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Well now my self esteem is in tatters

232 replies

Beepbeep18 · 24/02/2024 09:21

Few dates in with a man. On Thursday evening mid way through sex he says he ‘just doesnt find me that physically attractive’. Stopped and asked why he’d pursued dates before listing all the reasons I was a great catch and throwing him out of my house. Is this not just awful to say when vulnerable and also how do I now piece together my self esteem again lol

OP posts:
AstralSpace · 24/02/2024 14:15

Op he found you attractive because you are! He's the one with issues projecting them over you.
What a despicable human being.
You just hold your head up high and be proud of all you are.

Kittensat36 · 24/02/2024 14:27

I can see a balding tubby man clawing at the pavement as he is dragged back by a clawed hand into her house -which has become a smoky, flaming portal to hell. There he will die a lingering death beginning with knob rot. OP will be able to watch from a gilded throne, while sipping on a drink of choice.

He's not improved with your updates. I was mmmm, maybe ED, when I read your op, but saying this the second time he slept with you?

Nah you handled it like a boss.

Beepbeep18 · 24/02/2024 14:37

weve slept together a fair bit. We’d also just finished having a conversation about my nerves around this (newish) dating situation and feeling unconfident.

OP posts:
AngelinaFibres · 24/02/2024 14:41

Beepbeep18 · 24/02/2024 09:50

I possibly am not the most physically gorgeous person but I am funny and extremely kind. Been repeating this for a while to myself

When my first husband was leaving me ( and his children aged 3 and 2) he said " You are physically repulsive and having sex with you makes my flesh crawl".Apparently he'd had to visualise his 17 year old girlfriend in order to get through it. Nice. It took me a long time to get over that, even though I knew it wasn't true ,so I absolutely get how 'rancid' ( as you put it) you feel. My second husband fancies the pants off me . Forget this tosspot Op and find a man who appreciates you.

CheerfulBardo · 24/02/2024 14:42

User135644 · 24/02/2024 09:45

Women often mock men's bodies too. Some people are just not nice.

Yes, women are well known for mocking men’s bodies in the middle of sex, and vocally blaming the fact that they don’t think they’re going to orgasm on the man’s attractiveness. 🙄

TheBayLady · 24/02/2024 15:47

What a disgusting vile hateful man he is. Block him. Take the lesson that needs to be learned from this.

fiddlemeg · 24/02/2024 15:54

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Patrickiscrazy · 24/02/2024 16:33

A sorry piece of sh*t.
You will get your confidence back, with time. 💝

SunflowerTed · 24/02/2024 16:38

Don’t let this utter bell end ruin your confidence. Block and find somebody worthy xxx

Inthepinc · 24/02/2024 16:54

OP, I know the way this weedling little scote has behaved has left you feeling fragile, but I just wanted to say I think you’re awesome. The way you handled his awful behaviour was just chef’s kiss perfect. What he said hurts because it’s designed to, unfortunately. I agree with PPs that it’s negging- it says more about his pathetic need to disassemble women’s self esteem to prop up his own fragile ego than it will ever say about the awesomeness that is you. He kept going on dates with you, why on earth would he do that if he didn’t have to? I’m assuming you weren’t holding a gun to his head! Then he waited until he thought you were really into him and at your most emotionally vulnerable (when you were having sex and saying nice things about him) to launch what he thought would be the killer blow to take you down a peg or two, more eager to please him, and therefore make himself feel better. If he truly believed what he said then believe me he’d have been saying far worse when you chucked him out. What’s more the grovelling messages afterwards shows he knows he screwed it up and he’s now trying to rewrite history to cover his arse and make you feel sorry for him- yet more manipulation. He definitely wouldn’t have bothered doing that if he wasn’t that attracted to you. Luckily you handled it like a complete boss shero. As a pathetic man who can only feel good by putting other people down his myopic little world view couldn’t countenance the fact that you would have any self respect either, especially after he’d delivered what he thought would be his killer blow put down. Thank goodness you found out about his weaselling, manipulative ways relatively early on. These pathetic creatures only escalate their behaviour over time. I know it’s hurting now, but remember half of mumnet are slightly in love with you right now because of your awesomeness in showing this slug the kerb where he belongs 😍

Planesmistakenforstars · 24/02/2024 17:01

I'm not surprised it hurts, that's what he intended. It's negging. It's not true, it's designed to make you feel like shit, make you feel less than him and do anything to keep him around. Good for you kicking him out. Imagine being such a complete loser that you manage to convince a kind, funny, intelligent woman to sleep with you and you get kicked out during the act because you're such a sad little man.

Patrickiscrazy · 24/02/2024 17:08

Kittensat36 · 24/02/2024 14:27

I can see a balding tubby man clawing at the pavement as he is dragged back by a clawed hand into her house -which has become a smoky, flaming portal to hell. There he will die a lingering death beginning with knob rot. OP will be able to watch from a gilded throne, while sipping on a drink of choice.

He's not improved with your updates. I was mmmm, maybe ED, when I read your op, but saying this the second time he slept with you?

Nah you handled it like a boss.

😖😂😂☕

Alchemistress · 24/02/2024 17:48

I'm in my 50s and tubby and average looking but my husband adores me. I can assure you that this is absolutely not about you or how you look and everything about his own inadequacies.

