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Is this financial abuse

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Liliana2323 · 22/02/2024 21:54

Hi, ill try to summarise as it's a long, 18yr story!

  • met when I was 22, hubby was 30
  • I had no assets, he had 2 rental properties
  • he got made redundant and suggested a move to Europe, I gave up my career and followed him
  • have both worked online for the last 15yrs
  • he bought house we're in outright. Not a million pound villa but a 200k huge renovation project. Both funded the renovations, he has done a lot of physical work on and off over the last 10 years
  • married with a prenup for his rental properties and the one we're living in
  • I started new business 7yrs ago, doing well
  • he hasn't worked for 18 months so far, nor done renovations (until a couple of weeks ago)
  • house still needs a lot of work, still dont even have 1 fully functioning bathroom!

So the main issue here is that he is quite financially controlling. We use his personal account for day to day bills and expenses, or my business card. my business dividends goes 50/50 to our personal accounts (as he set himself up as a 50% shareholder), then I have to immediately transfer mine to his account. If I go to the supermarket (rare, as he took over that role), or away for a family visit in the UK (twice a year max), he gives me a spare card in his name. He has a couple of loans we effectively both pay + savings, pension, investments and the 2 cars are both in his name.

This arrangement never felt quite right but whenever ive tried in the past to broach the subject it turns nasty and nothing ever changes, despite promises to have a joint account, him to invest money for me, me to have a pension etc it never happens.

It has come to a head for me really as we're 5 months pregnant with a first, long awaited baby. For the first 4 months he didn't seem interested at all, in fact he was quite difficult to be around and we had a lot of arguments with him saying quite horrific things about me/us. I felt terrible, had to sleep on an ancient mattress in the spare room (he snores) and generally uncared for and unsupported. Since Christmas he has in general been quite nice, despite a couple of nasty arguments.

I am thinking of whether to leave or not because i'm panicking about the future, whether we'll stay together, will I end up a single mum in a foreign country with an unfair custody situation and struggling to make ends meet, or should I go back to the UK and my family and friends. If I stayed abroad and we then divorced, I wouldn't be allowed to move back to the UK with my baby, unless he agreed.

I suppose i'm just wondering if this is really classed as financial abuse? Or just a stupid situation which has developed over the years, unintentionally?

I think i'm a bit of a pushover with him and I hate conflict. He's quite loud and aggressive so I have avoided the issue but enough is enough now, with a baby and our future to consider. I tried to talk about my concerns a few nights ago, he shouted a lot, told me he paid for this house and I should be grateful etc but nothing has changed since financially.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts!

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WomanInBlack78 · 24/02/2024 13:39

Calling you the narcissist is classic textbook narcissistic abuse to make you question yourself. Don’t fall for it. Shouting at you while you’re pregnant is awful. Happened to me too. I’m pleased you’re leaving

AutumnFroglets · 24/02/2024 13:44

I'm now racking my brains trying to figure out how i'm the narcissist in all this?

Google "Why does he do that free pdf download" it is by Lundy Bancroft. Read it when you can. It will give you clarity of thought and explains it all very easily. It is not you, it is him. Stop trying to figure out the why - he does it because he can. That is the only reason.

Zanatdy · 24/02/2024 14:04

I think you’d be mad to stay. Men like this get much worse when babies come, little sleep, massive change to their routine, seriously i’d get out whilst you can or it will get much much harder for you and your daughter to leave him

Liliana2323 · 24/02/2024 15:00

@bellyneptune Thank you! I've been trying to get advice on this for ages but seem to get varied advice! My family law solicitor said to just set up a new bank account but it's not that simple, most seem to want the agreement of both PSCs (although I am the only director). The only temporary solution ive found is a Wise account for any new incoming payments (as they are happy with just the director to verify it) but I need to use the balance of the original account to pay o/s supplier invoices and I could do with the rest of the money in there really as a director's loan, or something asap!

I also need to change the reg address for the business and have the form to post off.
He deals with our accountant who files everything online! Maybe I can contact him when i've left and say he needs to deal with me now?

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Liliana2323 · 24/02/2024 15:13

@WomanInBlack78 it's happened so many times over the years, I regularly question if im the problem as that's what he claims but since being pregnant i've realised that even if i'm quiet in response, he still shouts his head off. Then he blames me for his bad back flaring up, when it's purely down to his shouting and anger! All so tiring. I'm definitely getting out and i'm really glad he's shown his true colours again as he almost had me fooled that things had changed! I have tried to say don't shout, the baby can hear you now but he doesn't stop.

