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Husband horrible to me and children

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AmberV · 05/02/2024 13:50

Apologies in advance for the long message. Just the tip of the iceberg. My husband has always been demanding, suffocating, overbearing. When I moved in he wanted the toilet roll a certain way, the towels on the hand rail in the bathroom had to be perfectly level. He would always redo them after I did them. The curtains had to be pulled just so and every day he would redo them moaning and tutting. Like a fool I put up with it and thought he’s got ocd for cleanliness, it’s just ‘his way’.
After we had children I packed up work and it got worse he would want the house just so. Whatever I did it felt wrong. Now the children are 8 DS and 10 DD, he is so mean to our son, says he’s trying to toughen him up. When son got frustrated when he was around 4 or 5 if he lost at something or couldn’t do something he would roll on the floor beside himself hysterical upset, my husband would laugh and go and get the phone to record it which infuriated DS more. Last year it got to the point I could take no more, he shouted right in my face saying how pathetic I was in front of the children because I said that son didn’t want to ‘play fight’ anymore as it generally ended with him in tears. He would shout at them practically every day for not hanging up their coat or put their shoes away, when he really loses his temper they cower in the kitchen under the table or go and hide under their bed or under their bed covers. I spoke to doctor as I was a mess, they brought in the children and spoke to them, then reported it as safeguarding issue, they called SS and they came round, DS heard that we might get divorced and went into the kitchen, took a knife and said he was going to kill himself cos he was so upset. He blamed himself for SS getting involved because he had spoke out to the doctor and said what husband was doing. That was a year ago, things improved mildly, we still tread on egg shells, it still feels like he’s got two army recruits rather than children. I hate him. He still does the curtain thing, tells me all what cleaning I’ve missed doing round the house, opens cupboards and says loud enough for me to hear ‘ffs can’t even stack a cupboard, has no one taught you anything ’ same with the dishwasher, always redoes it. His way of attacking my mum for ‘apparently not teaching me anything or how to do things properly.’

Last week DS got to our door from school first and rung bell. Husband deliberately left sons bag at end of path so he had to go and get it, then he let DD in and then pushed in front of DS and took his time taking shoes off to make DS wait, son got infuriated by this and pushed into husband to shove him, then DS got angry and bit husband, husband screamed at him and walloped him round the head, the first time he has ever struck him , DS was beside himself, ran in and curled in a ball on the stairs. DD saw what happened and stood trembling in the hall, I tried to console them, all husband went on about was how he was the injured party. Yes he shouldn’t have bitten him but it was years of pent up rage coming out.

After I spoke to DS, he said ‘I just can’t stop thinking about it, I don’t know how my fathers not in prison’.

I confronted husband upstairs and he’s still raising his voice going I don’t know how you can take his side after what he did. He could not see how mean he had been not letting him in. My daughter heard me talking, him raising his voice and told him what she thought how she lives in fear how she has no safe place to go how she doesn’t feel safe at home. He would not even look at her while she poured her heart out and stared at the telly. This was Friday. Today he is acting liking nothing ever happened. Trying to buy the kids off again, like he does every time he treats them like shit. He said before if I ever filed for divorce he would fight me every step of the way and there’s no way he’d let me get custody.

When he is in a good mood, he’s fun, he takes them places, wouldn’t think twice about taking them away for the weekend, he’s generous with all of us. But he has an evil, mean nasty streak that even odd times when it’s not there you are always on heightened alert waiting for it. I very rarely go out as I don’t feel comfortable leaving them with him. I went out for lunch this week, he got them from school, I had a really nice time, I got in and they were both really upset cos he’d screamed at them. I have no life. My kids have no ‘normal’ life, they both suffer with anxiety, my DD has toileting problems since age 4 even now, they said it was behavioural. My DS has anger issues and throws smashes things when he’s frustrated or upset. They both are erratic and have nightmares , my DD struggles to go to sleep cos that’s when she thinks when lying in bed. To the outside world we are a ‘perfect’ family. Nice home. Holidays. Yet we live in hell.

