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Husband horrible to me and children

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AmberV · 05/02/2024 13:50

Apologies in advance for the long message. Just the tip of the iceberg. My husband has always been demanding, suffocating, overbearing. When I moved in he wanted the toilet roll a certain way, the towels on the hand rail in the bathroom had to be perfectly level. He would always redo them after I did them. The curtains had to be pulled just so and every day he would redo them moaning and tutting. Like a fool I put up with it and thought he’s got ocd for cleanliness, it’s just ‘his way’.
After we had children I packed up work and it got worse he would want the house just so. Whatever I did it felt wrong. Now the children are 8 DS and 10 DD, he is so mean to our son, says he’s trying to toughen him up. When son got frustrated when he was around 4 or 5 if he lost at something or couldn’t do something he would roll on the floor beside himself hysterical upset, my husband would laugh and go and get the phone to record it which infuriated DS more. Last year it got to the point I could take no more, he shouted right in my face saying how pathetic I was in front of the children because I said that son didn’t want to ‘play fight’ anymore as it generally ended with him in tears. He would shout at them practically every day for not hanging up their coat or put their shoes away, when he really loses his temper they cower in the kitchen under the table or go and hide under their bed or under their bed covers. I spoke to doctor as I was a mess, they brought in the children and spoke to them, then reported it as safeguarding issue, they called SS and they came round, DS heard that we might get divorced and went into the kitchen, took a knife and said he was going to kill himself cos he was so upset. He blamed himself for SS getting involved because he had spoke out to the doctor and said what husband was doing. That was a year ago, things improved mildly, we still tread on egg shells, it still feels like he’s got two army recruits rather than children. I hate him. He still does the curtain thing, tells me all what cleaning I’ve missed doing round the house, opens cupboards and says loud enough for me to hear ‘ffs can’t even stack a cupboard, has no one taught you anything ’ same with the dishwasher, always redoes it. His way of attacking my mum for ‘apparently not teaching me anything or how to do things properly.’

Last week DS got to our door from school first and rung bell. Husband deliberately left sons bag at end of path so he had to go and get it, then he let DD in and then pushed in front of DS and took his time taking shoes off to make DS wait, son got infuriated by this and pushed into husband to shove him, then DS got angry and bit husband, husband screamed at him and walloped him round the head, the first time he has ever struck him , DS was beside himself, ran in and curled in a ball on the stairs. DD saw what happened and stood trembling in the hall, I tried to console them, all husband went on about was how he was the injured party. Yes he shouldn’t have bitten him but it was years of pent up rage coming out.

After I spoke to DS, he said ‘I just can’t stop thinking about it, I don’t know how my fathers not in prison’.

I confronted husband upstairs and he’s still raising his voice going I don’t know how you can take his side after what he did. He could not see how mean he had been not letting him in. My daughter heard me talking, him raising his voice and told him what she thought how she lives in fear how she has no safe place to go how she doesn’t feel safe at home. He would not even look at her while she poured her heart out and stared at the telly. This was Friday. Today he is acting liking nothing ever happened. Trying to buy the kids off again, like he does every time he treats them like shit. He said before if I ever filed for divorce he would fight me every step of the way and there’s no way he’d let me get custody.

When he is in a good mood, he’s fun, he takes them places, wouldn’t think twice about taking them away for the weekend, he’s generous with all of us. But he has an evil, mean nasty streak that even odd times when it’s not there you are always on heightened alert waiting for it. I very rarely go out as I don’t feel comfortable leaving them with him. I went out for lunch this week, he got them from school, I had a really nice time, I got in and they were both really upset cos he’d screamed at them. I have no life. My kids have no ‘normal’ life, they both suffer with anxiety, my DD has toileting problems since age 4 even now, they said it was behavioural. My DS has anger issues and throws smashes things when he’s frustrated or upset. They both are erratic and have nightmares , my DD struggles to go to sleep cos that’s when she thinks when lying in bed. To the outside world we are a ‘perfect’ family. Nice home. Holidays. Yet we live in hell.

