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Am I being OTT? Husband and my best friend…

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Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:35

I don’t know why I’m doing this thread. Probably because I can’t stomach telling real life people yet. I don’t know if I’m overreacting or underreacting or what. Please can you help me see through it?

A couple of weeks ago, my closest friend came to stay with us. She’s a long-term friend, very close, visits frequently and was my bridesmaid etc.

I got a babysitter and my friend, me and my H went out for a couple of drinks and to meet some other friends in the pub.

After coming home, I went to bed as it was late and my turn to get up with the baby in the morning. My H and friend stayed up listening to music and drinking some more. They went into another separate part of the house so the music didn’t disturb me or the baby. This isn’t unusual and more often than not, I’d be there too or my H wouldn’t.

In the morning, I picked up on a vibe. I just had a feeling. Never had it before. My friend was overly bright. She came back over very early. My husband very quiet. After my friend went home, I asked him outright if something had happened and he said no.

It niggled me for a couple of days and I suddenly recalled there’s external CCTV that covers that portion of the house, after we were burgled. So I viewed it. And I saw, clearly, that my friend approached my husband and put her arms around his neck and he wrapped his arms around her. They stayed like this, then it became dancing, then it became standing with their faces very close together talking, then they kissed albeit relatively brief and not a passionate one, and then they danced some more and then they separated. My H then immediately text me something inane, and probably guilty in hindsight.

The whole thing lasted around six minutes. It looked very intimate and intense. It makes me throw up viewing it.

Afterwards, they both went to bed separately. I’m fairly certain nothing else happened between them.

I have confronted the pair of them. My H claims he was crying about something and she comforted him, and he enjoyed the comfort. He’s very, very shame faced, upset and apologetic. My friend is trying to emotionally manipulate me into getting over it. Both attempted to rewrite it and minimise it until I informed them I’d seen it on CCTV.

I had expected DARVO from the pair of them due to the creepy surveillance aspect, but neither did. I find that telling.

My H is living in a separate part of the house. Complicated lives mean he cannot leave fully currently. I have ended my friendship. I have asked my H for a separation.

The real kicker here is my H, while very fond of my friend, is twitchy when I go out with her alone because she habitually seeks male attention and he feared I might do similar. She’s very beautiful and very clever and men fall at her feet. The hypocrisy of him lapping it up when she sought his attention is keeping me up at night.

I feel utterly sick and so betrayed. I have lost so much weight, I cannot eat and I cannot sleep. I feel I have lost two of the most important people to me.

But am I overreacting to end my marriage over this? They didn’t sleep together, the kiss was relatively brief, we have very small children, very entwined lives and a very long history.

And before anyone comes at me, I’m not holding her more responsible than him. She initiated the initial contact but he went with it. They both kissed each other. He’s married to me. Not her. Nor am I routinely into surveillance. It just suddenly occurred to me we had a camera and it was sheer dumb luck, or misfortune in their case, that they were visible.

Sorry this is long. I’ve not spoken to anyone about it.

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Whatifthehokeycokey · 14/05/2024 15:27

Totalfuckingshitshow · 13/05/2024 22:35

Thanks again for all the replies. I’ve taken real comfort from popping back to see what people have said.

Also it’s been useful seeing where I was at and where I am now, and remembering how awful I felt. That’s particularly useful as I have a mortal fear of sliding back into the unsatisfactory marriage we had, and remembering how hurt I was/am helps keep that at bay. Back up plan is making the sign of the cross in my H’s face if he gets overfamiliar and running away screaming.

I also have another update. Former Friend has been in touch via text. I obviously spoke too soon. I got a very lengthy, very self indulgent message about how devastated she is and how totally platonic it all was. I mean…….. what?

I think she genuinely believes that as a month has passed, she can now manipulate me with emotional language and rewrite what happened just enough for it to be totally fine (and recast me as ‘hysterical’ and over the top, no doubt…) and we can just carry on as we were. She even, selflessly, offered to meet me at a bar so we can discuss it.

I’m going to do what other posters also advised, and that’s nothing. I don’t want to get into a dialogue with her at all. I don’t want her to have a platform to unleash her impressive manipulation skills. I’ve seen her wangle her way into the most exclusive parts of events, this girl is good. I don’t want any of it. She’s not a good friend.

