Thanks everyone, I am reading through the responses and will try and answer all the questions here.
Do you work, OP? You could save a little bit by bit so you could leave.
Yes, I work. I would not need to save money to leave. I can leave anytime I want and so can he. After the affair it was a red line for me that I would always have a door open to go if I wished to go. Hence we have two homes. Although we live together in both and my child has a bedroom in both. It soothes me to know I can go if I want to (sorry if that sounds horrible, but there are days it is hard).
You're mixing up now, with then. He's told you that he wasn't sure he loved you at the start, maybe that was your difference
He says he did love me, but that he just didn't feel like things would work out because he didn't picture a happy future for himself. He said he was fatalistic because of that, and so when she made herself abundantly available when I wasn't that he made dozens of micro decisions that he would never make today. He says it was a lack of worth in himself which caused this, rather than a lack of value in me.
Particularly consider why you fall so quickly and deeply from the start
This isn't me at all. I am the opposite way. At the time of the affair DP and I had been dating about 9 months and neither of us had said "I love you". I am very slow with these things!
Your title states you forgave but you didn’t did you? And you still haven’t and probably never will.
Forgiving him doesn't mean the damage to me is gone. I am not sure that's how this works. Coming to terms with something like this is something inside yourself. It has almost nothing to do with forgiving or not forgiving.
Infidelity is abuse and it seems to be accepted as a type of abuse people do by accident. The lying, gaslighting and devaluing is emotional abuse in anyone’s book and there is nothing accidental about it.
It absolutely is. I thought a few times today that I hope anyone reading this whose considering cheating on their partner or spouse thinks again. Dependent on the circumstances, it can cause a lot of damage.
Im offended on your behalf he has suggested yoga for your PTSD. It seems the more depressed and isolated you’ve become the more he loves you.
He read a book called "The Body Keeps Score" about trauma and it has a long chapter on Yoga, so he thought it might help me. He sees me in pain and he wants to fix it. So he thinks of things that might help. It's his love language. He doesn't love me more now I am depressed and isolated, he just loves me the same whether I am depressed or not. He wants me to get better.
It sounds to me, that the heart of your problem is that you cannot cognitively understand why he would have done what he did. I can't either, yours is rather an odd story. I too cannot understand why, in the very early stage of your relationship when he had nothing to lose, had an affair with this woman whilst so in love with you.
I don't think he was "so in love" with me at the time. Looking back I didn't actually think that he was. I remember thinking he was holding back from day one, and being not quite sure why as he was obviously besotted in quite a sweet (not smarmy) way but still holding back. He didn't tell me much about his past, kept me at arms length. What I thought was that he was a particularly honest, moral, kind, humble person so that's why this was such a shock. He is definitely NOT a shagger if you know what I mean.
When my previous partner (father of my child) cheated on me, I reacted very differently. I saw a text from another woman and more or less left immediately with a ten month old baby. My reaction was simply "he's an arsehole" and I walked away and was happier for it. This was very different. His anguish from the offset was obvious, and I remember in those first months after discovery that it was clear neither of us really wanted it to end and we just wanted another chance.
We'd been dating about nine months when his affair started, and we'd been apart for a few months as he was transferred to an office on the other side of the country. She was a colleague. He worked long hours with her. I had a child at home at the time, so seeing each other was tough and I was very chilled out about all the partying he was doing. It didn't once occur to me he was cheating, and with hindsight I felt such an idiot.
The work group did a lot of partying / drinking and while I believed we were in a committed / loving relationship, he obviously hadn't felt the same at the time. I feel a lot of humiliation over that now. Besotted with me? Yes. Committed to me? No. I learned they are not the same thing AT ALL.
He said he knew he wanted a future with me from early on, but he said was just a messed up person and lived for the moment in a fatalistic way. So when she arrived and made herself very available for essentially worshipping him, I think he just took it and didn't think much about what the cost would be.
Yes, he said he felt horribly guilty, but I think (he hasn't admitted this) that he was also getting something from it that was filling an emotional hole for him and he didn't want to give it up. He says he never thought it was love with her, or anything like it. He describes it as two drunk, fucked up people thrown together and making a huge mess.
What makes me very sad is that I know him, and he'd never shag anyone he didn't feel an emotional connection with - so I carry a lot of pain around that. That she must have given him something beyond sex that was worth doing this. That hurts me astronomically.
Plus he does sound as if he had deep feelings for this woman and grieved for her sorely.