I am seeking legal advice this week, I can’t do it to kids any longer, thing is they will be devastated as love the ‘nice dad’. Has anyone been through this and come out the other side?

OP posts:
Comtesse · 09/02/2024 07:26

Keep going lovey, sounds like your kids are traumatised and you too Flowers

pikkumyy77 · 09/02/2024 13:20

Good for you for keeping that diary! Horrible reading, Im sure, but ultimately an important weapon in your battle for freedom.

BritneyBookClubPresident · 09/02/2024 21:31

You're doing great , keep strong Flowers

AmberV · 10/02/2024 02:37

Me, the DC and the cat are all staying at my mums god bless her until I can sort all this out and hopefully get him out of the house. DS wanted to go home, I said we can’t cos you know daddy’s been really angry lately and scaring us, he’s not well and we need to give him some space and we need some space, bless him he goes I could go back home cos me and daddy get on alright together. Poor sod he gets the brunt of it all and he says that 😔

OP posts:
MariaVT65 · 10/02/2024 02:41

AmberV · 10/02/2024 02:37

Me, the DC and the cat are all staying at my mums god bless her until I can sort all this out and hopefully get him out of the house. DS wanted to go home, I said we can’t cos you know daddy’s been really angry lately and scaring us, he’s not well and we need to give him some space and we need some space, bless him he goes I could go back home cos me and daddy get on alright together. Poor sod he gets the brunt of it all and he says that 😔

Bless you op. I wonder if your son may benefit from some counselling to helphim understand how he has been treated is wrong.

AmberV · 10/02/2024 02:54

yes Safer Places are sorting counselling for the three of us, they have been amazing

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Spencer0220 · 10/02/2024 03:07

So glad you are safe.

Keep us updated if you feel up to it 🌺

HenndigoOZ · 10/02/2024 03:43

Sending you good wishes. You are courageous and honestly, it’s a relief isn’t it that you don’t have to pretend any more and you can actually tell people about the craziness of the life you had to live with this man.
Give yourself two years to work through what happened. Once you are safe, your body will move from the hyper vigilant state you have been operating in for so long and you and the kids will begin to process it. The counselling will help with that.

ApolloandDaphne · 10/02/2024 05:21

Thank goodness you are out of there and safe. Stay strong.

Comtesse · 10/02/2024 08:08

So glad to hear you are at your mum’s house. Tell her what’s really been going on, don’t just skate over it. Keep going Flowers

Bluetrews25 · 10/02/2024 10:06

Aww you have a lovely boy there, Amber.
So glad you are out and getting support.

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 10/02/2024 13:34

Stay strong, OP 💐

Northernsouloldies · 10/02/2024 18:51

I was similar to your boy I wanted to help carry the burden of the problems.. Don't let that be your son... Thank god things have changed.

ParrotCatDog · 10/02/2024 19:08

So glad you are out and making progress! X

Isthisit22 · 10/02/2024 19:20

Your children have been through so much. Now is the time to put an end to the awful position they’ve been in for so long. Please protect your children.

Pinkbonbon · 10/02/2024 19:25

Ironically your son might have raised a point.

My abusive grandmother was mostly fine when I was just me and her. But when my mum came back she would play us off against eachother.

Abusers use kids to hurt the mothers if she's the primary target. Hurting the boy hurt you.

In my case, ìt was me she wanted to hurt but she did that my making me seem like a bad kid to my mum. If your son is the primary victim them it may be that by you not being there, he is safer if he ever has to be.

But make it clear to him that it's not his job to pacify his dad. Talk to him about bullying in general and give examples (that he will make connections himself with about his dad) and tell him we don't pander to bullies, we just get as far away from them as possible.

samqueens · 11/02/2024 00:09

AmberV · 10/02/2024 02:54

yes Safer Places are sorting counselling for the three of us, they have been amazing

I’m so glad to hear this OP - have been in floods reading your posts. Your darling DS, poor boy, is going to have a lot to work through. You’ve been so brave and you CAN do this - you can do whatever you need to to make things better. After so many years of this it will take you a long, long time to begin to heal, but you don’t have to get to the end right now you just have to believe in yourself a little bit every day.

