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I forgave the unforgivable and now I'm not okay

239 replies

DooveyDay · 01/04/2024 11:07

Some years ago in the early-ish stages of our relationship, my partner had an affair that lasted several months. I will not tell the whole story here as it would be too long to read and probably doesn't add much value, but it involved a high degree of betrayal and humiliation.

At the time, and for a long time afterwards, I think it was impossible for me to process mentally that it was all real. I believed myself to be particularly cherished by him (he always said he was lunching above his weight) and this wasn't behavior I predicted from his general character.

As I said, it was early-ish days of our relationship. We were not married, we were not living together, we had no children, we had no financial links. Had he wanted to be in a relationship with the other woman rather than me, it certainly would have been easy to do so. She said she was in love with him.

However, he was adamant that he loved me and not her, and that he'd never wanted a relationship with her. He said it was a terrible mistake that just happened after a series of bad choices. He said I was the love of his life and he begged me to give him a second chance because the thought of life without me in it was unbearable. So, I did.

Had the story ended there, I think I would have healed up from this and we'd have gone on to be happy, but the immediate aftermath in the first six months after discovery was horrific and I think far worse than the cheating itself.

Firstly, it was obvious that he grieved the loss of the affair and found it difficult to let go of it. He made excuses to break his NC agreement and betrayed me over and over again during the time period he was supposed to be helping me heal. There were also times I briefly felt he wanted her and not me, that he was happier with her than me, although he denied this adamantly.

I can see now that his behavior over that period of time caused very deep psychological damage to me. It changed me in way I couldn't see at the time because I was just trying to survive it and make it stop rather than analysing much. Each time I tried to leave he would cry and beg and I would go back on new promises that were broken every time.

Eventually, he turned things around.

He worked with her, so he left his job for my sake and has never had contact with her since. He says now that she is irrelevant to him but that for a brief time he was addicted in a sense to the free adoration she gave him in the false world of the affair. He said it was never love, but more a desire to be admired and approved of and made to feel good in some way.

He stopped drinking completely and took up a lot of couples hobbies with me. He voluntarily changed a lot of things to create security for me, emotionally and in the wider scheme of life. He has spent many years being the perfect partner really, and if not for the history I would feel cherished and very lucky.

As a result of all that happened, I have dealt with hideous depression. I have cut myself off socially. I gave up my once much-loved work. I lost all confidence in myself as a person in more or less every aspect of my life. I have deep issues with trusting others or being vulnerable. I lost my interest in sex almost completely. For me, it feels like my life story ended some time ago and I am just going through the motions.

Through this, he is a rock and pillar. He dotes on me and there isn't anything I could ask for that he does not give. It doesn't matter how bad I feel, he is always there. The life he has given me now is exactly the one I always dreamed of and wanted and yet I cannot shake the pain and sadness that makes me feel like a stranger in it.

Not a day goes by that I don't struggle to understand how he once treated me so cruelly. I don't understand why he did it, why he wanted to do it, or how he was capable of it. He is unable to really explain that to me. He only promises he regrets ever minute of it, he will never leave and he will never harm me again.

I fantasise sometimes about packing a bag and disappearing so nobody has to come near me again. I feel so sad that anybody, let alone him, did things which changed me like this. I also feel bad and guilty that I haven't just "moved on".

I really don't know what to do.

I just wanted to know really if this is something anyone else has ever felt? I feel very alone.

OP posts:
Tontostitis · 01/04/2024 18:39

Leave and get on with your life you are not passive in this you played the pick me game and now get to keep the 'prize'. It's obviously not worth it so quit the game. As long as you make him responsible for your happiness you'll be unhappy he really can't do anymore now it's up to you.

fetchacloth · 01/04/2024 18:44

My exH had an affair after 8 years of marriage and I forgave him, however since then I had trust issues that wouldn't go away.
3 years later he had another affair and I divorced him. There were other unresolved issues in our marriage by then too, but the lack of trust really destroyed it for me.

TiaraBoo · 01/04/2024 18:53

I feel like you need some tough love, you need a therapist and to work through your depression and this situation properly with an end result of 1) you have a healthy/healthier mind and 2) either you truly forgive him or you split up.

Somehow you need to live your life. 💐🌻

MsCactus · 01/04/2024 18:53

OP I think your inner voice is unhappy with what he did, wants to leave and hates him.