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Liliana2323 · 24/02/2024 15:17

Thanks @Zanatdy that was what really spurred me on to get out of here, there's no way she will be exposed to this. I really think he's got worse since i've been pregnant which isn't a good sign! I cant wait to leave. Latest plan is he goes out snowboarding one day next week (day tbc) then the horse rescue lady comes to collect 2 of the horses, me, my dog and as many belongings as will fit in her car. Then I stay at hers or in a bnb until the 3rd when the other transport company comes to get me, dog etc to go to the UK. Feeling stressed as i'd rather get straight back to the UK but there's no other way

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whatsitcalledwhen · 24/02/2024 16:00

Liliana2323 · 24/02/2024 15:13

@WomanInBlack78 it's happened so many times over the years, I regularly question if im the problem as that's what he claims but since being pregnant i've realised that even if i'm quiet in response, he still shouts his head off. Then he blames me for his bad back flaring up, when it's purely down to his shouting and anger! All so tiring. I'm definitely getting out and i'm really glad he's shown his true colours again as he almost had me fooled that things had changed! I have tried to say don't shout, the baby can hear you now but he doesn't stop.

When you read this back OP, can you see how worrying it is that you say you think he will be a good dad?

whatsitcalledwhen · 24/02/2024 16:03

Liliana2323 · 24/02/2024 15:17

Thanks @Zanatdy that was what really spurred me on to get out of here, there's no way she will be exposed to this. I really think he's got worse since i've been pregnant which isn't a good sign! I cant wait to leave. Latest plan is he goes out snowboarding one day next week (day tbc) then the horse rescue lady comes to collect 2 of the horses, me, my dog and as many belongings as will fit in her car. Then I stay at hers or in a bnb until the 3rd when the other transport company comes to get me, dog etc to go to the UK. Feeling stressed as i'd rather get straight back to the UK but there's no other way

Stay strong OP, remember almost everything else can be sorted once you're back in the UK Flowers

Zanatdy · 24/02/2024 19:28

Liliana2323 · 24/02/2024 15:17

Thanks @Zanatdy that was what really spurred me on to get out of here, there's no way she will be exposed to this. I really think he's got worse since i've been pregnant which isn't a good sign! I cant wait to leave. Latest plan is he goes out snowboarding one day next week (day tbc) then the horse rescue lady comes to collect 2 of the horses, me, my dog and as many belongings as will fit in her car. Then I stay at hers or in a bnb until the 3rd when the other transport company comes to get me, dog etc to go to the UK. Feeling stressed as i'd rather get straight back to the UK but there's no other way

You can do it, it will feel stressful but once you’re out of the there that’s a big relief. Remember no abuser is horrible all the time, that’s why women stay, but they always revert back to it. Stay safe and please keep us updated, we will be rooting for you and your pets

Liliana2323 · 24/02/2024 21:07

@whatsitcalledwhen yes totally, what I really meant was that he will love her and he's great with kids (and adults), fun to be around, just not if you live with him! Maybe he'd be really lovely to her but I don't want her witnessing how he is to me really

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Liliana2323 · 24/02/2024 21:17

Thanks @Zanatdy and @whatsitcalledwhen I cant believe i'm actually at this point finally, have to see it through now. I have been positioning things round the place so I can grab them easily on the day, haven't even unpacked from my trip to the UK a week ago and left my case in the wardrobe (he hasn't noticed). Organising the transport has been a total nightmare as I will only have 5-6 hours to move the animals, myself and all my stuff and can't get caught out! 😬 thanks so much for all of your support and advice, it has been just what I needed to spur me on as I just can't afford to get stuck here with him, ill most likely be kicking myself for ever. It's sad really as I used to tell my old dog regularly throughout his life that one day we'd go and live in a small cottage together, with peace and no drama. I used to daydreak about it. He used to hide next to me when he shouted. But we had a lot of good periods mixed in, so it was hard to leave.

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Agapornis · 24/02/2024 23:24

Some UK banks now have special provisions for people who have experienced financial abuse. Perhaps you could call the bank(s) you and the business are with and ask about it?

survivingeconomicabuse.org/i-need-help/banking/how-banks-can-help/#Reporting_economic_abuse_to_your_bank_or_building_society

AhNowTed · 25/02/2024 00:20

@Liliana2323 so glad you've reached out and seen it for what it is.

Many women obviously don't and lead a half-life of no control and walking on eggshells.

Onwards and upwards and don't look back.

The very best of luck to you OP.

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OhamIreally · 25/02/2024 06:20

That's so sad about your poor old dog cowering whilst your soon to be ex shouted.

Thank god you won't be saying that to your daughter in years to come.

