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Husband horrible to me and children

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AmberV · 05/02/2024 13:50

Apologies in advance for the long message. Just the tip of the iceberg. My husband has always been demanding, suffocating, overbearing. When I moved in he wanted the toilet roll a certain way, the towels on the hand rail in the bathroom had to be perfectly level. He would always redo them after I did them. The curtains had to be pulled just so and every day he would redo them moaning and tutting. Like a fool I put up with it and thought he’s got ocd for cleanliness, it’s just ‘his way’.
After we had children I packed up work and it got worse he would want the house just so. Whatever I did it felt wrong. Now the children are 8 DS and 10 DD, he is so mean to our son, says he’s trying to toughen him up. When son got frustrated when he was around 4 or 5 if he lost at something or couldn’t do something he would roll on the floor beside himself hysterical upset, my husband would laugh and go and get the phone to record it which infuriated DS more. Last year it got to the point I could take no more, he shouted right in my face saying how pathetic I was in front of the children because I said that son didn’t want to ‘play fight’ anymore as it generally ended with him in tears. He would shout at them practically every day for not hanging up their coat or put their shoes away, when he really loses his temper they cower in the kitchen under the table or go and hide under their bed or under their bed covers. I spoke to doctor as I was a mess, they brought in the children and spoke to them, then reported it as safeguarding issue, they called SS and they came round, DS heard that we might get divorced and went into the kitchen, took a knife and said he was going to kill himself cos he was so upset. He blamed himself for SS getting involved because he had spoke out to the doctor and said what husband was doing. That was a year ago, things improved mildly, we still tread on egg shells, it still feels like he’s got two army recruits rather than children. I hate him. He still does the curtain thing, tells me all what cleaning I’ve missed doing round the house, opens cupboards and says loud enough for me to hear ‘ffs can’t even stack a cupboard, has no one taught you anything ’ same with the dishwasher, always redoes it. His way of attacking my mum for ‘apparently not teaching me anything or how to do things properly.’

Last week DS got to our door from school first and rung bell. Husband deliberately left sons bag at end of path so he had to go and get it, then he let DD in and then pushed in front of DS and took his time taking shoes off to make DS wait, son got infuriated by this and pushed into husband to shove him, then DS got angry and bit husband, husband screamed at him and walloped him round the head, the first time he has ever struck him , DS was beside himself, ran in and curled in a ball on the stairs. DD saw what happened and stood trembling in the hall, I tried to console them, all husband went on about was how he was the injured party. Yes he shouldn’t have bitten him but it was years of pent up rage coming out.

After I spoke to DS, he said ‘I just can’t stop thinking about it, I don’t know how my fathers not in prison’.

I confronted husband upstairs and he’s still raising his voice going I don’t know how you can take his side after what he did. He could not see how mean he had been not letting him in. My daughter heard me talking, him raising his voice and told him what she thought how she lives in fear how she has no safe place to go how she doesn’t feel safe at home. He would not even look at her while she poured her heart out and stared at the telly. This was Friday. Today he is acting liking nothing ever happened. Trying to buy the kids off again, like he does every time he treats them like shit. He said before if I ever filed for divorce he would fight me every step of the way and there’s no way he’d let me get custody.

When he is in a good mood, he’s fun, he takes them places, wouldn’t think twice about taking them away for the weekend, he’s generous with all of us. But he has an evil, mean nasty streak that even odd times when it’s not there you are always on heightened alert waiting for it. I very rarely go out as I don’t feel comfortable leaving them with him. I went out for lunch this week, he got them from school, I had a really nice time, I got in and they were both really upset cos he’d screamed at them. I have no life. My kids have no ‘normal’ life, they both suffer with anxiety, my DD has toileting problems since age 4 even now, they said it was behavioural. My DS has anger issues and throws smashes things when he’s frustrated or upset. They both are erratic and have nightmares , my DD struggles to go to sleep cos that’s when she thinks when lying in bed. To the outside world we are a ‘perfect’ family. Nice home. Holidays. Yet we live in hell.

I am seeking legal advice this week, I can’t do it to kids any longer, thing is they will be devastated as love the ‘nice dad’. Has anyone been through this and come out the other side?

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Garlickit · 22/02/2024 01:17

Just here to agree with the others Flowers It wasn't safe to show their feelings around their dad; they'll have developed all sorts of odd coping mechanisms as kids do. Now you've made it safe for them to express themselves, it's all tumbling out in weird ways.