You're tying yourself in knots trying to say that it's all your fault, you need to forgive him and move on, you're to blame...

STOP RIGHT NOW

You're not to blame. He is. Stop forcing yourself into a situation you don't want and listen to what you really want.

Leave him. And then get therapy so you can stop blaming yourself for his actions

OhMargaret · 01/04/2024 18:54

DooveyDay · 01/04/2024 12:45

I have felt a weight of some sort lift, for talking to people about this (which I never do. A few things.

  1. I have found solace in being busy at work - albeit work I do not enjoy as much as my old work, but I work very long hours. My partner says this is a coping mechanism, and while not the worst, he thinks I must find a way to heal beyond making myself too tired to think.

  2. Yes, I do have awful memory problems. I sometimes can't remember what I did yesterday. I know I went on a day trip but have no recollection. Time works differently for me now. The traumatic events feel like they occurred yesterday, my life story doesn't move forwards.

  3. I have no desire of any kind to punish him. He has paid a huge cost already for all this, and punishing him would actually just make me sad. I want him to be happy, he deserves to be.

@Itsonlymashadow
The best way I can explain why I think I don't want to get better, aside from my brain not really remembering how happiness felt, is that I feel on a very deep level that if I do, and I go back to that person I was that trusted and loved and hoped eternal - that someone might do this to me again. On a rational level I do not believe he ever would, but there is some survival instinct inside me that is like an abused dog under the bed biting anyone who puts their hand under.

The reason this affected me in quite the way it did was that I was a particularly trusting person who was very comfortable being vulnerable with others - even with the knowledge they might let me down. I experienced multiple past betrayals from partners. I was cheated on by my son's father and moved on very quickly - I just realised he wasn't the one for me and immediately left without much pain. I was also left once out of the blue by a partner I lived with who just decided he didn't love me anymore out of literally nowhere. That hurt very deeply, but I was able to make sense of it and move forward because it ultimately was caused by him not loving me.

In this case though, what made it hard to make sense of is that it doesn't add up. If you do truly love one person then to cheat on them, lie to them, humiliate them, and essentially do these awful things to them doesn't make sense. To get caught and to put them through six months of more lies, betrayal and cruelty makes zero sense. So perhaps that was why my brain was never able to close the book.

But, you are right, there is also a big part of me that feels if I push him away hard enough and he leaves me then I can be proved right. "You might be trying to push him away, or you believe he doesn’t really love you and if he decides enough is enough and leave you can be proved right". Yes, I feel this. As painful as that would be, it would make sense.

What instead, I see, is a man who loves me deeply. I am cherished. I can see that and feel it every day of my life. But I wasn't loved and cherished by this man once upon a time. What you say is right and people fuck up and he can't turn back time. I just wish there was a way my heart could tell itself a story that made all this add up.

His version? When we met, he was a mess and just wasn't ready. He had all sorts of childhood trauma influencing his choices and he was selfish and weak and didn't really trust that if he fully loved me and let himself do that, that anyone as great as me would stay. He says being with me taught him to love himself, and he would never make those same mistakes ever again.

OP depression is often a completely rational response to bad experiences - you don't want to move on because you want to protect yourself from ever being betrayed like that again. It makes sense and is completely rational. However, as you yourself hint at in your post, there are good and bad coping mechanisms with which to endure these feelings. A good therapist will help you develop ways to both protect yourself and stop hurting so much - I'd recommend it purely for your own sanity (and irrespective of what your partner wants - this particular aspect of your life is yours alone and nothing to do with him).

ChristmasFluff · 01/04/2024 18:58

You do sound very depressed, OP, and I do think therapy will help.

Within you is a younger self who was betrayed by him, but who was also betrayed by you yourself - because you didn't protect yourself by leaving him when it happened, or in the aftermath when he was behaving badly.

That younger part of you fears that if similar happens again, you will not protect yourself again.

When you don't trust yourself, it's impossible to trust anyone else, because of the fear of losing them. When you love and trust yourself, and know you will always have your back, you become free to trust others, because if they betray that trust, then you will protect yourself by leaving them, by understanding it is a measure of their character not yours, and by loving yourself through the situation.

A start, after booking in with your GP, would be to ask yourself 'what would I do today, if I loved myself?' And then do that.

