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Husband horrible to me and children

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AmberV · 05/02/2024 13:50

Apologies in advance for the long message. Just the tip of the iceberg. My husband has always been demanding, suffocating, overbearing. When I moved in he wanted the toilet roll a certain way, the towels on the hand rail in the bathroom had to be perfectly level. He would always redo them after I did them. The curtains had to be pulled just so and every day he would redo them moaning and tutting. Like a fool I put up with it and thought he’s got ocd for cleanliness, it’s just ‘his way’.
After we had children I packed up work and it got worse he would want the house just so. Whatever I did it felt wrong. Now the children are 8 DS and 10 DD, he is so mean to our son, says he’s trying to toughen him up. When son got frustrated when he was around 4 or 5 if he lost at something or couldn’t do something he would roll on the floor beside himself hysterical upset, my husband would laugh and go and get the phone to record it which infuriated DS more. Last year it got to the point I could take no more, he shouted right in my face saying how pathetic I was in front of the children because I said that son didn’t want to ‘play fight’ anymore as it generally ended with him in tears. He would shout at them practically every day for not hanging up their coat or put their shoes away, when he really loses his temper they cower in the kitchen under the table or go and hide under their bed or under their bed covers. I spoke to doctor as I was a mess, they brought in the children and spoke to them, then reported it as safeguarding issue, they called SS and they came round, DS heard that we might get divorced and went into the kitchen, took a knife and said he was going to kill himself cos he was so upset. He blamed himself for SS getting involved because he had spoke out to the doctor and said what husband was doing. That was a year ago, things improved mildly, we still tread on egg shells, it still feels like he’s got two army recruits rather than children. I hate him. He still does the curtain thing, tells me all what cleaning I’ve missed doing round the house, opens cupboards and says loud enough for me to hear ‘ffs can’t even stack a cupboard, has no one taught you anything ’ same with the dishwasher, always redoes it. His way of attacking my mum for ‘apparently not teaching me anything or how to do things properly.’

Last week DS got to our door from school first and rung bell. Husband deliberately left sons bag at end of path so he had to go and get it, then he let DD in and then pushed in front of DS and took his time taking shoes off to make DS wait, son got infuriated by this and pushed into husband to shove him, then DS got angry and bit husband, husband screamed at him and walloped him round the head, the first time he has ever struck him , DS was beside himself, ran in and curled in a ball on the stairs. DD saw what happened and stood trembling in the hall, I tried to console them, all husband went on about was how he was the injured party. Yes he shouldn’t have bitten him but it was years of pent up rage coming out.

After I spoke to DS, he said ‘I just can’t stop thinking about it, I don’t know how my fathers not in prison’.

I confronted husband upstairs and he’s still raising his voice going I don’t know how you can take his side after what he did. He could not see how mean he had been not letting him in. My daughter heard me talking, him raising his voice and told him what she thought how she lives in fear how she has no safe place to go how she doesn’t feel safe at home. He would not even look at her while she poured her heart out and stared at the telly. This was Friday. Today he is acting liking nothing ever happened. Trying to buy the kids off again, like he does every time he treats them like shit. He said before if I ever filed for divorce he would fight me every step of the way and there’s no way he’d let me get custody.

When he is in a good mood, he’s fun, he takes them places, wouldn’t think twice about taking them away for the weekend, he’s generous with all of us. But he has an evil, mean nasty streak that even odd times when it’s not there you are always on heightened alert waiting for it. I very rarely go out as I don’t feel comfortable leaving them with him. I went out for lunch this week, he got them from school, I had a really nice time, I got in and they were both really upset cos he’d screamed at them. I have no life. My kids have no ‘normal’ life, they both suffer with anxiety, my DD has toileting problems since age 4 even now, they said it was behavioural. My DS has anger issues and throws smashes things when he’s frustrated or upset. They both are erratic and have nightmares , my DD struggles to go to sleep cos that’s when she thinks when lying in bed. To the outside world we are a ‘perfect’ family. Nice home. Holidays. Yet we live in hell.

I am seeking legal advice this week, I can’t do it to kids any longer, thing is they will be devastated as love the ‘nice dad’. Has anyone been through this and come out the other side?

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cestlavielife · 16/02/2024 23:38

Both kids are acting out behaviour they have witnessed.
It will take time
Stay calm,stay strong, give them back calm love
Say calmly we do not behave like that in this house
Keep praising your son for what he does welll
It will get better
Follow up on counselling

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 16/02/2024 23:38

yes remove the phone, he does not need any ammunition from her against you

Would phoning Childline or someone help your son right now ?

MariaVT65 · 17/02/2024 02:46

Your poor DD. Is DS at least going to apologise to her?

Northernsouloldies · 17/02/2024 02:49

I've been following this thread, it's incredible one person can inflict so much mayhem within his own family.