I hope you're giving yourself credit for being the strong and steady mother they now need to get free! Good luck at the doctor's, and please do award yourself a treat of some sort. x

MariaVT65 · 22/02/2024 02:02

Your DD seems to be now putting up with several physical assaults from her brother. Is there anyone else she can stay with for a bit?

carrotcakebae · 22/02/2024 03:11

I want to wish you luck and pray you through this .
My partner is exactly the same . I could relate to the things in your post such as the swearing , meanness and OCD . He isn't mean to the DC ( DS is 3.5 and DD is 1) but he doesn't spend time with them nor does he do anything with them or for them , everything is my responsibility. I didn't plan on leaving but wanted out for so long and have tried to leave but came back. These past 4 months I went to stay with my mum abroad where she lives and this has been a life changing experience, I've gained so much perspective and started to grow and work in myself . I'm also a better parent and my DS who is showing signs on autism seems to be making better progress these few months since moving away . I've even managed to save money and started rebuilding my life for example my mum will help with the kids as I continued with my online course for example, shes even allowed me to purchase clothing for myself on her credit as i just never cared about myself and there was also financial and other sorts of abuse going on. My mum has even encouraged me to start driving which im due to do the test soon .
Hopefully I return to the UK in the next month or two and intend to rent a property, settle the kids into nursery and complete my course and eventually get a job. It's not easy but I'm starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. When I first got to my mum's I was underweight and crying constantly.My partner goes through phases where he wants me back etc then curses me out randomly . I am definitely in a stronger position now when dealing with it and hopefully when I return to the UK I'll be able to handle things better. I just wanted to share so you know your not alone.

AmberV · 22/02/2024 04:29

just woke up and for a split second thought I’d had a nightmare rather than it being real. Thanks for your messages, I really appreciate the support.

I think you’re right about him feeling overwhelmed with his feelings and emotions, he has so much going on in his little head and just doesn’t know how to deal with it. Each attack on his sister has been in the evening so after we’ve watched Netflix from now on I’ll get dd to go up on her own to get ready for bed and then send him up, keep them separated. He’s fine while we’re cuddled up watching tv I guess that takes his mind off things and then as soon as that goes off, it hits him.

@carrotcakebae thanks for sharing your story, that’s so amazing all what you’ve done to set up a new life for you and your children. You should be so proud of yourself. So lucky that we have supportive mums.

I felt like you that once you break away from H hold you have a chance to process things and see the enormity of the situation you were in, when you’re living in it you can’t think clearly and your self esteem is so rock bottom you lose all belief in yourself. I got to the point where I couldn’t make a decision on buying the smallest thing for the house without getting his approval of it. I felt incapable of making any decision for myself. I pray that we can both keep pushing forward with our new independent peaceful lives as hard as it may be sometimes x

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Shouldbedoing · 22/02/2024 07:53

Carrotcakebae, you could contact Women's Aid by email for help with your return to live in UK. He could kick off at that point. We'll.done for saving yourself from oppression.

And AmberV too!

AmberV · 03/03/2024 17:16

Thank you so much for recommending why does he do that by Lundy Bancroft, it is so accurate about how life has been for me, I feel like sending it to our friends who don’t believe how it was and saying look, this is what he did. Unless you know an abuser like it, to the outside world they are charming personified. I went on lundys website and saw this and it really hit home. This book is life changing for me .

Abuser programs can’t work magic. For an abuser to make lasting changes, he has to work on himself very hard, and he has to completely stop blaming women for his behavior. He has to stay in an abuser program far longer than the minimum time that the program lasts; something more like 18-24 months, not 3-6 months. And it’s very hard to get an abuser to stay in a program that long, because deep down he blames his partners, current and past, for everything he does.
Don’t let too much of your life slip away, hoping that he’ll change. Over the past three decades I’ve heard a hundred or more women say, “I wish I could get back all those years I lost trying to get him to work on himself.” But I’ve never once yet heard a woman say, “I gave up on my abusive partner too soon. I wish I’d given him more of a chance.”
You have the magic, but not the magic to change him. Your magic is the ability to build a new life for yourself, a life that’s about you and not about him.

