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Is this financial abuse

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Liliana2323 · 22/02/2024 21:54

Hi, ill try to summarise as it's a long, 18yr story!

  • met when I was 22, hubby was 30
  • I had no assets, he had 2 rental properties
  • he got made redundant and suggested a move to Europe, I gave up my career and followed him
  • have both worked online for the last 15yrs
  • he bought house we're in outright. Not a million pound villa but a 200k huge renovation project. Both funded the renovations, he has done a lot of physical work on and off over the last 10 years
  • married with a prenup for his rental properties and the one we're living in
  • I started new business 7yrs ago, doing well
  • he hasn't worked for 18 months so far, nor done renovations (until a couple of weeks ago)
  • house still needs a lot of work, still dont even have 1 fully functioning bathroom!

So the main issue here is that he is quite financially controlling. We use his personal account for day to day bills and expenses, or my business card. my business dividends goes 50/50 to our personal accounts (as he set himself up as a 50% shareholder), then I have to immediately transfer mine to his account. If I go to the supermarket (rare, as he took over that role), or away for a family visit in the UK (twice a year max), he gives me a spare card in his name. He has a couple of loans we effectively both pay + savings, pension, investments and the 2 cars are both in his name.

This arrangement never felt quite right but whenever ive tried in the past to broach the subject it turns nasty and nothing ever changes, despite promises to have a joint account, him to invest money for me, me to have a pension etc it never happens.

It has come to a head for me really as we're 5 months pregnant with a first, long awaited baby. For the first 4 months he didn't seem interested at all, in fact he was quite difficult to be around and we had a lot of arguments with him saying quite horrific things about me/us. I felt terrible, had to sleep on an ancient mattress in the spare room (he snores) and generally uncared for and unsupported. Since Christmas he has in general been quite nice, despite a couple of nasty arguments.

I am thinking of whether to leave or not because i'm panicking about the future, whether we'll stay together, will I end up a single mum in a foreign country with an unfair custody situation and struggling to make ends meet, or should I go back to the UK and my family and friends. If I stayed abroad and we then divorced, I wouldn't be allowed to move back to the UK with my baby, unless he agreed.

I suppose i'm just wondering if this is really classed as financial abuse? Or just a stupid situation which has developed over the years, unintentionally?

I think i'm a bit of a pushover with him and I hate conflict. He's quite loud and aggressive so I have avoided the issue but enough is enough now, with a baby and our future to consider. I tried to talk about my concerns a few nights ago, he shouted a lot, told me he paid for this house and I should be grateful etc but nothing has changed since financially.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts!

OP posts:
Jk8 · 28/02/2024 21:05

I'd imagine he knows its over & that this is the year your leaving hence the switch from treating you like shit to being nice to insisting you get back into fighting because his niceties have not got you fawning over him

If I was you I'd just pack up & leave absolutely do not have a baby with him in europe!

Myopicglass · 28/02/2024 21:09

You need to get home before the baby is here. If not he can make up remain abroad until the baby is 18. You need to leave. Keep evidence of the abuse too.

Myopicglass · 28/02/2024 21:12

You are currently smoking the Hopium. Put down the pipe and Get out asap!

TwilightSkies · 29/02/2024 07:04

If you stay, once he realises he has you trapped his true colours will come out in full force.
Do you really think staying with an abusive man and being isolated in a foreign country will be less hard than leaving him now?

HenndigoOZ · 29/02/2024 07:29

Good luck, I am glad your parents are coming to rescue you. Please push through the wobble and go back with them. Honestly, the control will get worse after the baby is born as you will have to stay in France until the baby is 18 and be trapped there long term due to the international laws keeping the child there. He is not going to change, he is 48 and he sounds like the type that would go to court to force you back with the baby if you went back after the birth.
Please listen to that inner voice in your head that brought you to ask the question in the forum. We are telling you that voice is entirely right.

delphi13 · 29/02/2024 22:26

Hoping you got out safe today. x

Liliana2323 · 29/02/2024 23:38

@delphi13 thank you x it has been delayed until tomorrow as he went snowboarding but wasn't sure if he was staying over or not till about 6pm, so I couldn't risk it unfortunately. Nearly chickened out in the interim but plan is back on for tomorrow. It's such a big step. It'll either be something ill regret forever or not, finding it had to know for sure at this point! X

OP posts:
Charliecatpaws · 01/03/2024 00:53

@Liliana2323 I've not read WHT but I've read all your posts, please go with your parent and wishing you all the best (hugs). I've been through coercive control before it was a crime and really feel for you

TwilightSkies · 01/03/2024 06:39

You won’t regret leaving OP. You’ll regret staying. For SO many reasons.
We are all rooting for you!!!

Liliana2323 · 01/03/2024 06:56

@TwilightSkies is it normal to feel so sad? He sent me a message this morning and I couldn't stop crying. I feel like ive let him/us down by not trying hard to fix things, counselling etc it's not like he beats me up, he just needs to sort out his moodiness, drinking, give me my business, joint accounts and stop being so self obsessed!

OP posts:
TwilightSkies · 01/03/2024 07:02

You haven’t let him down. He has let YOU down in the way he has treated you. You have become so used to his behaviour that you can’t see just how bad it is. He is abusive and I can promise you he won’t change. He’s shown you who he is.

But yes, it’s normal to feel sad. Thinking about how things could have been, if he hadn’t treated you so badly. Overwhelmed that you are making a big change. But change is always scary, that doesn’t mean you should resist it. You are able to take back control of your life now.

You deserve to be loved and cherished and respected.

Mounttidyflowers · 01/03/2024 07:09

I went back for a break. Bought a return ticket. Never returned. The British Embassy advised me to do this. I actually left without him knowing and told him when I’d landed. The break was what u said. I was really leaving. I luckily had kept my own home in the uk and not rented. I took a suitcase of what I could carry. Never went back, despite threats and rows and him ringing my phone 50 times an hour.