This morning I was sitting on the train to work and there was a group of 4 blokes chatting VERY LOUDLY about the women they intended sleeping with this evening after the football/ pub. Pictures were passed around and all of the men commented on the women's pictures in various awful degrading ways. It was horrible to hear. They then were clearly watching some porn and passing that around too. It was absolutely vile.

They were nothing to write home about to look at either - to listen to them you'd think that the women would be crawling over broken glass to get at them. But no, just your usual dim, creepy young men in their 20s.

Just before I got off I went over and sat myself down on a seat opposite two of them and said ( very calmly, very conversationally, as I'd been practising in my head for the last few stops)

" Hello lads. Couldn't help overhearing your conversation there. Now I'm old and you probably won't listen to what I'm about to say. But one day some of you will have children and some of those children will be girls. And I don't think that you'd like to think that there were men like yourselves talking about your own daughters 'fucking huge gash' on public transport. So maybe you afford the women you're treating like shit the same respect, eh?"

I'd like to say that I was able to seamlessly finish my speech and glide off the train at my stop without breaking stride, while they sat in stunned and reverential silence, but instead I was left standing at the doors pressing the button helplessly while the train just sat at Denmark Hill for what seemed like an eternity while they called me a fat stupid cunt. Eventually the doors opened and I ran away.

I can only hope that I shamed just one of them even a little bit. I'm continually saddened by the way I see and hear men speak about women.

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 24/02/2024 18:10

@Alchemistress

Oh. I wish I was in your carriage. They
May have acted that way in front of each other but maybe that but if
Shame may help in the future.

Still. Well done for trying Flowers

Voiceover64 · 24/02/2024 18:22

@Alchemistress - you sound sensational - just my kind of woman and I also wish I'd been on the train with you too just to see their faces!

And OP - what an absolute turd he sounds. Sorry you had to deal with that. I've had something similar and yes, it hurts at the time, but remember this is all about HIM and absolutely nothing to do with you. You are smashing - always remember that! 😘

Beepbeep18 · 24/02/2024 18:24

I really appreciate this. What’s actually nice is 5 years ago I probably wouldn’t have kicked him out, but I did this time. Progress in small ways ey

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Tryingmybestadhd · 24/02/2024 18:36

I am not a betting person but I bet he had ED problems and couldn’t keep it up and tried to somehow leave the situation by blaming you ! No normal guy stops sex mid way to say he changed his mind unless something when wrong with his d*k

pinusscotus · 24/02/2024 18:55

You handled it perfectly - keep telling yourself that you're bloody great and attractive and kind and that you deserve the absolute best from whoever you're with. I hope that haunts him for the rest of his life, stupid bugger. And I agree with the ED theory but how dare he project his own insecurities onto you.

Atethehalloweenchocs · 24/02/2024 18:58

Hideous man. Hope his willy falls off. You deserve so much better, OP. Dont let him dent your self esteem - this was so not about you and so about what a moron he is.

Atethehalloweenchocs · 24/02/2024 18:59

Oh, I had another thought - do you think he was going to try to push the sexual boundaries with you as you desperately tried to how him you were attractive?

5128gap · 24/02/2024 18:59

If he's getting on a bit he probably has performance issues, knew he wasn't capable of completing the act and so told you that to save face.

Lollypop701 · 24/02/2024 19:03

Tryingmybestadhd · 24/02/2024 18:36

I am not a betting person but I bet he had ED problems and couldn’t keep it up and tried to somehow leave the situation by blaming you ! No normal guy stops sex mid way to say he changed his mind unless something when wrong with his d*k

This!!!!!!!! With bells on

baileybrosbuildingandloan · 24/02/2024 20:07

Just checking... he don't say

"Don't just find you....."

Rather than

"I just don't find you..."

Did he?

Sceptical123 · 24/02/2024 22:06

Beepbeep18 · 24/02/2024 09:21

Few dates in with a man. On Thursday evening mid way through sex he says he ‘just doesnt find me that physically attractive’. Stopped and asked why he’d pursued dates before listing all the reasons I was a great catch and throwing him out of my house. Is this not just awful to say when vulnerable and also how do I now piece together my self esteem again lol

In light of your later post, could this guy be ND?

Did he say something like “I’m sorry I just can’t say I find you physically attractive-“

meaning he didn’t know how to phrase it without coming across as cheesy/sleazy, or bc he finds social communication challenging. I know it sounds like a reach but there are a lot of ND ppl out there, some with mild symptoms, and who may have gone their whole lives without being formally diagnosed.

I’m saying it’s not impossible.

Do you think he intended to go on to say something else which would shed light on this inappropriate statement and you possibly (understandably) cut him off before he could do so, and he was thrown and unable to clarify in that suddenly dramatic situation?

Just trying to think of a plausible scenario where a brown man would think that was ok. He obviously didn’t expect you to get upset, so unless he was draped in red flags and seemed an utterly arrogant misogynist with no internal filter, it’s maybe worth keeping an open mind. The fact he was apologetic etc would indicate he feels sorry for what happened - if he was the type to genuinely find you unattractive while having sex with you and tell you, why would he bother to do that?

Sceptical123 · 24/02/2024 22:09

baileybrosbuildingandloan · 24/02/2024 20:07

Just checking... he don't say

"Don't just find you....."

Rather than

"I just don't find you..."

Did he?

@baileybrosbuildingandloan A really good point