It is cruel, that people are talking about a low bar when you are in so much pain. but the pain and the low bar come from the same place - a lack of self-love and trust. You are worthy of that, and therapy can help you to find it.

Arnia · 01/04/2024 19:01

This is really really extreme OP... you absolutely have to leave him if you are to ever feel joy again.

You can rebuild old friendships (I bet many would forgive the "ghosting" if they knew the why?) and focus on your family/pets/getting your job back.

He clearly did you immense damage but no one died so your life is not unsalvagable. The relationship is though. He needs to go. You need to find the strength to end it. Life is a privilege and you're wasting years of yours on someone who doesn't deserve your time.

I hope one way or another things improve for you soon as you sound very very low 💐

Puzzledandpissedoff · 01/04/2024 19:02

I truly think the "good people do bad things" really applies here...and, from what you've typed, I feel your DH is s good man who's done a (massively) bad thing. But I believe people can (and do) see their mistakes and the damage they have caused and intend to spend their lives dedicated to making amends. I feel your DH is that kind of man

I'd probably agree @CrunchingNumbers, were it not for this: "He made excuses to break his NC agreement and betrayed me over and over again during the time period he was supposed to be helping me heal"

I don't think OP said how long after the initial discovery this was, and it's true he now appears to be making an effort, but while we all make mistakes it's a lot for her to take on trust when the betrayal's been repeated over and over again

littleorchard45 · 01/04/2024 19:07

From someone who has experienced depression, you are depressed. Please get some help xx

beatrix1234 · 01/04/2024 19:09

OP you sound like you're suffering from clinical depression, I went through it 10 years ago and this is exactly how it sounds. You're blaming your depression on something that happened a long time ago and is no longer a problem but I believe there's deeper issues at large here that you don't want to face and that are causing you to be so depressed. You need to schedule a visit with your GP, maybe go on therapy and figure out what is really depressing you and how to make yourself happy.

crowisland · 01/04/2024 19:11

Find a therapist who specialises in PTSD. NOW! If you had diabetes would you resist your medication? Depression and trauma are very real and can be healed with the right treatment

Starlightstarbright3 · 01/04/2024 19:14

You are talking to the wrong person about this you don’t need yoga - you do need to see a Gp for depression ( I am on antidepressants not because I have a chemical imbalance but I am rasing a child with SN’s alone sometimes it is situational ) Anti depressants can give the emotions a break and chance to think through what you have lost .

It isn’t all or nothing . You don’t have to have 100% trust which in my opinion is often blind .

You have lost a job you loved / friends , you have lost some of yourself .

You never get to heal your wound is reopened all the time you are together - no wonder you don’t want to be with anyone . It gives you a break from the reminders of everything you have endured .

some people can move past an affair - some can’t . You don’t have to .

You Can move forward . He doesn’t get to decide how you do that

CrunchingNumbers · 01/04/2024 19:18

Puzzledandpissedoff · 01/04/2024 19:02

I truly think the "good people do bad things" really applies here...and, from what you've typed, I feel your DH is s good man who's done a (massively) bad thing. But I believe people can (and do) see their mistakes and the damage they have caused and intend to spend their lives dedicated to making amends. I feel your DH is that kind of man

I'd probably agree @CrunchingNumbers, were it not for this: "He made excuses to break his NC agreement and betrayed me over and over again during the time period he was supposed to be helping me heal"

I don't think OP said how long after the initial discovery this was, and it's true he now appears to be making an effort, but while we all make mistakes it's a lot for her to take on trust when the betrayal's been repeated over and over again

Totally agree with your last paragraph. Many cheaters dither and sit on fence...or physically bounce back and forward. Not arguing with that. Just think that DH truly sounds like he's doing the right thing NOW and is painfully aware of the damage he's caused. I'm only suggesting that treatment for (possible, I'm not Clinical) depression may help the OP and her way forward in dealing with this and seeing DH's efforts in a more positive light. Whether seeking help will enable positive movement forward, I don't know.

Scottishlady2 · 01/04/2024 19:33

Op this sounds like depression, probably linked to a Co dependency. You need to break free from him, from all he constantly reminds you of. You need to take steps to heal yourself and not endlessly introspect.
push yourself away from him, push yourself to get out there and live and eventually enjoy life. See the GP and a therapist.
This is no life for anyone, only you can change it

mathanxiety · 01/04/2024 19:35

Something very similar happened to a friend of mine. Twenty two years after they married, she decided to leave.