Liliana2323 · 25/02/2024 06:59

@OhamIreally it is sad. He was a more sensitive soul than my current dog, and used to hate fireworks and loud noises. This girl doesn't like it when he shouts but doesn't overly worry, then again, she's only 2 and it's the norm 😬 can't risk that happening to a child too

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HomeTheatreSystem · 25/02/2024 12:15

OP have you heard of globalarrk? It's a charity that helps those who are caught in broken relationships abroad with young children. I know that at the moment your child is not yet born but should you ever be persuaded to return abroad, it has a lot of information about how to protect yourself. It all sounds horribly stressful and awful for you. He sounds like a horror tbh. Wishing you the very best of luck.

purkey97 · 25/02/2024 17:35

OP, you said: 'it turns nasty' when you try to broach the subject of money, when you got pregnant 'he was quite difficult to be around and we had a lot of arguments with him saying quite horrific things about me/us' and you've had a few 'nasty arguments' already since Xmas. I don't just think he's financially abusive, it sounds like he's emotionally abusive. A relationship is not meant to be nasty. This man sounds like a real piece of work and you deserve better.

Liliana2323 · 26/02/2024 07:29

So we had a big row last night as he seemed to want to reignite things from the other day. He had been trying to instigate an argument all day. Maybe he needed a drink as he hadn't had one on Saturday night (hungover from Friday when he was out till 2.30am although didn't admit it). I tried to walk away twice but he didn't let me, then went on and on until he complained of chest pains and then told me we must stop and leave it! Apparently he thinks I don't like him. I said actually I love you but no, I don't like you when you're like this. In the end he managed to twist it all round into poor old him despite him being obnoxious on Friday evening to me which was the catalyst for an argument on Saturday morning , and went to sit in the summer house in the cold like a martyr all evening (no need as there are 2 sitting rooms) and sent me a WhatsApp saying not to reply as he was going to block me and that he was so upset etc then stormed back into the house drunk at midnight shouting. It's now like i'm the bad guy and he says he feels really bad about himself as if it's my fault. I swear in the last few years he's turned into a real ogre! Stupidly I still feel really sad about losing how good things used to be and the future we had planned but everything changed a few years ago, we started ivf, then with covid, his estranged brother died, he lost his job in 2022, his new dog has had failed hip dysplasia ops etc etc but i'd hoped having a baby would be something great for us after the ivf but it seems to have driven us further apart. On top of that there is the financial abuse which he doesn't think is a big issue. It's just so sad. I know when I leave we'll never have a chance of fixing things but I can't risk staying 😥

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Pashazade · 26/02/2024 07:36

Stay strong OP, you know in your heart of hearts you're doing the right thing. Just remember when he realises you're serious about leaving the country, avoid being alone with him. Don't agree to meet him, he will probably turn on the waterworks and play the victim, whilst obviously he does this now he may turn it up a notch. Remember his behaviour is not your fault and he is choosing to be a moron and ruin his own chances. You've got this and everyone on here will be rooting for you to get out and be free to live your life the way you want to, no arguments, no sulking and control of your own money!

Liliana2323 · 26/02/2024 10:18

@purkey97 it's all messing with my mind as he claims i've been horrible since I became pregnant, whereas i'm convinced he was the one being horrible and unsupportive ahhhh who is it? I have started to see things in a different perspective since being pregnant that's for sure and I'd expected him to be excited but je seems more scared then anything!

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AutumnFroglets · 26/02/2024 10:37

@Liliana2323 Look up emotional and mental abuse. They are intertwined with financial abuse. It is harder to think of yourself as an abused woman if he doesn't sexually or physically abuse you but you are. You are giving out classic examples.

Also look up boiled frog. I totally understand how difficult it is for you to see it, and why you keep thinking it might be you, but that's because he's "trained" you to think like that.

I can't wait to see your update that you and the ponies are loaded up ready to go. Stay safe (and try to stop arguing, you might blurt out your plans) ❤

Liliana2323 · 27/02/2024 20:20

Hi ladies! Having a serious wobble and "what the hell am I doing?" moment. I finally plucked up the courage to agree to my mum and dad booking flights to come and rescue me tomorrow and the horses to be collected but he's been really nice since the weekend. He was horrible fri, sat, sun although tried to make out it was all caused by me (it really wasn't) but now he's being so nice and like the man he used to be, not grumpy and short-tempered! Then I saw a video of my sister, her little boy and his father sharing a special family moment together and feel so guilty for making that impossible for him and our future baby. I really hope i'm doing the right thing as i'm painfully aware there's no coming back from this, it will be life-changing!

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TwilightSkies · 27/02/2024 20:28

OP you need to stay strong and go with your parents. Trust me he will not magically turn into a nice caring person, you matter how much you want him to. You have to put yourself and the baby first.
Once you are away from him and have a bit of breathing space you’ll realise quite how abusive he is.
I know starting from scratch seems scary but it’s a million times better than being chained to this horrible man!

AhNowTed · 27/02/2024 20:39

He's probably noticed a change in your demeanour so he's turning on the charm to reel you back in. It's a classic move.

Liliana2323 · 27/02/2024 20:42

Thanks @TwilightSkies you are right. I'm now stupidly questioning myself, "is he really that bad?", "there are worse out there!", "but he does have some really nice qualities!". the build-up to this feels like a blur. Think I'm just really tired 😫

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