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Am I losing my mind/AIBU about this behaviour/attitude?

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Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 17:22

There is such a back story to this/a history of 12 years that for space and time reasons I can't fully explain. But currently, I am in a situation of trying to work out whether to stay or leave the relationship and feel I totally lost confidence in my ability to make a decision, am worried I will regret a decision to leave and need some perspectives from outsiders to the situation. This is already going to be SO long, so very sorry, and thanks in advance for reading!

I am fed up of my DH behaviour. He has always been selfish/very interested in his own hobbies and pursuits and these have come first, but it mattered less when we were young as I used the time to do my own things/progress my career etc. Now, we are older (me late 30s, him mid 40s), with a 3 year old child and another on the way. Some examples of how he behaves:

  1. His running - marathon - dictates his availability to a large extent. He runs most days, including 5 hours on a Sunday, couple hours on a Saturday, 3 hours on a Tuesday evening. Then Weds and Thurs he runs few hours Weds, running and tennis for 4 hours on a Thurs both during the day as he only works part-time. I have always been the organiser (he hates organising, in his own words, so never does any, whether for social or family admin stuff), but have to organise anything we do/seeing friends not only around this but also the 16 week marathon schedule he works to (twice per year as he runs two marathons, one in April, one in October). He expects evenings with friends, holidays etc to be planned accordingly so as not to interfere with his running schedule.
  2. As a result of the above I have very little/no time for my hobbies. He frequently tells me to get hobbies/do more exercise etc but of course only when he is not doing the above. Any 'free' time I get is spent cooking/paying household bills/sorting stuff for the child/walking the dogs etc. I have no time for hobbies really.
  3. He is messy and disorganised. He leaves his stuff everywhere (clothes on floor, won't chuck anything out so has 5 wardrobes full of clothes, refuses to iron or fold or hang things so its just heaps of it all stuffed into wardrobes overflowing). He leaves paperwork everywhere and if I tidy and put it away in a drawer he moans that it isn't where he left it. He loses the house key frequently. He loses earphones etc. and blames me. He is late for everything including work every day (but his own business so gets away with it).
  4. He does minimal household chores. He will unload/put dishwasher on, occasionally does a load of washing (but won't put it away), occasionally walks dogs (if told he has to because for e.g I have to be in work early or late), and he does a school drop off or pick up most days. But that is it. He doesn't organise anything, buy anything for our child, arrange any activities, do any general cleaning, changing beds, paying bills, food shop, cooking, washing up etc. So he probably spend 2-3 hours per week on household stuff and I spend about 2-3 hours per day when taking cooking into account.
  5. He is dismissive of rules/safety etc. An example is he can't be bothered to loosen and tighten the straps in the car seat so will squeeze DC into it as it is and then lets the straps sit across her arms rather than on her shoulders. He is frequently involved in mild altercations in the car - he is always blaming someone for being in the wrong lane/cutting him up and ending up having arguments with those drivers. He cares little for speed limits - driving 55+ in a 40 because he treats the 40 sign as the starting point to reduce speed. He is always late so always speeding.
  6. He is dismissive of the need for any medical attention, ever. After the birth of my DC I had a PPH and, after finally getting home, was feeling worse and worse each day until I eventually felt I needed to go back to labour ward. Turns out I had the start of sepsis, needed several days in hospital, blood transfusions, IV antibiotics etc. He was in a huge mood that I was going back into hospital, told me it wasn't necessary, made me doubt myself and put off going to get seen for a day. He then was moody with doctors, saying I didn't have sepsis just an infection, and refused to come to visit me the following day (I was there alone feeding my newborn whilst trying to recover from sepsis) because he was so annoyed. Friday night DC woke with croup - has had before but only usually gets the cough, this time she had some breathing issues as well. Saturday morning asked if he would ask our mutual friend (who he knows a bit better/has his mobile number) who is a GP whether he would recommend anything. He refused to message him, insisting she was fine. I should add that when he came into our bed unwell with croup he immediately just left, no asking if I needed anything/any help.
  7. Related to above - our elderly dog has a recurring UTI - started in November and now on 3rd lot of antibiotics. Husband denies he has a UTI/or if accepts it declares no need to do anything about it. As a result, he won't get involved with giving him the meds, won't take him to the vets and has refused to give me any money towards the almost £1k vet bill (He has had 7 urine tests, one set of bloods, a scan of his bladder and 6 appointments plus 3 lots of antibiotics) as he says I shouldn't have paid for any of it/done any of it.
  8. Bills - arrangement when we first moved into our house was I paid all utilities and food, as I was a student then and only working part time. He was working his own business earning £100k+. He paid mortgage and council tax. So he was paying more, but also earned way more (I earned about £15k at the time). My earnings have since increased, but bills have massively gone up so what used to be about £800 a month is now £3k when taking into account childcare etc. He paid mortgage off. Agreement last year (after I begged) was that he would contribute half to the bills now he wasn't paying mortgage and because they were now so much more than they used to be. I have to chase/remind/beg every month for the money and he eventually pays it a month late, meaning I am constantly £1500 out of pocket. He won't set up standing order. He refuses to pay towards things he sees are unnecessary (presents for friend's birthday parties etc).
  9. We remortgaged last year to allow us to do some work to the house and potentially invest some money elsewhere. He promptly took about 65/70% of the money, put it into his own savings accounts and bonds that tied the money up for a year making it inaccessible. He didn't tell me he was doing this. So when bills come in for work to house or whatever he says he can't help as all the money is tied up until X.
  10. He went on holiday with his friend recently. He had mentioned doing it - which is fine, they often have a few days away together as an annual thing - and I just asked to be given notice of what dates he was planning so I could arrange grandparents to help etc. He booked it then told me the dates, which clashed with me being away on a course for work AND our 20 week scan, which he missed. No apology, no acknowledgement this was a problem.