I’m taking the baby and we’re off to visit Third Friend tomorrow, which will be lovely. She lives very close to Former Friend, so I feel stupidly nervous about being in her neck of the woods.

I think, as time goes on, Former Friend is feeling the loss of us on a social level, and is trying to get back what she can. I’m sure she cared about us in a way, though I can’t say I believe that much anymore, but I think it’s mainly the loss of social life she’s mourning.

In other news, I ran ten miles with the baby in a pram. Yes, my body hurts from head to toe, but I’m so chuffed with myself.

P.S. totally relating to the ladder analogy. I can feel the wounds this has caused in my emotional wellbeing. Those scars will always be there.

Edited

Gosh, well done for running all that way!

I might be tempted to just reply to the friend with the video clip. Thankfully you have evidence of exactly how it looked, so it's not just her version of events against yours.

MsDogLady · 14/05/2024 16:57

Well I’m not surprised that FF has reared her head to attempt narrative control. You’ve got the true measure of her, @Totalfuckingshitshow. This type of narcissistic individual feels compelled to manipulate people to bend to her will and comply with her wants. She clearly believes that she can ‘manage’ you.

She thrives on the adoration of men and has a history of vying for H’s attention. This time he was up for it. They trashed their loyalty to you for 6 minutes of intimate gratification, and felt entitled to dupe you when you asked for their honesty. Now she is claiming that their illicit behavior was platonic. How insulting!

Your plan to ignore and provide her with no ammunition is definitely the way to go.

AcrossthePond55 · 14/05/2024 23:14

@Totalfuckingshitshow

FF popping up thinking if she acts like nothing's wrong then all will be well reminds me of my DS2 when he was little. He'd put his hands over his eyes and say "You can't see me, I'm invisible".

Yoe · 15/05/2024 02:41

I’m really glad you are doing your best and taking care of you and your babies well done you . Your weirdo ex friend never really a good friend being blanked by you is the way to go. What you deside to do with your hubby of course may take you time to figure out but you and your needs come first . Let the MF cry and get upset and don’t give it a second thought he brought this drama and pain into ur family life and created a mess . You are picking up the piece and doing a brilliant job keeping it together and keep going

Totalfuckingshitshow · 18/05/2024 20:57

Me again!

Happy weekend everyone. Anyone else having a glass of wine? What a day… (for Christ’s sake remind me not to have too much, I’m planning another ten mile run tomorrow and my knees already hurt in anticipation).

Today involved a gorgeous beach party for one of my kid’s friends. Baby (eight months) only had one nap today. Of 40 minutes. Absolute maniac. Still, she went to sleep like a tranqu’ed lamb, so that’s something.

Former Friend has upped the ante on messaging me. I’m not replying but she’s sending desperate-sounding epistles telling me how much I mean to her. I don’t want to hear/read it. It’s making me uncomfortable. I’m done. She knows that. I’m not replying to any of them but it’s getting to me now. I know I should block her but while I hate it, I also want to keep a weather eye on her as she can be a bit erratic and I really don’t want her rocking up here unannounced and causing a scene. It’s my kid’s party soon, which she knows.

I think she’s finally realising that shit actions have shit consequences. But in the same vein, I think she thinks she can talk her way out of it. Ugh.

I know Third Friend (I don’t like that shorthand I’ve given her, it’s not good enough. She shall henceforth be known as Wonder Friend) will tell her it’s done and to leave me alone, but I feel guilty asking her to do that. I don’t like shoving her in the middle. But she’d do it in a heartbeat.

I know this doesn’t really add anything update wise but I just felt like popping back as I’d been Reading my own posts for a bit of a sobering reminder.

Just thought my baby had woken up and was whimpering but it was, would you believe, an owl. 🦉

Re the H, I’m so indifferent to him at the moment. A good thing, but also quite heartbreaking.

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fettybord · 18/05/2024 21:07

Cheers my dear!

BirthdayRainbow · 18/05/2024 21:07

I want wine but can't have any so have one for me.

If I was wonder friend I would be sad you haven't asked me to help when I could.

Horrible friend needs muting on your phone. Then her messages are there and you can devote 90 seconds a week to looking at her stupid messages.

Getting to the indifference stage is helpful, vital, necessary and progress. Well done.

changeme4this · 18/05/2024 21:09

Is wonder friend coming to your child’s party?