Teamdresco · 17/02/2024 05:51

Things to know about abuse that might be helpful for you:
-They do not get better, they get worse.
-There is nothing you can do to change him, put the focus on yourself and your children
-Your DD watching her father hit and hurt her sibling and mother IS also abuse
-Children normalize any behavior they are raised with, the best way to ensure that your DD doesn't end up in abusive relationships is to model for her that when someone abuses you, you leave.
-Children with abusive parents do not learn to hate their parents, they learn to hate themselves
-People talk about staying in a relationship "for the kids" but when there is abuse, you must end the relationship for the kids. It is the best thing you can do for them.
-I live in the US not the UK, so the terminology is different, but if you have proof of violence, then you need a restraining order immediately.
-Document EVERYTHING keep a journal with dates and descriptions of behavior, write what he did, how you felt and how you responded. Talk to your solicitor about what you will need to prove DV in court.
-I am so glad you got the book, Why Does He Do That. I hope you are already reading it. That book helped me leave an abusive relationship after 20 years and helped me understand my parents' relationship much better.
-Know that you and your children are in real danger, the most dangerous time for partners and children of abusive men is right after leaving. Please set up your ring camera to give alerts when anyone comes to the door. Ensure that you are the only one with access. You can also get other things from Ring- such as an alarm system that will phone the police and buttons that you can mount on the wall that will call the police directly.
-Therapy for you and for the kids. Living in an abusive home has an impact but you and the kids can heal from it with some help. Please get the help you and they deserve <3
-You are doing great by leaving, keep up the good work. It is simple, but not easy.
-Right now your physical safety and the safety of your children is the most important thing. Stay vigilant for now, but know that it will get better!
-Know that you are not alone and you are not weak. Abus his more common than we want to think, and leaving is hard to do. So good for you! Keep it up!! It gets so much better <3

Suchagroovyguy · 17/02/2024 10:42

You have to remove their phones. This evil man cannot be allowed to contact them without your say so and continue his abuse and alienation attempts via communications.

AmberV · 17/02/2024 16:03

so peed off. Just phoned MIL, conversation went

Me Did you want to come round tomorrow and see the children
mil Errr I don’t know, errr
Me Well you don’t have to
Mil Well it’s awkward cos of what’s going on, I’m just so upset about it all. Is there no way back for you two?
me No
Mil when they phone him they’re alright
Me Of course he is desperate for his love and approval
Mil He really loves those children
Me People don’t treat people they love like that. Social services and safeguarding are involved the children are having counselling, DS keeps saying he wants to die
she said nothing

why do I always feel like the bad guy here. I have to keep watching all the videos I have and reading the letters to know I’m not imagining all what’s going on . If only they could have seen the state ds was in last night when he was hitting his head on the bannister and wall but I’m the only one that gets to see and try and deal with that. I honestly think I’m close to a bloody mental breakdown.

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AmberV · 17/02/2024 16:05

I would love to play mil some of the videos I have but she would still stick her head in the sand. She didn’t even ask how they were. He obviously hasn’t told her everything . Her other 47 year old son never left home, still lives with her and is a cocaine addict and alcoholic so they’re all welcome to one another

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pikkumyy77 · 17/02/2024 16:40

Its an absolutely dysfunctional and degraded family ( his mother, himself, his brother). I know you are struggling and feel alone but your MIL is incapable of being part of the solution. The best thing for you and the children would be if his entire side of the family should walk into the backyard snd fall into a well, like characters in a bad novel who are no longer needed by the writer.

Comtesse · 17/02/2024 20:11

Ignore MIL she sounds useless. Focus on your kids, ignore hopeless relatives for a bit. No phones for a bit, it won’t do any harm. Big hugs this is a hard stage but it’s not forever Flowers

Catoo · 17/02/2024 21:39

Please don’t give MIL any more details about DC’s trauma and the things they are saying and doing in this stressful time. This will get straight back to H and could be used against you. So will calls that DC make to H. They will be logging all of this as evidence you are making DC unhappy.

Need to know basis only from now on.
Grey rock. MIL is always going to be on H side.

Please move on from trying to prove to other people, including MIL, what he has done. You know, DC know, the professionals dealing with you and DC know. Anyone who doesn’t believe you is not a friend and should be grey rocked or cut off.

You’ve done the right thing getting H out.

In time DC can see MIL. But not now if she can’t accept your terms.

I hope you took advice to secure your home. This is a dangerous time when controlling men realise they have lost control.
💐

Pumpkinpie1 · 17/02/2024 21:51

Your Ex behaviour didn’t just happen he was enabled by his mother . Don’t engage she is part of the problem .
Some people you just need to steer clear of

AmberV · 21/02/2024 08:08

The local well-being Counsellor come round yesterday and spoke to me then spoke to ds, dd didn’t want to talk to her about what she was thinking. She was too upset. counsellor asked ds if he was happier now that daddy was living in a different place he said yes. Later that evening, ds really started playing up, not doing what I was asking, shouting at me and getting angry.

