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Is this financial abuse

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Liliana2323 · 22/02/2024 21:54

Hi, ill try to summarise as it's a long, 18yr story!

  • met when I was 22, hubby was 30
  • I had no assets, he had 2 rental properties
  • he got made redundant and suggested a move to Europe, I gave up my career and followed him
  • have both worked online for the last 15yrs
  • he bought house we're in outright. Not a million pound villa but a 200k huge renovation project. Both funded the renovations, he has done a lot of physical work on and off over the last 10 years
  • married with a prenup for his rental properties and the one we're living in
  • I started new business 7yrs ago, doing well
  • he hasn't worked for 18 months so far, nor done renovations (until a couple of weeks ago)
  • house still needs a lot of work, still dont even have 1 fully functioning bathroom!

So the main issue here is that he is quite financially controlling. We use his personal account for day to day bills and expenses, or my business card. my business dividends goes 50/50 to our personal accounts (as he set himself up as a 50% shareholder), then I have to immediately transfer mine to his account. If I go to the supermarket (rare, as he took over that role), or away for a family visit in the UK (twice a year max), he gives me a spare card in his name. He has a couple of loans we effectively both pay + savings, pension, investments and the 2 cars are both in his name.

This arrangement never felt quite right but whenever ive tried in the past to broach the subject it turns nasty and nothing ever changes, despite promises to have a joint account, him to invest money for me, me to have a pension etc it never happens.

It has come to a head for me really as we're 5 months pregnant with a first, long awaited baby. For the first 4 months he didn't seem interested at all, in fact he was quite difficult to be around and we had a lot of arguments with him saying quite horrific things about me/us. I felt terrible, had to sleep on an ancient mattress in the spare room (he snores) and generally uncared for and unsupported. Since Christmas he has in general been quite nice, despite a couple of nasty arguments.

I am thinking of whether to leave or not because i'm panicking about the future, whether we'll stay together, will I end up a single mum in a foreign country with an unfair custody situation and struggling to make ends meet, or should I go back to the UK and my family and friends. If I stayed abroad and we then divorced, I wouldn't be allowed to move back to the UK with my baby, unless he agreed.

I suppose i'm just wondering if this is really classed as financial abuse? Or just a stupid situation which has developed over the years, unintentionally?

I think i'm a bit of a pushover with him and I hate conflict. He's quite loud and aggressive so I have avoided the issue but enough is enough now, with a baby and our future to consider. I tried to talk about my concerns a few nights ago, he shouted a lot, told me he paid for this house and I should be grateful etc but nothing has changed since financially.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts!

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AutumnFroglets · 23/02/2024 13:49

He's not really a bad man, just seems to want total control. He is very money-oriented.

Oh OP.... you need to change your thinking. He is not just financially abusing you but also mentally and emotionally (and probably coercively). An abusive man IS a bad man and he has managed to manipulate your reality to make out he's okay but you are the one at fault. You are not working hard enough... at marriage, at your job, at earning potential, at being a good person. He is convincing you that it's you who is failing in life, not him.

Well I have news for you. You are coming across as a strong, independent, intelligent, empathic and lovely human being and once you are out from his evil soul sucking cloud you will truly blossom. Keep telling yourself this - I am a good person, he is not. It is better to be poor but free. Flowers

WomanInBlack78 · 23/02/2024 13:54

Ooh just quickly, I recognise all this from my own situations. Given time again, I’d most definitely left to my home country before baby was born. He got a million times worse after the baby, as he wasn’t no 1 etc, and I’m in a big mess now. That’s just my experience… but seems to a fairly common pattern

twingiraffes · 23/02/2024 14:34

Liliana2323 · 22/02/2024 22:20

Thank you so much for the quick reply. I have everything in place to quickly exit next week when he's out (even with my dog and 2 of my horses who he won't want to look after) but it's quite scary. It won't be easy and i'll have to borrow money from my mum and dad and staying with them in order to do this as i'm effectively penniless. I cant even take dividends or a salary from my business as he is the only one with full access to my business account 🙈 I suppose I just can't risk things getting worse when the baby is born and being stuck

This is 100% controlling and definitely financial abuse.

It is YOUR business, so how come you don't have access to business funds, and how come he 'set himself up' as a 50% shareholder? How did all that happen?

You don't own a share in anything of his, yet he is controlling everything of yours.

Please, please leave this appalling situation as soon as possible, ideally before the baby is born, because if you wait until afterwards, there is no way he would allow you to take the child out of the country.

caterpiller2 · 23/02/2024 14:46

Get to Britain like yesterday. Don't tell anyone even friends because it could get back to him. You need to get back before the babies born : really will be difficult taking the baby out of another country . You sound like a smart lady you have lots of friends over here where you will cared for. You have a lifetime ahead of you and I promise you he won't change . Get the tickets booked draw the cash from you old bank account so he doesn't know

caterpiller2 · 23/02/2024 14:48

Is there any chance on the day your leaving to draw cash of his credit card

caterpiller2 · 23/02/2024 14:49

If you do draw it off near where you live so he doesn't trace where you are

Liliana2323 · 23/02/2024 15:25

@caterpiller2 thank you. Unfortunately not, I don't know the pin. The spare card might have 200 euros on it but he's recently set it up with a top up every 200 (which he did years ago but miraculously it often failed!) so I might be able to get a bit more once i'm out of the country but not much. I can't even drive the car I effectively bought back to the UK as it's in his name. I'm leaving that and other assets bought through my business as they're also in his name! I can only bring what can fit in a smallish car. Crazy! My own stupid fault for not properly putting my foot down years ago. I'm worried he'll empty the savings accounts he has (joint savings) and my business account has profit in it, so I have the solicitor ready to 'push the button' as soon as I have left and hope to reduce the loss. I have a new business bank account almost set up but don't want to get it verified until ive gone. He's going to be furious! 😬