It took her a few years and a good deal of therapy to feel like herself again, like a woman living her authentic life, and she has said in hindsight she should have bade him farewell at the time of the betrayal.

It made a big difference to her to be physically separated from him, with no visible daily reminders of the pain he had put her through, no voice to remind her of the lies he had told, no household items to mock her by reminding her of the emptiness she felt despite the security and comfort of the four walls around her and the roof over her head.

mathanxiety · 01/04/2024 19:36

gamerchick · 01/04/2024 12:02

Problem is OP, the way you're emotionally living, not seeking help is a form of self harm and punishment for your bloke.

The only options you have are to end things with him and heal or get some help to move forward. Or you'll be stuck in limbo while the years pass you by.

Yes, agree.

DooveyDay · 01/04/2024 19:36

Sorry all for not replying, I was driving. I have read everyone's posts, they are all very helpful, thank you.

My main takeaway so far (aside from the much appreciated kindness from you all) is that seeing a GP is worth trying. I had felt it was pointless until I read these posts, but you've persuaded me it's worth a 10 minute appointment.

I did, as this was all happening, do everything I was "supposed" to do. I got counselling, I read the books on healing, I talked to people. I see now I was in some sort of panic phase then where I really didn't fully comprehend what was happening and I wasn't able to get anything meaningful beyond a bit of help coping at the time.

I am 47, yes, I suppose it's possible some menopause or something else has contributed to how I am feeling. It is very hard to see the wood from the trees. This feels very much to me a natural response to something that has - fairly simply - utterly broken my heart.

I will write more later as DP is here and keeps talking to me about the dinner!

OP posts:
mamacorn1 · 01/04/2024 19:37

He broke you, and the person who broke you cannot fix you. You have to move forward alone and get therapy in my opinion.

ButterflyTable · 01/04/2024 19:40

Hi OP, honestly this is a lot to read, it’s so deep. I’m not sure you’re well like PPs have said, you’ve really put your all into this and life is too short, you really must get some help. Speak to your GP and seriously consider some therapy. It doesn’t have to be like this, life is so much better. You are not to blame.

ButterflyTable · 01/04/2024 19:40

OP you need psychotherapy not counselling, you need an effective therapist.

daisychain01 · 01/04/2024 19:47

Puzzledandpissedoff · 01/04/2024 19:02

I truly think the "good people do bad things" really applies here...and, from what you've typed, I feel your DH is s good man who's done a (massively) bad thing. But I believe people can (and do) see their mistakes and the damage they have caused and intend to spend their lives dedicated to making amends. I feel your DH is that kind of man

I'd probably agree @CrunchingNumbers, were it not for this: "He made excuses to break his NC agreement and betrayed me over and over again during the time period he was supposed to be helping me heal"

I don't think OP said how long after the initial discovery this was, and it's true he now appears to be making an effort, but while we all make mistakes it's a lot for her to take on trust when the betrayal's been repeated over and over again

This man is so far from being a "good person" it's just not true.

he has held @DooveyDay to random after his ultimate betrayal, preventing her from leaving, even though leaving would have absolutely been the action that could have avoided all her pain and torture.

Each time I tried to leave he would cry and beg and I would go back on new promises that were broken every time.

he's a despicable, manipulative, selfish specimen.

mathanxiety · 01/04/2024 19:49

Yes, there has been a lot of hoovering/ manipulation.

MollyButton · 01/04/2024 19:52

I think you need to talk to your GP and honestly about your mental state.
Those episodes of not remembering sound like dissociating. It seems like quite a deep trauma, and as someone else said you need professional help not just a "counsellor" any decent one would recognise you are beyond their training.
Splitting with him is almost certainly one step.
Can you ask for space to work on your own mental health?

Correlation · 01/04/2024 19:52

OP, this is so incredibly sad and has really touched me because I have experienced similar feelings though the circumstances were quite different. I spent about a decade walking around like a ghost. All I can say is that I hope you find an answer that satisfies you somehow, just know that sometimes that answer is acceptance and ownership and not seeing yourself as a victim. I wish you all the best.

Devonshiregal · 01/04/2024 19:54

mathanxiety · 01/04/2024 19:49

Yes, there has been a lot of hoovering/ manipulation.

What’s hoovering? I feel like I know but maybe not?