I agonise over this, because if he did have deep feelings for her, then I want to leave. I cannot live with that, if he did. It is just not something I can accept. But he says he did not. He clearly grieved the entire thing in the six months after it all, but he tells me it wasn't love, but a form of dependency on a toxic connection and the chaos of all the shame and pain. I really, still, can't make sense of it and it plagues me. He says he was a mess at the time, and that he can't really fully explain it, but that it's over and she means absolutely nothing to him.
You don't have to answer this if you don't want to, but is there a cultural/religious element in play? Are you perceived as a socially acceptable, culturally desirable mate whilst this other lady was somehow a taboo, unacceptable partner in some way?
No, there was no reason at all he could not have been with her if he had wanted to. In fact, being with me was far harder. It meant quitting his job, moving, and dealing with all this crap for years. He says there was never any question in his mind over what he wanted, and when he saw his future it was with me. He made it clear that whether I left or not, he didn't want a relationship with her.
Rather than saying that your bar was low at the beginning, forgive yourself for feeling that to continue in the relationship was the right thing to do.
Thank you for saying this.
Remember... this happened at the beginning of your relationship, when he hadn't yet developed a deep long-lasting relationship with you. Now he has.
This is what he says
I don't think you will ever be the old you again. Sometimes, events change us too much.
Thanks for understanding this. I think this is one of the worst things I am grieving right now. I feel embarrassed I wasn't able to shake this off. However in my deepest heart, I know this changed me in a way I will never recover from. I know I must find a new way of being, and I will miss old me.
Whether you will admit it or not you are depressed and have PTSD. I am a retired American military officer and I know what that looks like. Yoga does not fix depression and PTSD. Hiding in the countryside doesn't fix it either. A good psychiatrist and a trauma counselor do. Please, please get help today. I've seen the result of not seeking help. Please don't do that to yourself. You can get well if you choose to.
Thanks for this. I am aware deep down that this is what's happened. I have not given too much detail on all that occurred during the worst of this and I don't want to, but I felt horror and terror that I could not see a way to escape from at the time. I have read some academic articles on PTSD and it explained very well the way I feel that my life story just ended and like I am an alien in my own life now. Thanks for writing this to me, it'll help me find the strength to try and get help.
Do you love your partner and want to stay?
I deeply love my partner, and want to stay. I only think of leaving because I feel I am so changed by this that I am no longer a good partner to anybody and that he would be happier and better off without me.
A great many people go through the trauma of betrayal and worse losses but they don’t use it as an excuse to stop living for years on end.
I know. It makes me feel inadequate that I haven't been able to do this.
Unfortunately you and your partner are trauma bonded and this is not healthy for either of you.
No, we are not trauma bonded. I think it's likely he and the affair partner were though. It was a very toxic situation. He and I are very peaceful and calm together. I don't experience any feelings that I can't live without him or need him. If anything my problem is isolating myself to a point of needing nobody.
I think we might understand more if you explained what he actually did that made it so different to normal affairs?
One thing I learned over the last four years is that all affairs are more or less the same. One person making choices to get something that makes them feel good at the expense of another person. I made a lot of excuses initially for him in my head (maybe as a self defence mechanism) but ultimately he did this because he wanted to. Accepting that has been incredibly hard for me to do. What I have also learned though is that some things can add to the trauma. For example, it going on for months is worse than a one night stand. Finding out from the other woman is worse than a confession. And, being told by the cheater that they are sorry and love you and will never harm you again only to break NC several times when you are trying to recover is particularly traumatic. For me, that was what caused the deepest damage. That he did not immediately turn things around.
One additional question. You say you were betrayed twice before. You moved on quickly from those betrayals. Previous trauma can rear its ugly head when it happens again. Do you have any abandonment or trauma from childhood? Again this can resurface and stop you healing.
No, I don't have abandonment trauma from childhood. DP does. I can't articulate too well why this betrayal broke me and the others didn't. They were certainly more serious relationships. Maybe the short answer is: because this time, the one who betrayed me is the one I think I want to, and am mean to, grow old with. And I know that it will always be tainted now.
With regards to all the comments on leaving him and so on.
Re: him begging me to stay, yes he did. Was it manipulative and unfair? Maybe. I don't think that was his deliberate intention. I think he genuinely couldn't deal with it ending and the aftermath of all this was so chaotic for both of us. We were both just crying all the time for months on end. It was horrible. Wouldn't wish it on anyone.
I did go through the phases of total emotional turmoil and (worse) the rage. During the rage phase I did leave for a few months. During that time he gave me the space I asked for but made it clear he wasn't going anywhere and he'd wait whether I came back or not.
I think he was steadfast, patient, loving and I didn't feel pressured. I felt deeply loved, and that was why I came back.