886287 · 25/06/2024 11:40

Rania78 · 25/06/2024 11:35

I really wonder what goes through these women’s heads. They are such garbage.
Be careful who you accept into your home ladies.

Utter Trash! I dont get it either. To do this to anyone let alone a friend when they have young kids is just disgusting

BirthdayRainbow · 25/06/2024 13:33

user1471886287 · 25/06/2024 09:29

Still working on us and ourselves through Individual Therapy and MC. Its very hard still. My husbands has depression (one of the reasons why we went to her to talk instead of me) so its not easy. The pain from the 2 betrays has left me utterly broken. I really don't know what the future holds

Do you want to stay with him?

user1471886287 · 25/06/2024 13:54

BirthdayRainbow · 25/06/2024 13:33

Do you want to stay with him?

Yes I do - he is a good man and trying to sort himself out and hasnt put a foot wrong in 18 years. Depressed people also do lots of hurtful things. Not that it makes it any easier

BirthdayRainbow · 25/06/2024 14:43

Some depressed people do lots of hurtful things. It's still a choice. I understand giving someone a chance but don't do so at the expense of your own well being.

EI12 · 18/08/2024 07:51

Read that post ages ago, can't forget about it. I hope you are OK, OP.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 10/09/2024 12:24

Hi all. Just a quick update. Not a good one. My mum died really, really unexpectedly a few weeks ago and life fell apart for me in multiple ways.

We’re still in the same house. He was very supportive and held things together while I tried to support my dad and sister and they supported me. It has been a very difficult, tragic, devastating, torturous and confusing few weeks. I miss my mum. She was who I spoke to about everything.

Counselling was paused while I processed what had happened.

Last night I climbed out of the grief for a moment to talk to him and I realised nothing had changed. Our relationship had, as was my biggest fear, slipped back into how it had been. Grief had masked all the shit as I wasn’t focusing on it anymore. We spoke frankly and I realised that even putting The betrayal aside, the mindset he held that was so problematic for me, is still very much how he thinks. And not only that, he doesn’t see why it should change. (Think: toxic masculinity. Learned, very effectively, from his father). I think that mindset is at the root of all the behaviours I struggled with.

So I’ve let everyone down, mostly myself, because my action became inaction and now I’m grieving, going to be in part financially responsible for my widower father, and still stuck in a marriage with a man who did something really shit, is ultimately a good person despite that, but who has beliefs that I find so toxic and unhealthy that it impacts everything. And I don’t know what to do now.

That was about as clear as my muddy thoughts.

For those who will be angered that we still share a house, we’re still living separately within the house as we were when it first happened.

The Former Friend messaged me periodically for a while, including, typically, on the day my mum died. I reached the end of my rope at that point and Brilliant Friend stepped in and told her to leave me alone. Which she has. Finally.

Life can be unutterably awful sometimes can’t it?

OP posts:
Zonder · 10/09/2024 12:25

Sorry for your loss. Well done Brilliant Friend for getting the FF to back off.

piscofrisco · 10/09/2024 12:29

Yes op it can. I'm so sorry about your mum. And I send you all the love in the world. Trite but you must look after yourself now first, your dad and everyone else after that, your H, way down the line. No hurry to make any decisions now.

Take care xx

Calliopespa · 10/09/2024 12:34

I’m sorry for your Lois OP.

Well done ( to you and friend) for getting rid of FF ( again!)

OP what I would say is your life is your life. It’s probably messy and imperfect like everyone else’s . But it is yours.

Sometimes these threads are great for support, but sometimes I feel like they play God with other people and decree what Must Happen.

You are entitled to be doing and living with whomsoever you want. You don’t need to feel you’ve failed anyone. If DH is providing support you need, then so be it. He’s far from perfect. But, realistically, we all are.

Only you can decide if or when you are ready to be alone. It’s great to empower women who desperately want to leave, but mentally denying them the option to stay isn’t any better than compelling people to stay in a toxic relationship. Relationships aren’t pristine. You do what you need to do and don’t apologise.

Calliopespa · 10/09/2024 12:41

Calliopespa · 10/09/2024 12:34

I’m sorry for your Lois OP.

Well done ( to you and friend) for getting rid of FF ( again!)

OP what I would say is your life is your life. It’s probably messy and imperfect like everyone else’s . But it is yours.

Sometimes these threads are great for support, but sometimes I feel like they play God with other people and decree what Must Happen.

You are entitled to be doing and living with whomsoever you want. You don’t need to feel you’ve failed anyone. If DH is providing support you need, then so be it. He’s far from perfect. But, realistically, we all are.

Only you can decide if or when you are ready to be alone. It’s great to empower women who desperately want to leave, but mentally denying them the option to stay isn’t any better than compelling people to stay in a toxic relationship. Relationships aren’t pristine. You do what you need to do and don’t apologise.

Sorry: that was loss not Lois. 😔

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