I am seeking legal advice this week, I can’t do it to kids any longer, thing is they will be devastated as love the ‘nice dad’. Has anyone been through this and come out the other side?

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newhousenewhouse · 11/02/2024 08:27

I had similar and now I am in my own home with 2 children that don't see their dad. I never thought it would happen that we could leave him but we did. It's had been so tough but stick with it. You are doing the right thing.

Comtesse · 11/02/2024 08:32

I think @Preggopreggo has a good point - can you block his number on the kids’ phones, even just temporarily? Everybody needs to calm down and he is making it worse. Hope today is a better day for you all Flowers

bombastix · 11/02/2024 09:59

@AmberV - he is contemptible and this approach via the children is classic abuse. Block these phone messages, remind your children of the danger, tell them it is not their fault or yours that their father is the way he is, and that it will get better. They feel guilt.

I would also check whether there is any tracking function on your phones and theirs. Men like this want to keep an eye on you. You may need a new set of phones.

You have done really well; the children are upset because of the changes, they are still children and will believe his lies. You are doing a great job of helping them, and they will see it more clearly over the coming weeks.

Pumpkinpie1 · 11/02/2024 10:12

OP your post is heartbreaking.
Im so sorry your kids and you are going through this.
Please block this man from your phone or change your number. Stop engaging with him , same for your children if they have phones.
He’s actions are making your child suicidal! He is dangerous

KL090 · 11/02/2024 10:32

Being angry with him is actually good it’s helping you. It’s keeping you from falling for his manipulation! Keep going Op this is the right thing. The kids being confused is very normal although heart breaking. He has brainwashed them in many ways and they are lovely kids so obviously care and love him but also afraid and that’s no way for them to live.

BritneyBookClubPresident · 11/02/2024 10:34

You're doing great

Catoo · 11/02/2024 19:18

It will get better OP. One step at a time. You’ve done the hardest thing already. And dealt with the first meltdown with DS.
If you can block and delete him on DCs’ phones you probably need to. You’ve all been controlled by him for years there will be real struggles for you all leaving him behind like this. Agree with PP about trauma bonds.
His messages promising to change are evidence so make sure you take screenshots etc.
Please also block on all your devices and channels including that email address. If for some reason you feel you need to keep one channel open, go grey rock on there. No responses to emotional and angry messages and ‘OK’ ‘yes’ ‘no’ to factual ones etc.
💐

perfectcolourfound · 11/02/2024 19:43

I'm so sorry you're going through this.

You are still doing the right thing - I hope you're clear on that.

The only alternative would be to go back to him. Which would be bad news for you and for the children. They may appear distraight at what's happened but they are young, and they don't understand the implications of staying in that abusive environment a day longer. One day they will understand, and they will be glad and grateful that you were strong and did the right thing.

Your ex is making weak promises to try to get you back in line. If he truly means it, and he can change, why didn't he change before now? Why did he make yours and your DC's lives miserable for so long? Why did he bully and frighten and criticise?

He's only saying these things because he's lost. And he needs to know he can control you. If you capitulated and went back to him, he would very quickly revert to type, only worse (because he'd now know you wouldn't really leave him, only threaten it). And when you decided again you needed to leave, you'd find it even harder, as the children would find it more confusing. You've done the hard bit - you've left him. It isn't easy, and there isn't an overnight fix, but you will come out of this so much better, and happier, and stronger - you and your children.

So stay strong. Show resolve. Take any help that is offered, seek out professional help as you have been doing, be kind to yourself, and start to visualise your lovely, calm, happy future - just you and your children.