Things are slowly improving my DS was physically trying to hurt himself week before last, banging his head into the wall and stair bannister trying to kill himself, doctor asked him why he did it, he said it made him feel better. This week it’s been much calmer. DS has started counselling and so have I and I’m doing the Triple R course run by safer places which is really good. My dd is due to start counselling this week. I actually laid in bed until 9.30am today, I have not done that for years as H would always be stomping around and glaring as if I should have things to do. I have been reading, again something I’ve never done for years as I was never able to relax. If I sat down and heard him on the way up the stairs I’d always jump up and start busying myself . Our life at home definitely has its rollercoaster of emotions with the children but the difference is incredible, we finally have calm in our lives and peace. I know it’s going to be a long road ahead going through divorce, no doubt he will make it hell but however bad it gets, it will be a million times better than the life we had 🙂

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OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 03/03/2024 18:11

I am so pleased / relieved you have updated us again.

I know we are all strangers and I know this is ' just ' the internet / a form of social media but some of you I do think about when I am not on my laptop.
There is one lady I am really hoping comes back to her post, but I believe and hope she is still getting her ducks in a row.

Do you know if ds is saying anything in his counselling ? as I guess you are not present, I so hope he is speaking as deep down he has a lot to say.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 03/03/2024 18:13

I think your MIL should have a copy of that book, for Mother's Day.

Pinkbonbon · 03/03/2024 18:22

I think you need to have a chat along the lines of 'I understand that you're hurting but that's doesn't mean you can hurt other people. We're going to work things through together but I need you to be a big boy now and use a healthy way to work through your feelings when you are stressed. Not take it out on other people or your own body'.

It's good to be understanding but children also need boundaries.

Could you get him a tennis ball he can go outside and throw off a wall and catch every time he gets stressed? Or a basket ball and hoop. It might also help to have him join a sport like football so he can work off his excess energy.

I don't agree with just waiting and hoping. And therapy will help but you need to put in the work there too.

samqueens · 03/03/2024 19:20

I’m so glad you have managed to get the book - I also found it life changing and more valuable than therapy/counselling or anything else in terms of empowering ME to see what was happening to ME and what I could do to protect myself.

There are probably a few lines here and there you could pull out and use to explain a bit more to your son as well.

Part of the passage you pulled out above is a great for that “You have the magic, but not the magic to change [your dad’s behaviour]. Your magic is the ability to… [be kind to] yourself [and to those around you]”.

I’m so glad you’ve been able to feel a little calmer and glimpse how the future could be. It will be a long road with lots of backwards steps as well as forwards ones, but as long as you keep him at a distance it will be better. So proud of you for everything you are doing. It’s very, very hard. Keep coming back x

Catoo · 03/03/2024 20:21

Well done OP.

What you’ve all been having to live with must be starting to hit home - now you can relax and do those small things like have a lie in and read a book. DC will be feeling this too and it’s good to hear DS is calming down a bit too.

I hope you have managed to secure your home and that he has been told to stay away by social/police.

💐

Teamdresco · 04/03/2024 07:16

That book was a game changer for me too and was instrumental in helping me leave an abusive marriage after 20 years. My ex was not physically abusive until the very end, but I lived with pretty intense emotional abuse from day 1 and didn’t even recognize it as such. I’m so glad you read it and found it helpful! It also makes me feel more confident that I won’t fall for that trap again! I also started reading for pleasure after I left my marriage- actually I started doing lots of things simply because I enjoyed them- something I wasn’t allowed to do in my marriage. I’m two years out and I just want to assure you that it only gets better. Sometimes I feel lonely, but I remember that I was very lonely in my marriage too, so it’s not actually related to leaving the marriage.
About your DS- I took in my nephew 5 years ago because my sister (his mom) couldn’t care for him. He had been severely abused and neglected and he had similar behaviors to what you’re describing with your DS. Therapy has helped loads, also I cannot overstate the importance of predicable routines and predictable reactions from you. One of the things children experience living with abuse is that it is so unpredictable and reactions to one behavior can be radically different from day to day which makes children feel over-responsible for creating a sense of safety and that often comes out as erratic or controlling behaviors. It is overwhelming for them. So, it helps to make charts and do a lot of repetitive things to establish a sense of predictability and safety in your home. Also, our therapist recommended that we have “tantrum time” scheduled regularly. This meant that we would set a timer and spend several minutes screaming and hitting a pillow or stomp our feet or something similar to release our challenging and scary feelings in a safe way. It was a big part of the work with him to let him know that his anger was ok, his sadness is ok, his fear is ok- expressing our feelings is ok, it’s healthy to express our feelings in ways that do not hurt us or anyone else. I got my nephew when he was 11, he was angry and violent and deeply sad. Now he’s 16 and he’s one of the most delightful teenagers you could imagine. You’re on the right path. Sending lots of love and strength your way.

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