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Am I losing my mind/AIBU about this behaviour/attitude?

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Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 17:22

There is such a back story to this/a history of 12 years that for space and time reasons I can't fully explain. But currently, I am in a situation of trying to work out whether to stay or leave the relationship and feel I totally lost confidence in my ability to make a decision, am worried I will regret a decision to leave and need some perspectives from outsiders to the situation. This is already going to be SO long, so very sorry, and thanks in advance for reading!

I am fed up of my DH behaviour. He has always been selfish/very interested in his own hobbies and pursuits and these have come first, but it mattered less when we were young as I used the time to do my own things/progress my career etc. Now, we are older (me late 30s, him mid 40s), with a 3 year old child and another on the way. Some examples of how he behaves:

  1. His running - marathon - dictates his availability to a large extent. He runs most days, including 5 hours on a Sunday, couple hours on a Saturday, 3 hours on a Tuesday evening. Then Weds and Thurs he runs few hours Weds, running and tennis for 4 hours on a Thurs both during the day as he only works part-time. I have always been the organiser (he hates organising, in his own words, so never does any, whether for social or family admin stuff), but have to organise anything we do/seeing friends not only around this but also the 16 week marathon schedule he works to (twice per year as he runs two marathons, one in April, one in October). He expects evenings with friends, holidays etc to be planned accordingly so as not to interfere with his running schedule.
  2. As a result of the above I have very little/no time for my hobbies. He frequently tells me to get hobbies/do more exercise etc but of course only when he is not doing the above. Any 'free' time I get is spent cooking/paying household bills/sorting stuff for the child/walking the dogs etc. I have no time for hobbies really.
  3. He is messy and disorganised. He leaves his stuff everywhere (clothes on floor, won't chuck anything out so has 5 wardrobes full of clothes, refuses to iron or fold or hang things so its just heaps of it all stuffed into wardrobes overflowing). He leaves paperwork everywhere and if I tidy and put it away in a drawer he moans that it isn't where he left it. He loses the house key frequently. He loses earphones etc. and blames me. He is late for everything including work every day (but his own business so gets away with it).
  4. He does minimal household chores. He will unload/put dishwasher on, occasionally does a load of washing (but won't put it away), occasionally walks dogs (if told he has to because for e.g I have to be in work early or late), and he does a school drop off or pick up most days. But that is it. He doesn't organise anything, buy anything for our child, arrange any activities, do any general cleaning, changing beds, paying bills, food shop, cooking, washing up etc. So he probably spend 2-3 hours per week on household stuff and I spend about 2-3 hours per day when taking cooking into account.
  5. He is dismissive of rules/safety etc. An example is he can't be bothered to loosen and tighten the straps in the car seat so will squeeze DC into it as it is and then lets the straps sit across her arms rather than on her shoulders. He is frequently involved in mild altercations in the car - he is always blaming someone for being in the wrong lane/cutting him up and ending up having arguments with those drivers. He cares little for speed limits - driving 55+ in a 40 because he treats the 40 sign as the starting point to reduce speed. He is always late so always speeding.
  6. He is dismissive of the need for any medical attention, ever. After the birth of my DC I had a PPH and, after finally getting home, was feeling worse and worse each day until I eventually felt I needed to go back to labour ward. Turns out I had the start of sepsis, needed several days in hospital, blood transfusions, IV antibiotics etc. He was in a huge mood that I was going back into hospital, told me it wasn't necessary, made me doubt myself and put off going to get seen for a day. He then was moody with doctors, saying I didn't have sepsis just an infection, and refused to come to visit me the following day (I was there alone feeding my newborn whilst trying to recover from sepsis) because he was so annoyed. Friday night DC woke with croup - has had before but only usually gets the cough, this time she had some breathing issues as well. Saturday morning asked if he would ask our mutual friend (who he knows a bit better/has his mobile number) who is a GP whether he would recommend anything. He refused to message him, insisting she was fine. I should add that when he came into our bed unwell with croup he immediately just left, no asking if I needed anything/any help.
  7. Related to above - our elderly dog has a recurring UTI - started in November and now on 3rd lot of antibiotics. Husband denies he has a UTI/or if accepts it declares no need to do anything about it. As a result, he won't get involved with giving him the meds, won't take him to the vets and has refused to give me any money towards the almost £1k vet bill (He has had 7 urine tests, one set of bloods, a scan of his bladder and 6 appointments plus 3 lots of antibiotics) as he says I shouldn't have paid for any of it/done any of it.
  8. Bills - arrangement when we first moved into our house was I paid all utilities and food, as I was a student then and only working part time. He was working his own business earning £100k+. He paid mortgage and council tax. So he was paying more, but also earned way more (I earned about £15k at the time). My earnings have since increased, but bills have massively gone up so what used to be about £800 a month is now £3k when taking into account childcare etc. He paid mortgage off. Agreement last year (after I begged) was that he would contribute half to the bills now he wasn't paying mortgage and because they were now so much more than they used to be. I have to chase/remind/beg every month for the money and he eventually pays it a month late, meaning I am constantly £1500 out of pocket. He won't set up standing order. He refuses to pay towards things he sees are unnecessary (presents for friend's birthday parties etc).
  9. We remortgaged last year to allow us to do some work to the house and potentially invest some money elsewhere. He promptly took about 65/70% of the money, put it into his own savings accounts and bonds that tied the money up for a year making it inaccessible. He didn't tell me he was doing this. So when bills come in for work to house or whatever he says he can't help as all the money is tied up until X.
  10. He went on holiday with his friend recently. He had mentioned doing it - which is fine, they often have a few days away together as an annual thing - and I just asked to be given notice of what dates he was planning so I could arrange grandparents to help etc. He booked it then told me the dates, which clashed with me being away on a course for work AND our 20 week scan, which he missed. No apology, no acknowledgement this was a problem.