AmberV · 11/02/2024 21:02

Thanks for all your messages, it’s really helped. It’s been the longest weekend ever. Last night me, my mum, the two children and the cat all ended up in the same bed! Husband has agreed to move out and not just for a night or two, he’s proper moved out. We have moved back home now thank god so we have some kind of normality. I am getting the children to doctors tomorrow to get referral for counselling. I’m still seeing the solicitor to see where I stand. I’m starting the freedom programme this Thursday night and am really looking forward to that. It’s not going to be easy at all I know that. I’ll just take one day at a time. Husband says he is going to go to the doctors and get counselling. I won’t let him see the children unsupervised. I survived the weekend, if I can get through that after how the children were I can get through anything 🙏

OP posts:
pikkumyy77 · 11/02/2024 21:19

Wonderful!!! You are doing the right thing. I hope you will be able to look back and see how important your choices have been during these dark days.

Anjea · 11/02/2024 21:28

You're amazing. Your children have an outstanding mum x

Shouldbedoing · 11/02/2024 23:50

Be very careful to leave your key in the door lock to block it and chains in use if fitted. He has the legal right to enter at any time.

Bluetrews25 · 12/02/2024 09:24

Ahh well done getting through the weekend.
Keep on keeping on xx

LiveLaughCryalot · 12/02/2024 10:06

You are amazing. You are doing so well. Your children are very lucky to have a mum like you.

AmberV · 12/02/2024 21:15

Today has felt like a year. I feel mentally and physically drained. Took DC to docs, ds was becoming seriously agitated in there while we waited to go in, then anxious, then angry and then started trying to kick and hit dd, everyone in there was just looking at us as I was trying to calm him down, they must have thought he was so naughty but had no clue what he was/is going through. They wanted to go in one at a time with me. I had to say in front of them to the doctor that we were all being emotionally abused and physically in case of ds. DD was asked if she had suicidal thoughts or wanted to self harm because she had written a letter saying her life doesn’t feel worth living, she didn’t even know what those things meant bless her. The Doc said that I should change all our locks which proper freaked her out. She got really upset when I read the doc the letter she’d written. She had to tell doc what dad had been like . Then son went in, he opened right up saying daddy’s always shouting and swearing and that he was scared when daddy’s around and how he had hurt him. He was really distraught after so I didn’t send him back to school, he kept saying I can’t stop thinking about dadda. We had lunch and I took him to crazy golf, after that he said I’m not thinking about dadda anymore mummy. I just wish the arsehole was able to view them in there and see what he’s done to us all. I told him all what had happened and not to contact them tonight, if they wanted to contact him that’s fine but neither of them did.

I made a point of us all sitting down for dinner together, something we could never do before cos of all the stress we were put under. It started ok we played a word game as we ate. But then my DD became increasingly agitated which then set DD off, so it became really hard work. It’s just not something they’re used to. I said to them this is what we are going to do each night from now on , have dinner together would you like that and they both said they’d love it.

dd kept asking when daddy would be home, I said I don’t know, she said a day a week? I said I can’t say any day cos I just don’t know. (Like never!)

Then it went ok after that, but then ds was helping carrying his clean clothes upstairs that is folded but he dropped them all. He started screaming hysterically saying I’m just useless, totally useless , I just want to die. He was in a complete state and hid under the side table. I said to him it’s my fault I’m really sorry I asked you to do that now when you must be so tired. Me and dd eventually managed to coax him out and we watched animals do the funniest things and had a couple of stories, I went into the other room and somehow ds ended up knocking dd off bed which made dd start crying and shouting at ds and then son went into a complete state again saying he wanted to die. I cannot tell you what a long day it’s felt today. Utterly draining. No one teaches you what to say when your 8 year old ds says he wants to die . On the plus side in between the moments of sadness and upset they’ve been going through today , it has felt so relaxed at home and the children have been singing and laughing and playing together. It’s so lovely to hear

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Iamhappy10QLord · 12/02/2024 21:20

Well done, you.
Hang in there. It is usually a nightmare when change like this happens. It's unsettling for everyone because it is not their normal.
With time, it does get easier. But it is very tough at the start.
You all did good today by opening up to the GP. Your DC are very brave, i must say.
Wishing you strength, courage and patience.

samqueens · 12/02/2024 21:36

💐 I’m so sorry OP. You’re doing amazingly, for yourself and your children, and they are doing amazingly too. It’s going to get harder before it gets better and I can’t imagine how terrifying and heartbreaking it must be to hear how your children are feeling when they say that.