He later came into my bedroom and said he wanted to talk. He said he was really angry that he had to speak to that lady, he was sad about talking about dad. He was crying uncontrollably saying that he’s never going to come home and family is not complete, he just kept saying over and over I don’t care if dad hurts me, he can hurt me 5 times a day, he can murder me I just want him home 😔😔😔😔

Ds cried himself to sleep. dd came and joined us and we all ended up sleeping in the same bed .

I hate him for what he’s done to us seeing what he’s putting the children through. It’s so hard to stay strong but going back to how things were is not an option. I just hope this devastation is over soon.

Children have not asked to contact him for 3 days now. mil has not even contacted to see how children are. It’s her poor son who’s the victim in all this cos ‘he really loves those kids’ 😡😡😡😡😡😡 not a clue

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theansweris42 · 21/02/2024 09:22

OP lots of love to you all.

You're at the start of your recovery.
It's great that DS came to you to talk.

Just keep talking, being open about Dad and the situation. You are their consistent safe person as you know.

Sahlife · 21/02/2024 09:22

Sounds awful. Your kids are so trauma bonded. Have you managed to speak to a solicitor?
You're a great mum for getting out of it, stay strong.

mcmooberry · 21/02/2024 09:56

You absolutely have done the right thing even though I can imagine feeling sick with anxiety about how it isn't all peace and harmony immediately, trauma bonding is the truth of the matter. And people aren't awful 100% of the time, it would be easy to forget just how bad the bad times were.

Hope your children can have counselling soon to help them understand this isn't their fault.

Sending love and support xx

pikkumyy77 · 21/02/2024 11:32

Record your children saying these things, if it is legal to do so. This agonizing stage will pass but you may need irrefutable proof of harm to prevent the children masking to get back to dad.

samqueens · 21/02/2024 15:39

I’m so sorry it is so hard OP. You are doing brilliantly. Your son quite naturally reacts because when he speaks the truth about his dad he is also wracked with guilt and feels that he is contributing to his father not being at home. It will be a long, long time until he is able to see things differently and in the meantime it asks an incredible amount from you to stay strong. Keep validating his feelings and the truth of his father’s behaviour. Do not look for support from those who will never give it (your H, his mother, probably many other people) and surround yourself with those who will buoy you and your kids up and help strengthen your resolve. You’ve done an amazing thing, just keep going on step at a time xxxx

AmberV · 21/02/2024 15:54

Thanks for your messages. I feel rock bottom, I’m just absolutely exhausted physically and mentally. Social care are starting their assessment at the school a week after next. I just hope they speak out to the lady. I have loads of videos but can’t use them in court, all I can hope is that the children speak to social care and I can get it recorded that way.

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Windydaysandwetnights · 21/02/2024 17:43

Your dc should not have phones... As the adult you get to decide that. Remove any opportunities to be in contact with their df....

Raspberrymoon49 · 21/02/2024 18:13

So sorry this is happening to you OP, member of my family in a similar situation with a narcissistic father of her children, it’s heartbreaking and such a heavy load for the woman, I wish someone would completely support you and my family member and can understand how you feel close to breaking down, please keep going, this shit will be behind you one day

AmberV · 21/02/2024 22:44

we just had a nice evening had something to eat, watched Netflix film, then I was clearing the stuff downstairs, they’ve gone up and I could hear them messing about, ds was sitting with his legs through the bannisters and somehow dd knocked into his leg, he’s straight away thought she’d hurt him on purpose and bit her hard on the leg. Then he’s gone in his bedroom and started bashing his head on his light and wall again , he’s got a proper big lump on his forehead, and her leg looks really sore, I can’t stop crying , it’s so awful , like a living nightmare every day. Ds keeps saying he wants to kill himself, saying I hate my life I’m just a useless idiot I don’t even know why I’m alive . I honestly don’t know how much more of this I can take. I will get them both to doctors again tomorrow and try and get counselling pushed through quicker . I’m at my wits end. Ds saying he wants daddy back home how it’s not the same without him. I’m devastated

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Wooloohooloo · 21/02/2024 23:06

Block MIL. Remove the children's phones. Don't have any contact with your ex or his family, at all.

RandomMess · 21/02/2024 23:57
Flowers

This is the first time it's been safe for him to "feel" and he's overwhelmed.

He doesn't want his Dad back, he wants his feelings to go away again because he's only a child.

Things will improve I promise.

Lysianthus · 22/02/2024 00:56

Agrée with @RandomMess . Please ask GP for Referral to Camhs and get social services involved if you haven't already.
They are kids who have no idea how to process, or manage, their thoughts and fears. All they know is fight (or flight) as natural reactions. They will need support to understand.
I hope you are getting the help you need too. Flowers

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