I’m concerned that you feel stuck in receiving idiot woman’s messages to avoid her coming around and making some sort of scene. There’s something really untidy about her actions and I don’t think she is trying to repair anything for your sake, only hers..

please block idiot woman and please ensure come party time, there will be a couple more adults who will have your back.

changeme4this · 18/05/2024 21:12

I will just add that I can understand she might want to apologise, but that takes 1 message.

to bomb you with multiple messages is harassment.

Delphinium20 · 18/05/2024 21:12

OP...it's so good to hear from you!

You sound better than you did those first days. What a lovely time to spend a beach party with little ones! Good on you for staying active and socially connected with friends who matter.

Former Friend has quite the ego, doesn't she? She can do whatever she desires, including mackin' on a friend's DH, and somehow think that with just the right words, you'll go back to where you were before? What.A.Narcissist. She really doesn't respect you.

I think you should ask Wonder Friend to do what you are considering. It will give Wonder Friend a job she probably is just waiting on permission from you to perform anyway. I bet Wonder Friend would also see this move as a sign of hope that you are able to separate and move forward and she'll feel good knowing she's doing something tangible to help you.

I understand wanting to keep a watchful eye on Former Friend's missives...you can skim them, but I am on the fence about blocking immediately unless it means it will help you heal. If anything, it should show you what a total narc she is. Blocking could, however, give you some peace.

And happy you feel meh about husband. He doesn't deserve your heartbreak, IMO.

Dontbeme · 18/05/2024 21:13

Send traitor ex-friend one message

"Do not contact me again, any further efforts to contact me by any means I will consider harrassment and take appropriate action"

And if she does try again I would report her for harrassment, keep all her messages as evidence. She doesn't get to fuck up your and your DC family and then bully her way back into your life.

AcrossthePond55 · 18/05/2024 21:20

@Totalfuckingshitshow

I love the title 'Wonder Friend'. As far as I'm concerned it's the new 'BFF'.

As far as FF (who should be known as 'UFF' (untrustworthy former friend), you need to trust your feelings. You'll know when 'too much is too much'.

And I get that you don't want to ask WF to 'intervene', but it may become necessary. And I'm sure she'll do it happily and well.

Onwards and Upwards.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 18/05/2024 21:32

Knew I could rely on you. You’re right. Wonder Friend would be only too happy to help I think. She’s closer geographically to Former Friend, and I think an explanation from her might put it all to bed. At least for a bit, so I can get some respite.

There’s something really untidy about her actions and I don’t think she is trying to repair anything for your sake, only hers..

This is bang on, too. I don’t think she can’t quite believe she’s been caught out and held to account and the sense of injustice and lack of power she’s clearly feeling is driving her need for control over the whole sorry mess. I also suspect she’s anxious about people finding out (we have an extensive list of mutual friends) as she has a certain image she likes to uphold, and Grubby Groper of Husbands is not it.

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BirthdayRainbow · 18/05/2024 21:34

She wants you to forgive her so she can maintain she did nothing wrong..

Totalfuckingshitshow · 18/05/2024 21:44

BirthdayRainbow · 18/05/2024 21:34

She wants you to forgive her so she can maintain she did nothing wrong..

I think you’re spot on.

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BirthdayRainbow · 18/05/2024 21:47

Every time you find yourself thinking about her or her actions stop, say no out loud then go and do something for you. Make it a positive. You're giving yourself back the time she's trying to take from you.

Noseybookworm · 18/05/2024 22:10

I would just send her one message -

Stop messaging me. I don't ever want to hear from you again.

Then block her. You can't make it any clearer than that. By keeping on reading her messages, you are prolonging the whole thing. Just tell her you're done and move on.

Lifeisapeach · 18/05/2024 22:23

What about your husband though… I’d be more worried about that situation but you seem more caught up in your friends actions.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 18/05/2024 23:22

Lifeisapeach · 18/05/2024 22:23

What about your husband though… I’d be more worried about that situation but you seem more caught up in your friends actions.

Well, that is what it is. We’re living separately. It’s civil and sad. Very sad. I’m half out the door but haven’t officially called time yet. We’re in weekly therapy, together and separately. We talk about it. We are co-parenting. And that is going to take longer to settle, one way or another, than my former friendship due to the financial, emotional, legal etc complications of our marriage.

Former Friend has been cut off but is seemingly outraged by it.