But one way to frame it, for yourself and for them, is “thank you for telling me”. It’s ok to feel ANYTHING, and saying it is the best way to get it out and work through it and find support and all the rest. (Wouldn’t it be even more terrifying to think they feel this way and couldn’t ever say it…?)

Whatever they feel now it’s safe for them to express it - and you’ll hold them, and cry with them, and be there for them, and keep them safe.

(Sometimes what they are going to be feeling and saying is that they miss and love their dad and want him back etc etc, and that’s also going to be really hard to hear).

I hope the doctor took what was said seriously and that you felt there was space for you to be supported too.

Please, please be aware though that it may be most protective for you to be telling your H as little as possible about the specifics of what is going on. Abusive men are master manipulators and, knowing he is losing control, he will eventually use whatever tools are at his disposal to get his way - including using your own words against you and against the children. (Telling him, for instance, that they re asking when he will be home again would be very risky for all of you).

So please be very mindful of sharing information with him only on a need to know basis and sticking absolutely to facts and not feelings. (“I took the children to the doctors”, rather than “I took the children to the doctors and they asked X and we said Y”). Ask the professionals you’re dealing with for advice on this if that will help. Be very careful.

At some point there will be a legal/court element to this. Can the organisations you’re in touch with access legal services for you - that might be really useful on working out what will help your position the most.

remember he cannot be trusted with your well-being or with that of the children and he WONT do the right thing or put their needs above his own. He is NOT capable of it, so there’s no point asking or hoping or expecting him to.

I’m so sorry OP, but you are doing AMAZINGLY. Keep going… one step at a time xxxxx

Pinkbonbon · 12/02/2024 21:48

I'd ve careful about saying 'it's my fault'. Right bow they are blaming themselves and yes that's awful but you will work through things with them. But if they start blaming you...that'll be harder to resolve.

Now I'm not saying you bear no responsibility for keeping them in that environment for so long. But they need to see you as their rock right now. Not the bad guy that they can blame and can't trust.

As pp said, be there to listen.

Respond positively to when they are behaving good too. When they are throwing tantrums, leave the room and give the some space to cool off. Once they are OK again, THEN lots of warmth towards them. They see that way that good behaviour is rewarded.

They do not have the right to hit you. That needs to be addressed. 'We don't hit people'. And leave the room. Not so easy in public of course. But it needs to be addressed ASAP. Or you'll have a teen beating you up like his dad did him.

You're doing really well op.

Tbh...I'd tell them he is necer coming back to the house because you want it to be a safe family space where you can all eat meals together from now on. I suspect that that will actually reassure them more than the current state of not knowing.

I do t think they are scared he won't come back. I think they are scared he will. Or, that he won't, amd will punish them for that fact.

bombastix · 12/02/2024 22:01

I'm so sorry to hear of the struggle but you have come a long way in a short time. You can see the trauma in your children and they cannot process it properly, but continue on your way. It can seem totally uphill but there are small things everyday that are positive. You are acting positively for your children, building a life for them and showing them kindness and love; don't stop doing it.

Don't engage with your ex. He will pull you into the mire; this is about steadying yourself as an effective parent. He is nothing like that.

Garlickit · 12/02/2024 22:17

I'd be careful about saying 'it's my fault'. Indeed! A kid dropping stuff's completely normal. A kid dropping stuff after an emotionally intense rollercoaster of a day full of strange, new experiences is to be expected, bless him. It's nobody's fault, it's just life.

Accidents happen & no-one's ever perfect. No big deal. <-- See this? That's your new normal. No need for recriminations or blame over everyday mishaps. Can you smell the freedom? Relaxing, isn't it!