Whenever I attempt to bring these things up it ends up in him getting defensive and ignoring me for several days. He won't sleep well because he gets in such a mood about it, so will be up all hours banging and making sure I am also disturbed (or at least, has no care whether I am). He will then promptly return to normal and ignore everything as if the argument never happened. He makes me doubt myself/feel like all of this is trivial so I end up feeling like it is all in my head or I am being unreasonable. Like with household stuff, when I suggest we write down the list of weekly tasks and divide them, he accuses me of being boring, says relationships shouldn't be about itemising every single task you do, and points towards our friends who had an agreement to do this but ended up splitting up (I hasten to add, they split because one had an affair, nothing to do with the division of household labour!!) He will then say 'and anyway, I do loads of things you don't like put bins out (not strictly true as I also do this regularly and bring them in after collection day, I am always the one to take stuff to the tip as I hate mess/clutter etc) and cut the grass (the latter is true but that only happens 6 months of the year and takes an hour a week, so still nothing in comparison).

I just don't know what to do anymore. I don't know how much better it would be if I left, as many of these problems would persist - finances, car seat etc would all remain a problem. I also don't trust him to have my DC on his own for any length of time because he is so disorganised and, for example, would not take her to hospital if she was unwell, would leave her crying in the night so he didn't have to deal with her etc. When she was younger and slept very badly he would get so angry he would hit walls in the middle of the night when she wouldn't sleep :(

OP posts:
HopeFloatsAbove · 04/02/2024 17:35

Will he have time to have DD anyway with all his pampering schedules and lifestyle? Seriously I would have left years ago

Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 17:37

Well quite @HopeFloatsAbove - he would want to have her sometimes but it would be around his schedule for sure. He likes doing bedtime with her because he gets to cuddle her while she is asleep and play on his phone, and he takes her to a couple of classes here and there and he can sit in cafe and mess about on phone or do some work on his laptop. So sure he would be fine to do those bits but probably not much more :/

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pantsalot · 04/02/2024 17:39

Leave, you can't help him.

Eyesopenwideawake · 04/02/2024 17:41

And his good points are??

He may threaten to take the children 50/50 to try and make you stay but in reality you won't see him for dust.

Take that first step - go and see a solicitor.

Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 17:43

I live pretty independent of him emotionally as it is. I did take my DC to see doctor yesterday, for eg. After he dismissed it and refused to ask his friend, I asked him myself and he recommended he should have a single steroid dose so I took her to get that but didn’t bother telling DH, so he is none the wiser. He isn’t the first person I would call in an emergency and I dont bother telling him most stuff. But financially it is complex and obviously I’ve been physically with him a long time - I’m close to his family and worry about all that I will lose and whether I’ll be any happier as a result :/

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Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 17:44

I tried to think hard for an example but struggling, which I feel bad about. We do have similar sense of humour and on some occasions he has been supportive, and there are some good memories from our 15 years together - I think that’s what kept me here until now tbh :/

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CoffeeBeansGalore · 04/02/2024 17:49

He's a selfish tosspot. How on earth have you put up with this for so long?