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Totalfuckingshitshow · 18/05/2024 23:23

BirthdayRainbow · 18/05/2024 21:47

Every time you find yourself thinking about her or her actions stop, say no out loud then go and do something for you. Make it a positive. You're giving yourself back the time she's trying to take from you.

This is a good idea. I like it.

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MsRosley · 19/05/2024 09:23

changeme4this · 18/05/2024 21:12

I will just add that I can understand she might want to apologise, but that takes 1 message.

to bomb you with multiple messages is harassment.

This. She's just trying to overstep you boundaries. Again.

Whatifthehokeycokey · 20/05/2024 10:38

telling me how much I mean to her

You know exactly how much you mean to her, because of the way she's treated you. What a bitch.

As others have said, block her. If she turns up univited at your child's party, tip a jug of orange squash over her head and ask her to leave.

Nicebloomers · 20/05/2024 10:59

Late to the updates, but thanks for keeping us up to date. FF clearly is a desperate woman. More fool her. She’s trying to manipulate things so she can brush it all off as ‘a misunderstanding’. I dare say she’s very worried the incident will lose her friends and maybe even her relationship. She should have thought about that before. I do wonder if she’s done this before.

Im sorry things with DH are still strained. It would be a lot easier if things were working out more amicably but I guess it is what it is. You feel how you feel. Is he at least trying to romance you/ be the best husband ever?

Secondstart1001 · 02/06/2024 09:39

@Totalfuckingshitshow been wondering how you are getting on, hope you are ok and getting through the therapy.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 05/06/2024 21:45

Secondstart1001 · 02/06/2024 09:39

@Totalfuckingshitshow been wondering how you are getting on, hope you are ok and getting through the therapy.

Hi @Secondstart1001. Thanks for coming back to see me. 👋

It’s been really up and down. I’ve been really up and down. We’re still separately cohabiting (if that isn’t a total oxymoron. Actually it is. He lives in an annexed part of the house) and coparenting. We’re still in therapy.

It was my kid’s birthday and it was a whirlwind of parties and hosting and days out and half term, which I thought might mask things, but actually highlighted to me how separate we are now. We run a tight ship when we host people, we’re really good at it, but we have very separate roles within that ship and barely spoke. Apologies for annihilating that seafaring metaphor.

We had a difficult therapy session when it became very clear he’s not comfortable dealing with any strong feelings and uses sudden anger to stop them, or me, which leaves me feeling totally unheard. Therapy has helped me see quite a few things clearly, things that have left me feeling completely at sea (back on the boat again) and angry and frustrated in the past. So that’s helpful.

I’m seeing him in a different light for various reasons, which is surprisingly hard. I’d always held this sense of it being somehow destined that we were to be together. We’ve had monstrous things happen to us but I believed at the heart of it, we were meant to be. Now I realise how pathetic and childish that was and I wondered if (due to what had happened to me just before I met him) if I wasn’t in fact just trauma bonded. I’m exploring this.

So many of our thoughts and ideas don’t align, and I’ve been very honest about a few issues I have with certain members of his family due to how they’ve treated me, and I think the end of our relationship is a sad reality we have to face now. I still don’t know what that will look like. Our lives will, for a host of reasons, be very complicated to disentangle.

Re: former friend, she has upped the ante with the manipulative messages. She’s used her dead mother in messages, saying because of that she knows life is too short, and likening things to the plot of Beaches, unless we make friends again. I’ve not replied to anything. I’ve not blocked because I want to keep a weather eye on things.

I did a charity running challenge and ran 100 miles during May. I think I’m a runner now. I even have a hydration vest. 😎 (it initially put me in mind of the weird boob vest thing Robert DeNiro wore in Meet the Fockers, but I’ve got past that now. I keep tropical squash in mine.)

Third friend is a legit legend who is letting me lean on her and we’re hanging out a lot, which is ace. I love her.

Re the PMDD: I’m on starflower, B6, vit D, and folic acid and not sure if it’s working or placebo, but things on that score seem a lot less shit. I’m not unaware however that it could be the distraction of my life slowly falling down around my spangly house Crocs (I don’t wear them out, they’re fur lined and quite spectacularly ugly but heavenly to actually wear) making me think things are better on that score.

So that’s it really. Not much further on, but an idea where we’re going and feeling pretty devastated it’s all come to this.

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