@AmberV, here's why I feel so strongly that you're doing the right thing for your children and for yourself: now in my 60s, I still criticise myself unfairly for being 'clumsy' or slow, etc. Then, thanks to therapy, I cheerily reassure myself nothing bad happened and I'm allowed mistakes like spilling a full mug of coffee over my freshly-painted wall yesterday. My mother does it, too. If I'm there, I reassure her the same way. All my siblings do it to themselves, their partners, and each other. (I put a stop to their 'blaming' me. They all think I'm weird.)

You, you hero of a woman, have taken the big step OUT of the blame trap and have brought your children with you 👑 So, no, little mishaps aren't anybody's 'fault' now! It's okay!

The only person responsible for the blame trap is the man who built it - and he does deserve recrimination, because that's a horrible thing to do to people.

Avatartar · 12/02/2024 22:25

You’re doing really well OP, I’m no expert but it sounds as if they are just starting to relax a bit and all their emotions and reactions are spilling out everywhere. Next time either do something clumsy perhaps just smile and gently say it’s ok and if they are receptive to a hug just hug

Catoo · 12/02/2024 23:10

Well done OP.
As PP have said, no over-sharing details with H to try and show him what he’s done. Grey rock. Need to know basis only. You are not coparenting at the moment. This man is truly your enemy.

DC sound anxious that H could come back. Maybe reassure that he won’t come back. Perhaps they will settle more without the worry, he’s been an oppressive force for so long that it must be so confusing for them without it. And if you haven’t changed the locks please do that tomorrow first thing (and don’t tell him or DC that it’s been done). He will come and let himself in one day if he thinks he’s lost control. That will be very dangerous for you all.

Agree with PP about saying ‘accidents happen, it’s ok’ rather than any kind of blame.

You’ve done so well. It’s the start of a new life for you all. Never let that arsehole back through that door.

💐

Preggopreggo · 13/02/2024 01:00

Some good advice @Pinkbonbon , except it is really not great for a child when their parent leaves the room because of a tantrum. This gives the message that these huge ugly feelings are unwelcome or ‘too much’ and can make them feel that attention is conditional on them bottling up feelings and being ‘easy’. Tantrums are not bad behavior, they are emotional disregulation and a great opportunity to process feelings.

Children need their feelings to be seen, acknowledged and validated. They can’t process language in that moment so best to be present and to say very little, a warm and caring ‘I can see you’re upset’ and lots of reassurance that it’s ok to feel that way and offer of hugs after.

Preggopreggo · 13/02/2024 01:03

I agree with @Garlickit , you really are a hero @AmberV

And yes, it’s best to remove all language of fault. When you say something is your fault, you’re modelling blame and they will be more likely to think from a blame perspective which can cause inter sibling conflict too.

Preggopreggo · 13/02/2024 01:40

@AmberV have you already been referred/signposted to some play therapy for the kids?

There are some free ones for child victims of domestic abuse, depending on your area. And most areas have a private option.

And don’t forget that you are also traumatized, be kind to yourself.

Agree with PP that the uncertainty of him returning is probably maintaining the kids fear of their abuser. They need to know that he’s not coming back, but they don’t need loads of explanation, they need to be listened too and validated.

‘Dad isn’t coming back because we need to keep ourselves safe. He treated us badly, and we don’t let people treat us that way. What do you think?’ And then acknowledge validate whatever their views are, no matter how much you disagree.

Maybe useful : https://lundybancroft.com/kids-who-side-with-the-abuser-part-1/

No one teaches you what to say when your 8 year old ds says he wants to die
They don’t 😔 This guide looks helpful:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/what-do-your-child-says-i-want-die-middle-tantrum-caroline-danda-phd

What to do if your child says “I want to die,” in the middle of a tantrum

When kids are upset and distressed, they often go negative and even make statements such as, “I want to die. I wish I wasn’t here anymore.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/what-do-your-child-says-i-want-die-middle-tantrum-caroline-danda-phd