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Moving out due to child’s behaviour?

399 replies

Betteroverhere · 14/04/2024 18:25

My husband and I have two children. They are very young so I realise this may be jumping the gun but I’m being as honest as I can. My eldest child has a very poor relationship with me and I seem to be a massive trigger for him . He shouts, snatches, openly shows dislike and contempt for me - shouting get off me, get away, those sorts of things. I

I have just reached my peak with it and I’m upstairs in tears.

I think it might be best for everyone if I moved out. Not necessarily forever but I do feel it might be best if I wasn’t here all of the time. Has anyone ever done this?

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Newsenmum · 14/04/2024 19:15

And op you sound mentally unwell in the way you are evaluating a three year olds behaviour. Your posts don’t sound rational. Please, please get help and at least get on some antidepressants to deal with this and not hurt someone so tiny. He’s hurting very much.

LittleSparklyStar · 14/04/2024 19:15

Sorry you feel so bad, but you’ve had so many suggestions of help and support and you shut every one down. You owe it to that child to get help. I don’t even find the things you’re saying shocking. I do find it shocking that you refuse help.
and you won’t answer my question about how
Old youngest is?

Blink360 · 14/04/2024 19:15

Betteroverhere · 14/04/2024 19:14

You go private. As I have said. And for all I agree I should move out if I could I’ve done that for that child, I’ve moved heaven and earth to ensure he is well; to give him a rich and varied experience, to feed him good food.

And there’s no point.

Please call 111 and speak to someone tonight.

Geppili · 14/04/2024 19:16

Op, you need to leave now and don't take your 'good' child with you. Leave now and don't look back.

MotherofChaosandDestruction · 14/04/2024 19:16

OP, I get it. I had/have one of these children who is emotionally and physically abusive to me, it's heartbreaking. I know the reason my child is like this and I have sought therapy but it hasn't really worked and I'm desperately unhappy at times but I will continue because I'm their mummy and they need me. Your child does not hate you even if it feels like it, you are their world and it has been turned upside down by the arrival of a sibling.

I know you have said you don't want to speak to a GP but can you call a HV? How old is your youngest? They can help you. I'm sending all of the love and unmumsnetty hugs

waftabout · 14/04/2024 19:16

There is help but you're not taking it. I hope you do before serious emotional and/or physical harm is done to both of your children.

I do think there is something seriously wrong here and someone needs to step in. You need help and so do your children.

ChooksnChicks · 14/04/2024 19:16

You need to tell someone how you're feeling. Nursery, health visitor, GP, someone. Because this cannot go on as-is. You know this, or you wouldn't be here.

Betteroverhere · 14/04/2024 19:16

@Newsenmum i am in a very low place. I may feel differently tomorrow but all weekend of being spoken to so horribly and pushed away and shouted at has got under my skin. I don’t give a shit (sorry if that sounds aggressive) if anyone doesn’t like it, they can come and experience it and tell me if they come out twittering about little big feelings and really OP just ring your GP.

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IncognitoUsername · 14/04/2024 19:17

Blink360 · 14/04/2024 19:15

Please call 111 and speak to someone tonight.

This. Or at least speak to DH and let him call for support/advice.

MotherofChaosandDestruction · 14/04/2024 19:17

Betteroverhere · 14/04/2024 19:11

And to be honest if there is something wrong other than our relationship (there isn’t) I don’t really care.

This isn't a typical reaction OP, I am so concerned for you. Does your husband understand the depths of your feelings and I happiness? Could you talk to him tonight?

Lelophants · 14/04/2024 19:18

LittleSparklyStar · 14/04/2024 19:15

Sorry you feel so bad, but you’ve had so many suggestions of help and support and you shut every one down. You owe it to that child to get help. I don’t even find the things you’re saying shocking. I do find it shocking that you refuse help.
and you won’t answer my question about how
Old youngest is?

I agree. The op doesn’t want help. It’s so upsetting.

If she refuses to get help then yes she should leave.

Blink360 · 14/04/2024 19:18

Betteroverhere · 14/04/2024 19:16

@Newsenmum i am in a very low place. I may feel differently tomorrow but all weekend of being spoken to so horribly and pushed away and shouted at has got under my skin. I don’t give a shit (sorry if that sounds aggressive) if anyone doesn’t like it, they can come and experience it and tell me if they come out twittering about little big feelings and really OP just ring your GP.