One thing I found after getting out of a (far less terrifying) situation, but one which nonetheless decimated me, was that not living with my abuser meant I could reframe his unacceptable behaviour better for my children without fear of reprisal.

I understand you want to protect them and you don’t want to rant and rave about their dad… but they have seen it all. One thing that is so scary about being abused is how it snatches your mind and how the gaslighting makes you feel completely crazy and completely isolated, even from yourself in some ways.

You’re doing so incredibly well and being incredibly brave. I can hear how fearful you are for your son’s well being. I would really advise thinking about (and talking to SS/safer places/counsellor etc about), finding ways to be factual but firmly anti your husband’s behaviour. I may not be putting this well, but I mean saying “daddy’s behaviour isn’t acceptable” rather than “daddy’s not well”. Or “you can’t go back and live with daddy because daddy doesn’t treat you with kindness”, “Daddy has hit you and that is not ok”.

He has spent his life trying to make sense of how this can be happening, what’s ‘real’ (dad says he doesn’t mean it, was just joking etc etc). My abuser’s dad was also abusive, in more subtle ways. He grew up his whole life in a household where that behaviour was never named, never called out or labeled as unacceptable. So, on a fundamental level, he just doesn’t think it is.

It’s ok to love people who fail, and even/especially abused children love their parents and desperately want their approval - they shouldn’t be made to feel that this is wrong or bad, it completely normal of course. But I think it will really help your children (and you) for you to eventually be able to be as transparent as possible about what happened to all of you. This includes being able to voice some of your feelings of guilt (“I should have left sooner, I should not have let this happen to us”), and of how much you want to protect your children and how much you want them to know and believe that they did nothing wrong and nothing is their fault. It also includes being able to confide in trusted friends and family and let the DC know it’s ok for them to do the same - it’s not something they need to be ashamed of.

I’m not saying this because I think you should be blaming yourself - that’s absolutely not the case. This was done TO you - it is not your fault. Abusive men are amazing at robbing their partners of internal resources (and external ones too of course), making it so hard to leave.

I just want you to know that it is ok to label unacceptable behaviour. It’s ok not to protect your H from what that means for him, the children, SS etc. downplaying it won’t help any of you in the long run. It’s important for your kids to be able to do it too. And for your son to, over many months and years ahead, continue to hear that people we love sometimes hurt us but that your H’s behaviour is NOT acceptable and there is nothing that your DS could have done or do to change it.

I don’t know if you’ve read Lundy Bancroft’s book Why Does He Do That? If not I really hope you will download and read on kindle app or Apple Books. When your children are older make them read it too! It is really insightful and compassionate. It gave me back my sanity, made me feel ‘seen’ and it gave me a lot of tools and vocabulary with which to think about and name things that had happened to me.

Just keep hugging yourself and your children. And don’t feel bad repeating again and again - “your dad’s behaviour is not acceptable, you only deserve the best”.

Remember that is true for you as well as your children.

Keep coming back and letting us know how you are getting on 💐

AmberV · 11/02/2024 01:54

Today has ended the the day from fcking hell. Sorry for swearing. It started off ok, DS went football, had the time of his life, first match, my cousin took my DS out for the morning, then husband messaged my daughter saying how he loved them ( fine), how much he missed them and how much he wanted them home and promised he would change and wanted to see them and take us all out for dinner (not fine). It completely and utterly devastated DS when I said no not yet (meaning not for a very long time). My DS was in absolute bits and taking it out on me, saying but why can’t we see daddy, I said cos daddy’s not well and keeps hurting redacted by MNHQ, but he’s not hurting me can’t I go home, fucking hell I had three hours of this, my son fell to bits saying he wanted to die, both of them wanting to go back to how things were. I’ve had to hide all the sharp implements. The bloody pump wouldn’t work to blow up their beds I just fell to pieces. I messaged DH to say just back right off and let me get the kids well. F…king ahole, the lowest night of my life trying to explain why they can’t see their dad yet I’m in utter bits