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caterpiller2 · 23/02/2024 15:29

Who cares about him. Honestly I wish I could be behind you just to give you the push. Have a day set in mind and stick to it that way you won't just keep putting it off. Your family and friends will be there with you to support you. Don't but don't be tempted to go back

Milliondoll · 23/02/2024 15:30

Liliana2323 · 22/02/2024 22:44

Thanks! I have been really stressed out trying to work out if i'm being silly and if what he's doing is ok or not. I was back in the UK last week and wanted to stay but needed to come back to move me and my animals when he goes out for day. Whilst I was away and since I returned he's been really nice of course, apart from when pushed on finances. It really hit home though when I found out for certain that I can't even extend my overdraft, let alone get a mortgage or rent, even with a decent business as I have no credit rating at the age of 40!

Not silly!
get legal advice. ESP re the pre nup. What’s his should be yours

caterpiller2 · 23/02/2024 15:30

Take has many photos of your assets documents home etc so you have evidence of your assets

caterpiller2 · 23/02/2024 15:35

May I ask what country your in

Epidote · 23/02/2024 15:48

@Liliana2323 I think he had managed to get the perfect set up on his favour in case you decided to leave he got you exactly in the corner he wants you to be.

I don't know how you can do it but you need to take him off your business, can you speak legal business advice to be able to recover not only the account also full financial capacity? If not I would be tempted to close the business give him his "share" and leave. You have managed to make the business successful in the past, you can make it work again with other ownership and without him.

Liliana2323 · 23/02/2024 16:16

@caterpiller2 sorry ive been vague about that, just worried someone will see it and put 2 and 2 together, will let you know when ive left!

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OhamIreally · 23/02/2024 16:29

Good luck.

A friend of a friend had a child in Germany and was stuck there for 18 years as the dad wouldn't let the child leave.

Hopefully when you file for divorce the uk court will be able to untangle some of this dreadful situation to get you a decent share.

ZsaZsaTheCat · 23/02/2024 16:37

Please , please, please go on ‘holiday’ to UK and don’t go back to him. There are so many red flags here . Big hug.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 23/02/2024 16:42

Liliana2323 · 23/02/2024 13:48

@Epidote just figured out im supposed to tag ooops!

What do you think about the house we're living in? He bought it outright (not for a huge sum) and I get 50% equity growth which isn't much as we're living in rural Europe. I'm really struggling to judge how bad this really is. I also feel bad as maybe if he knew truly what was at stake, he might change his behaviour but I can't tell him as my plans will be scuppered

OP I also live in rural Europe, having followed my husband. I have a young child and am financially dependent on him. My DH has gone out of his way to ensure I have the financial resources available to me to leave if I need to. The idea that I'll only have financial security if I stay with him horrifies him. Your husband is abusing you.

Liliana2323 · 23/02/2024 21:42

@WomanInBlack78 so sorry to hear that...what was his behaviour like before the baby was born?

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Liliana2323 · 23/02/2024 21:47

@MrTiddlesTheCat thank you! So that is how a decent husband acts?! I feel like ive been living under a rock since moving here 😅 I feel sad for the baby and wish I had a crystal ball to see how things would be. Maybe i'm being selfish leaving, it's only money! Will she hate me one day for doing this 😔

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notthatkindofFatCat · 23/02/2024 22:33

I thought prenups weren't particularly reliable/ don't always hold up.

Therealjudgejudy · 23/02/2024 22:44

100% financial abuse. Please leave before the baby is born or you will be stuck with him.

Circe7 · 23/02/2024 23:03

It may be really important that you file for divorce in the UK as soon as you leave (though the UK courts will not necessarily have jurisdiction). Divorce can be complex when there are multiple jurisdictions involved and you don’t want to give him the opportunity to file first in a less favourable jurisdiction.

Liliana2323 · 24/02/2024 08:02

Circle7 Thanks, I did look into this and it's best I file first but he can still try to insist it's heard in France. He's very persistent and if he thinks 'his' assets might be touched, he will flip. I don't really have the money to take it to court etc but will have to try if that's what is needed. I just hope I don't regret this and taking baby away from his father. He will absolute love her. Although i'll not really get maternity leave, will still work a few hours a day where no doubt he will take her as he's not working (therefore I have to)

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WinchSparkle80 · 24/02/2024 08:09

You can always make more money….you only have one life. Go and don’t look back!

Pashazade · 24/02/2024 08:17

OP please get out, leave asap. Come back to the Uk, have your baby. If you stay you won't be able to leave with her. Do you want to be stuck for the next 18 years? Fine he goes mad, you block his phone and communicate by email only. Come home, file for divorce. It will drag on, but you and your daughter will be safe and free.

barkymcbark · 24/02/2024 08:31

You're obviously an intelligent person op as you've made a business for yourself. You can do this again when you're back in the uk. Finances can be replaced, 40 isn't too late to rebuild credit and buy a house.

Please please please have the baby in the uk, otherwise you'll be stuck and tied to this awful man, whilst living abroad away from your family and with laws that don't help you.