Mounttidyflowers · 01/03/2024 07:11

Typo meant ‘I’ not u.

I was the victim of DV which started by love bombing, pregnancy got worse.

Mumnet taught me so much. I’m now fully aware of red flags.

Stay safe OP.

Treegarden · 01/03/2024 07:14

I'm so sorry you are in this situation.

Can you still run your business from the UK? I would set up a new business account. You can do this via online accounts contact and change payment details to all your clients to transfer all the money to this account. Try revolut I think you can make it paperless. Then at least all the money would be going to a personal account for you even if it's for the last month.

You can do this. Make sure when you leave you change all email and passwords. All you need is you and the animals leave everything else and start fresh. I would call a UK Solicitors's too.

Good luck and keep us posted x

HomeTheatreSystem · 01/03/2024 07:28

Liliana2323 · 01/03/2024 06:56

@TwilightSkies is it normal to feel so sad? He sent me a message this morning and I couldn't stop crying. I feel like ive let him/us down by not trying hard to fix things, counselling etc it's not like he beats me up, he just needs to sort out his moodiness, drinking, give me my business, joint accounts and stop being so self obsessed!

Quite normal: you've made a bit of a power shift in your favour which feels odd to you. If he wants to change, he can rectify all the finances and the business IN THE UK, not a place where you are isolated and unprotected. He can give up drink and be a better person. It's all up to him now. Nothing stopping him from making those changes. Do not under any circumstances go back based on his promises to change. Well done for getting out!

Needapadlockonmyfridge · 01/03/2024 07:29

I have just read your thread.
You've got this.
You're definitely doing the right thing.
Good luck x

SoEmbarrassed2024 · 01/03/2024 07:32

it's not like he beats me up, he just needs to sort out his moodiness, drinking, give me my business, joint accounts and stop being so self obsessed!

Read that back OP, that is an awful lot of 'he just' (and you are missing the biggest one which is give you equal access to the money!)

You are not letting him down, you are just taking control of YOUR life back

Pashazade · 01/03/2024 07:48

You can do this OP, s a pp said he can still make all those changes, if he has some road to Damascus moment and realises how shitty he's been he can change. But he can do this whilst you're safely on the UK side of the channel, not trapped where you can't leave. Then he can come and prove it to you. But please please please do not leave yourself stuck in such a precarious spot. Keep reaching out, someone will be here to cheerlead you through. We all want you safe.

Fallenangelofthenorth · 01/03/2024 08:14

Liliana2323 · 01/03/2024 06:56

@TwilightSkies is it normal to feel so sad? He sent me a message this morning and I couldn't stop crying. I feel like ive let him/us down by not trying hard to fix things, counselling etc it's not like he beats me up, he just needs to sort out his moodiness, drinking, give me my business, joint accounts and stop being so self obsessed!

Just? That's quite a long list, and none of those issues are trivial.

You are doing the right thing. Once you've ripped the plaster off you can start to heal.

hellsBells246 · 01/03/2024 08:31

Liliana2323 · 23/02/2024 09:40

Thanks. I'm in this habit of making excuses for him and trying to blame myself. It's particularly hard as he's been extra nice recently, finishing the bathroom (it was started over 2 years ago 😅) and talking about the future. Just now he said he's going to try to call Natwest again about a joint account etc. Will it ever happen?! I feel bad thinking of leaving when he's trying to improve things but I asked him to over a year ago

He can sense that you're pulling away and is doing all he can to suck you back in.

Don't listen. He should have sorted out a joint account 15 years ago.

He's horrific, op. Get out before you have your baby, or you'll be even more stuck.

hellsBells246 · 01/03/2024 08:36

SoEmbarrassed2024 · 01/03/2024 07:32

it's not like he beats me up, he just needs to sort out his moodiness, drinking, give me my business, joint accounts and stop being so self obsessed!

Read that back OP, that is an awful lot of 'he just' (and you are missing the biggest one which is give you equal access to the money!)

You are not letting him down, you are just taking control of YOUR life back

Op, he's really done a number on you. I advisecyou to get counselling when you're in the UK so you can unpick why you have put up with this treatment over the years and so you can set some boundaries around your next relationship.

Liliana2323 · 01/03/2024 09:25

@hellsBells246 thanks x I don't see myself ever wanting another relationship to be honest!

OP posts:
hellsBells246 · 01/03/2024 09:29

Liliana2323 · 01/03/2024 09:25

@hellsBells246 thanks x I don't see myself ever wanting another relationship to be honest!

Maybe not, and I can understand that. I just think counselling will help you in general.

OhamIreally · 01/03/2024 12:09

Hope today is going ok @Liliana2323 I expect you are on your way back to the uk by now.

OnGoldenPond · 01/03/2024 12:29

Liliana2323 · 28/02/2024 12:55

So annoying as he's trying to sort out the bank accounts at the moment, talking of our baby-moon 🙄 and our next house etc im awarecI can't come back from this decision and im putting my poor animals through the stress of the move but I suppose I don't have all the time in the world to figure this out 😥

OK so he's "trying" to sort out the bank accounts, he's "talking" about a baby moon and a new house in the future. Notice he hasn't actually DONE anything. He never does, does he? Talk is cheap and he has continually used it to fob you off and keep you in your place. He will never actually do any of these things, you know that.

Leave now before the baby is born.

Sort out all the financials when you are safely in the UK. It sounds like the business is basically you and your skills so you can easily set up a new company and new bank account and transfer all your clients over to that. You will then at least have income going forward and it may even be possible to transfer money from the old company to the new as I think you are sole director. The old company, and your DHs shares, are then effectively worthless.

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