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AmberV · 11/02/2024 02:05

I feel so alone sometimes and so utterly utterly drained in dealing with the fallout of the children. DH messaging me saying help me get better. What a effing joke, I have nothing left and wouldn’t waste my time on him anyway. He is completely oblivious to the fallout of his actions earlier saying come home, I miss you I’ll change, exactly what he said to us a year ago. I just can’t believe him, I’m so upset that he’s done this to them again , I’m crying my eyes out writing this I feel so low, I sent him a long email saying take this time on your own to have a long bloody hard look at yourself and your actions to see what you’ve done to them and if you have any decency at all to back off and let me get them the help they need. I told the DS that I was taking them to docs Monday to get refrral for counselling. DS was asking if I hear what she says, I said no it’s completely between you and person you speak to, she seemed relieved to get to talk to someone and asked if she could go today. I told her I was getting the same. Please god let this be the worst day

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Northernsouloldies · 11/02/2024 02:16

Stick to your guns keep that pathetic fucker out of all your lives, help me get better!!!! He's the reason the three of you are in turmoil.

Northernsouloldies · 11/02/2024 02:23

I've re read your post, if he had any decency as a dad after you detailing the kids emotional problems because of his behaviour he would back off. Hopefully you and the kids get the help you all need.

Garlickit · 11/02/2024 02:29

Just squeezing your hand over the internet Flowers

You're doing great, and I'm so pleased you've got all this support! Well done. Keeping my fingers crossed that you continue to get the right support as you need it.

Hope tomorrow turns out OK for you and DC xx

MariaVT65 · 11/02/2024 02:59

Hi op, i know you’re going through hell right now, but hopefully your kids with thank you when they are older or have a better understanding of what they’ve been through. My mum didn’t protect me and i resented her for it. It’s brilliant that you’re recognising the behaviour is wrong and taking steps.

HenndigoOZ · 11/02/2024 04:02

Sending you kind thoughts. Great idea to get third party counselling for the kids. It was one of the best things I did when we separated.

My ex still runs me down to my DS (he did it yesterday!) and has done for many years but DS absolutely adores me. Kids do work it out and they develop strategies for those moments when the other parent goes on a rant. A counsellor will help them step back and refuse to take sides.

I would get counselling for yourself as well so that you can manage that kind of tricky behaviour and the inevitable smear campaigns with mutual friends. My ex was all “she has thrown the marriage away!” And yet before I had pulled the plug he was openly debating with me about whether to acquire a Filipino wife for his next marriage. The kids were in the back seat at the time too.

Some friends unfortunately will find him convincing or pity “the poor man”. You will find the inner strength to deal with that and let them go. I used to care a lot what people thought, but no longer do. You will get there.

Preggopreggo · 11/02/2024 06:16

DH messaging me saying help me get better. What a effing joke, I have nothing left and wouldn’t waste my time on him anyway.

Effing joke indeed!! What an absolute wanker.

Can you change your number? And the kids numbers? I know that might be seriously hard and they’d take it out on you

It sounds like your son is suffering from a trauma bond with his dad https://teentrauma.com/trauma-bonding-what-it-is-and-how-to-recognize-it/amp/

I was a suicidal teen and the number one thing I needed from my parents was validation. To hear that it’s ok to feel like that, OK to be angry and upset. Without any ‘buts’

It will get better ❤️‍🩹

Trauma Bonding 101 - What is it and How to Recognize It?

Trauma Bonding: What It Is And How To Recognize It - Teen Trauma

Trauma bonding is real, and they can be hard to break. If you love someone that you suspect is in a trauma bond, here is what you need to know.

https://teentrauma.com/trauma-bonding-what-it-is-and-how-to-recognize-it/amp/

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