Can you at least go for a walk and clear your head? It all sounds very claustrophobic.

SunflowerTed · 14/04/2024 19:19

I think your child is probably reacting to you like this as he senses that you hate him. Children pick up on these things. Poor poor child. You probably should leave before you really damage him

Betteroverhere · 14/04/2024 19:20

You all do know DH isn’t a therapist or a counsellor? I don’t know why you’re all pushing me to talk to him. He can’t help.

Anyway, I can see I’m being held to account for not taking helpful advice which is true; I won’t. I won’t leave as I have nowhere to go and DH would never cope and he has to work anyway. Don’t worry, I’ll carry on being spoken to like shit until he leaves home and then maybe things will get better.

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NamingConundrum · 14/04/2024 19:20

OP you need help. 2 young kids is tough. Leaving both is unlikely to help you. You need help. GP, health visitor etc. I agree with the posters saying you likely have PPD, which is being compounded by the 3yos behaviour.

NamingConundrum · 14/04/2024 19:21

Betteroverhere · 14/04/2024 19:20

You all do know DH isn’t a therapist or a counsellor? I don’t know why you’re all pushing me to talk to him. He can’t help.

Anyway, I can see I’m being held to account for not taking helpful advice which is true; I won’t. I won’t leave as I have nowhere to go and DH would never cope and he has to work anyway. Don’t worry, I’ll carry on being spoken to like shit until he leaves home and then maybe things will get better.

Can you swap? You work and him take leave?

Betteroverhere · 14/04/2024 19:22

SunflowerTed · 14/04/2024 19:19

I think your child is probably reacting to you like this as he senses that you hate him. Children pick up on these things. Poor poor child. You probably should leave before you really damage him

except that’s the wrong way round isn’t it

i started hating him or feeling like I do anyway because of the behaviour

I can’t lie and say I’ve always been a perfect parent, who has, but I’ve tried. And today - literally less than two hours ago - something went ‘no.’ Something changed. I felt it, like a sort of detachment. I know it sounds crazy but it really was like someone had cut through a thread or something. I’ve taken it all weekend and been pushed away and it’s like the push worked.

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Youdontevengohere · 14/04/2024 19:22

Your lack of cash isn’t a good enough reason for you to stay and your child to remain in danger from you. You’ve said that you want to hurt him. You need to leave for his sake, even if you can’t afford to.

Betteroverhere · 14/04/2024 19:22

NamingConundrum · 14/04/2024 19:21

Can you swap? You work and him take leave?

No

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WhoKnowsWhatToDoWithThis · 14/04/2024 19:23

My DD is autistic. She had no ability to tolerate her (lovely) dad at all in her early years.

She would constantly reject him, no matter what he did. It was awful for him and all of us. Dark days when I look back.

Things got gradually easier when she was older (age 6 I think) and they have a good relationship now.

If my DH had been experiencing any of the thoughts and feelings you have described here, I definitely definitely would have wanted you to know so I could support him.

You really need to let people know how you're feeling. I know it feels hopeless, pointless and endless but you can't keep it all inside.

Betteroverhere · 14/04/2024 19:23

Youdontevengohere · 14/04/2024 19:22

Your lack of cash isn’t a good enough reason for you to stay and your child to remain in danger from you. You’ve said that you want to hurt him. You need to leave for his sake, even if you can’t afford to.

OK and where do I go with £12.46 in my bank account 🤣

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DumplingTheCat · 14/04/2024 19:24

I had similar feelings about my young child. My child did similar things. I lost it to the point that I retaliated and hit him once, and another time I just sat and screamed at him - not shouting with words, just proper screaming.

My child was diagnosed with autism. There is research out there about how young autistic children do not do as many of the cute or pro-social things that make care-givers want to look after them.

When they are young it is hard to differentiate between normal behaviour and the additional stuff you are being put through. It is hard to prove you are being put through more consequently you don’t believe it never mind anyone else.

I too wanted to just walk out. I felt it would be better as he hated me, I loved him but did not like him a lot of the time and it was just bloody hard work.