Dhekaksnsjellfv · 04/02/2024 17:51

Jesus at first I was thinking what a selfish pig but maybe it’s unintentional, but then the hospital stuff is just another level, I can’t even get my head around it. What was he mad at? That it wasn’t about him?
ignoring you for days is abusive too. Everything else is manipulative selfish bs.

can you document unsafe behaviour, and seek some legal advice re children.
sounds like you’re doing everything anyway but at least you’ll have one less person to look after if you leave.
im all for fight for your marriage but if you can’t communicate with the bloke and he doesn’t care about yours or your child’s health and well-being, I dunno where you go from there.

Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 17:51

I was a bit sick last night before bed - was taking my prenatal vitamins and for some reason one got a bit stuck and I threw it up. I was changing bed sheets when he came in and looked surprised. Explained what had happened. He told me we need to ‘toughen me up’ - as in, I’m weak in general which is why I was sick. I’m assuming this was supposed to be a joke but I literally don’t find anything he says funny anymore, I probably take everything very personally and I’m probably snappy with him as a result. So he constantly plays victim telling me how horrible I am to him. Sigh

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BCBird · 04/02/2024 17:52

I cannot see how u will be any worse off emotionally. Peace is underrated.

OhcantthInkofaname · 04/02/2024 17:59

Think about how much less stress you'll have in your life with him gone.

Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 18:01

How do I do it? I’m dreading the thought of living with him whilst separated. It’s already hard to communicate and would be even worse. I don’t want to leave house as would be seeking to stay and buy him out (though he might fight that).

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Dhekaksnsjellfv · 04/02/2024 18:01

So he constantly plays victim telling me how horrible I am to him

what a poor guy, his pregnant wife does most of the child care and housework, cleans up after him and enables him to undertake all his hobbies and passions, whilst having nothing for herself.

but she doesn’t laugh quite enough at his ‘jokes.’
and she doesn’t pay enough attention to his constant critique of how she could be better (like him) if she took his advice. It’s a cruel existence.

God he sounds SO relentlessly tiresome

Scarydinosaurs · 04/02/2024 18:02

I cannot imagine how you bring yourself to have sex with such a dickhead.

He sounds utterly insufferable tbh.

I’d take the risk and leave and see what happens with regards to shared childcare. From your description it sounds as if he wouldn’t be organised enough to have them. He might be a dick to you about money, but he’s being a dick right now about money - so at least you could eventually be divorced and free of his insane inconsistencies with spending money/splitting bills.

Go and speak to a solicitor and get their advice. I think you’d feel stronger knowing what sort of situation you’re looking at.

Eyesopenwideawake · 04/02/2024 18:04

Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 18:01

How do I do it? I’m dreading the thought of living with him whilst separated. It’s already hard to communicate and would be even worse. I don’t want to leave house as would be seeking to stay and buy him out (though he might fight that).

Don't think too far ahead. Get legal advice first and foremost and find out what's possible and what your options are. Is your own family close by and/or supportive?

Dhekaksnsjellfv · 04/02/2024 18:07

How do I do it? I’m dreading the thought of living with him whilst separated.
dont worry that far ahead yet. One step at a time. Get some advice and figure out how much you might need to buy him out, how quickly things could move, how you might protect your children from him if he wants shared custody, figure out your own finances and logistics.
then if you still want to take the next step it’ll all feel clearer. You don’t have to commit to leaving or telling him you’re leaving yet.

Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 18:15

Thanks everyone for making me feel less like I’m the problem here. I’m not perfect and imagine I’m not great to live with anymore either as I’m constantly on edge and have lost all patience with the situation tbh. So he is probably right that I’m not very nice/I can’t be bothered with pretending anymore. He is currently in a mood/declared his unhappiness with me earlier because typically he runs 5 hours on a Sunday leaving house 8.30am and historically has expected me to get up early to walk dogs before he goes (can’t do it after he goes as have DC to get ready for her activities). A while ago I pointed out this wasn’t fair particularly when he often wakes about 6.30am anyway but will stay in bed playing on his phone rather than get up and take dogs out. So agreement was he would walk them if he woke up. This morning my alarm went off, I checked phone and sure enough he is active on FB messenger etc indicating he is already up. I sent message asking what had happened to him taking dogs if he woke up first. He got in a mood saying he has only just woken up, ‘this is why we argue, you speak to me like shit’ and has been in a huff all day and likely won’t speak properly to me now for several days. But he is probably right, I’ve not worded it well and have jumped to conclusion he has been awake messing on his phone without knowing how long he has been up. I took the dogs in the end.

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TheShellBeach · 04/02/2024 18:18

When she was younger and slept very badly he would get so angry he would hit walls in the middle of the night when she wouldn't sleep

That would have had me packing his bags. And that's without all his other bad points.