DS is still hard work. He’s very bright and can argue his point, which doesn’t help, but things are better as we have the support around us - special school, respite etc. Appropriate parenting techniques that you both use do help. Plus just recognising yourself that it is hard and that you need to look after yourself. I consider myself a carer with a caring job rather than a mum really.

I throughly recommend HV if you can’t get a GP appt. Possibly also does any of the following ring any bells? Don’t write off autism just because some of it doesn’t ring true. If at least some of it does bring this up with the HV. It is from the NICE guidelines for diagnosing autism:

Box 2 Features suggesting possible autism in preschool children (or equivalent mental age)Social interaction and reciprocal communication behaviours
Spoken language

  • Language delay (in babble or words, for example less than ten words by the age of 2 years).
  • Regression in or loss of use of speech.
  • Spoken language (if present) may include unusual:
  • non-speech like vocalisations
  • odd or flat intonation
  • frequent repetition of set words and phrases ('echolalia')
  • reference to self by name or 'you' or 'she/he' beyond 3 years.
  • Reduced and/or infrequent use of language for communication, for example use of single words although able to speak in sentences.

Responding to others

  • Absent or delayed response to name being called, despite normal hearing.
  • Reduced or absent responsive social smiling.
  • Reduced or absent responsiveness to other people's facial expressions or feelings.
  • Unusually negative response to the requests of others (demand avoidant behaviour).
  • Rejection of cuddles initiated by parent or carer, although may initiate cuddles themselves.

Interacting with others

  • Reduced or absent awareness of personal space, or unusually intolerant of people entering their personal space.
  • Reduced or absent social interest in others, including children of his/her own age – may reject others; if interested in others, may approach others inappropriately, seeming to be aggressive or disruptive.
  • Reduced or absent imitation of others' actions.
  • Reduced or absent initiation of social play with others, plays alone.
  • Reduced or absent enjoyment of situations that most children like, for example, birthday parties.
  • Reduced or absent sharing of enjoyment.

Eye contact, pointing and other gestures

  • Reduced or absent use of gestures and facial expressions to communicate (although may place adult's hand on objects).
  • Reduced and poorly integrated gestures, facial expressions, body orientation, eye contact (looking at people's eyes when speaking) and speech used in social communication.
  • Reduced or absent social use of eye contact, assuming adequate vision.
  • Reduced or absent joint attention shown by lack of:
  • gaze switching
  • following a point (looking where the other person points to – may look at hand)
  • using pointing at or showing objects to share interest.

Ideas and imagination

  • Reduced or absent imagination and variety of pretend play.

Unusual or restricted interests and/or rigid and repetitive behaviours

  • Repetitive 'stereotypical' movements such as hand flapping, body rocking while standing, spinning, finger flicking.
  • Repetitive or stereotyped play, for example opening and closing doors.
  • Over-focused or unusual interests.
  • Excessive insistence on following own agenda.
  • Extremes of emotional reactivity to change or new situations, insistence on things being 'the same'.
  • Over or under reaction to sensory stimuli, for example textures, sounds, smells.
  • Excessive reaction to taste, smell, texture or appearance of food or extreme food fads.
LittleSunDriedTomatoe · 14/04/2024 19:24

Is your child a spoilt brat?
Why is your husband not taking the the lead in helping to discipline / guide your child's behaviour?

Mrsttcno1 · 14/04/2024 19:24

Betteroverhere · 14/04/2024 19:22

except that’s the wrong way round isn’t it

i started hating him or feeling like I do anyway because of the behaviour

I can’t lie and say I’ve always been a perfect parent, who has, but I’ve tried. And today - literally less than two hours ago - something went ‘no.’ Something changed. I felt it, like a sort of detachment. I know it sounds crazy but it really was like someone had cut through a thread or something. I’ve taken it all weekend and been pushed away and it’s like the push worked.

So call the police or your health visitor and tell them exactly that. At the point you tell the authorities that you hate your 3 year old to the point you hold yourself back from hurting him, the support will be coming to you.

Youdontevengohere · 14/04/2024 19:25

Betteroverhere · 14/04/2024 19:23

OK and where do I go with £12.46 in my bank account 🤣

Hostel? Present to the council as homeless? I don’t know. But when you snap and hurt him, ‘I couldn’t afford to leave’ isn’t going to work as a defence.