BTW OP did you know that the Reply button on Mumsnet is broken?

To respond to someone, click on the three dots and select QUOTE.

Jibo · 04/02/2024 18:19

YANBU, your husband is clearly a dick.

He will almost certainly not bother seeing the children if he has to have them on his own so really the choice to make here is whether it's going to be nicer for you to be a full-time single parent or carry on as you are. Weigh up all the elements e.g. lifestyle, money, your and the DCs' emotional wellbeing - e.g. he isn't nice/supportive to you, and it can be terrifying to travel with a road ragey speeding driver, and make the choice. Personally I'd rather go it alone, although you may want to wait until you've got through the birth/newborn stage (esp. if this is a higher risk pregnancy) and perhaps also for Ddog to cross the rainbow bridge. Good luck!

Therollinghills · 04/02/2024 18:20

Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 18:15

Thanks everyone for making me feel less like I’m the problem here. I’m not perfect and imagine I’m not great to live with anymore either as I’m constantly on edge and have lost all patience with the situation tbh. So he is probably right that I’m not very nice/I can’t be bothered with pretending anymore. He is currently in a mood/declared his unhappiness with me earlier because typically he runs 5 hours on a Sunday leaving house 8.30am and historically has expected me to get up early to walk dogs before he goes (can’t do it after he goes as have DC to get ready for her activities). A while ago I pointed out this wasn’t fair particularly when he often wakes about 6.30am anyway but will stay in bed playing on his phone rather than get up and take dogs out. So agreement was he would walk them if he woke up. This morning my alarm went off, I checked phone and sure enough he is active on FB messenger etc indicating he is already up. I sent message asking what had happened to him taking dogs if he woke up first. He got in a mood saying he has only just woken up, ‘this is why we argue, you speak to me like shit’ and has been in a huff all day and likely won’t speak properly to me now for several days. But he is probably right, I’ve not worded it well and have jumped to conclusion he has been awake messing on his phone without knowing how long he has been up. I took the dogs in the end.

From what you've said he's probably lying about having just woken up, my ex who is similar used to do shit like this all the time. Like he'd say he'd cleaned the kitchen whilst I was out but it'd still be dirty and the cleaning stuff wouldn't have moved. Then he'd go berserk at me saying I didn't trust him and I was a ridiculous human being etc when I asked him if he'd actually cleaned. Makes you feel like you're going mad.

Scarydinosaurs · 04/02/2024 18:21

It sounds like the dynamic has been skewed towards him for so long, you’ve been brainwashed into thinking this is normal.

If he is out for a five hour run, HE takes the dogs out. Taking five hours of the day for himself means he walks the dogs. You’re the one pregnant and looking after a child.

He is treating you like shit, so you talking to him like shit is sort of inevitable. What needs addressing is this massive disproportional split of admin and childcare.

Dery · 04/02/2024 18:23

He sounds incredibly selfish. He basically wants to live like he’s single. I don’t know whether this is really a thing or not but I have noticed that quite often on MN, when a poster’s partner is behaving incredibly selfishly post-children, they have either been together for a very short time before having DCs (in which case they don’t really know the guy) or - like you - they’ve been together for a rather long time before having children. It’s like some men can’t make the switch to acting like a parent with a partner with whom they enjoyed many, many years of just pleasing themselves.

I don’t think you’re missing overreacting if you decide you don’t want to be married to him any more.

MadamVastra · 04/02/2024 18:25

I'm not reading all of that because I know how it will read

whst advice are you looking for? Because there's only one piece we are going to give you

leave him

ErnestCelendine · 04/02/2024 18:28

It really is him and not you. How do men like this get a second date, never mind a wife.

LookItsMeAgain · 04/02/2024 18:42

I read points 1 and 2 in your post @Anotheranxiousone , and I thought I really don't need to read any further because I'd be out the door.

Leave.

He'll have to step up in the organising of his running, the care of his child(ren) and anything else that you have been carrying the load for over the past so many years.

If you fell ill, had a serious illness or were incapacitated in any way, his world would fall apart because he has no want or reason to do any of the stuff that you do simply because he knows you will do it for him. So stop.

Start having hobbies and interests of your own and let the organising of his hobbies fall to him. You are not his P.A. or his mother.

Tell him that this is what is going to happen (so that it doesn't come as a huge shock to him) so that he can take over the well oiled machine you have set up for him.

You'd have to sort out your own bills and whatever else you do if he wasn't there and you'd have time for your own interests so leave. He is significantly holding you back here.

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