Whenever I attempt to bring these things up it ends up in him getting defensive and ignoring me for several days. He won't sleep well because he gets in such a mood about it, so will be up all hours banging and making sure I am also disturbed (or at least, has no care whether I am). He will then promptly return to normal and ignore everything as if the argument never happened. He makes me doubt myself/feel like all of this is trivial so I end up feeling like it is all in my head or I am being unreasonable. Like with household stuff, when I suggest we write down the list of weekly tasks and divide them, he accuses me of being boring, says relationships shouldn't be about itemising every single task you do, and points towards our friends who had an agreement to do this but ended up splitting up (I hasten to add, they split because one had an affair, nothing to do with the division of household labour!!) He will then say 'and anyway, I do loads of things you don't like put bins out (not strictly true as I also do this regularly and bring them in after collection day, I am always the one to take stuff to the tip as I hate mess/clutter etc) and cut the grass (the latter is true but that only happens 6 months of the year and takes an hour a week, so still nothing in comparison).

I just don't know what to do anymore. I don't know how much better it would be if I left, as many of these problems would persist - finances, car seat etc would all remain a problem. I also don't trust him to have my DC on his own for any length of time because he is so disorganised and, for example, would not take her to hospital if she was unwell, would leave her crying in the night so he didn't have to deal with her etc. When she was younger and slept very badly he would get so angry he would hit walls in the middle of the night when she wouldn't sleep :(

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BlueSkyBlueLife · 04/02/2024 20:08

When people talk about a relationship which is abusive, I think we intend think about something different than what you experience but actually, it is just as damaging.

The telling you to not go to hospital or telling the consultant you didn’t have sepsis. I angine if you hadn’t fond tte courage to stand up to him and how hurt you’d been. Think about your dc and not getting medication for them.
You having to pay for everything and him refusing to put a dd in place so you have to beg. Every month.

You need to leave and you know it.
But seeing who you have in front of you, I’d go and see a lawyer. A REALLY good one.
Protect yourself first and foremost. Protect your dcs.
Take your time but dint forget your aim is to jump ship.

Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 20:12

junebirthdaygirl · 04/02/2024 20:04

I was convinced he was very selfish from your opening statements but when l heard what he did when you had sepsis he wasn't just selfish but very abusive..seriously! You cannot stay with a man who cares so little about your health. What would happen if you or your dc got really sick. It's absolutely not on. My dh is scattered/ late/ forgetful about household tasks but amazingly concerned and involved when l am even a bit sick not to talk of woman who just delivered a baby and is very unwell. If he cannot care for you in that extreme situation when will he care? He is a horrible man.

He’s like it with everything. Further example - doesn’t believe in sterilising bottles. Says putting through dishwasher then storing them away is sufficient (though he has never in his life cleaned out a cupboard so he would presumably be happy storing things in a dirty cupboard, but obvs I do clean them) so he refused to sterilise the bottles when DC was young. I mainly breastfed so only needed bottles on occasion thankfully and I would always have them in the sterile solution ready to use but he would moan about having to get them out to dry them.

He tried very hard to stop me having a c section and moaned a lot about having to get up early to go into hospital as it prevented him having a full night of sleep.

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BlueSkyBlueLife · 04/02/2024 20:13

I worry about losing his family as I’m close to them, and about not seeing my children every day, and the worry of him having them on his own as I don’t trust him with them,

Im not sure you need to worry.
Do you really that looking after two young children, when he has never done much more than reading a bedtime story will be appealing to him? I mean think about his training!
His running etc… will always take precedence. He isn’t going to change because you got divorced.
At best he’ll do EOW if that doesn’t interfere with his training.

Bluetrews25 · 04/02/2024 20:17

He's very very lazy, so is unlikely to take the DCs a lot.
My safeguarding senses were tingling a lot reading the OP.
Struggling to see what attracted you to him in the first place.

Why do men try to keep their women tied to them by abusing and trapping them rather than being pleasant and them actually wanting to stay?
Beats me.

Missingmyusername · 04/02/2024 20:19

“likely won’t speak properly to me now for several days. “ well I’d be thanking my lucky stars for some bloody peace.
The bit (and it’s all bad!) that stood out for me was him hitting walks because your baby was crying. Sounds like he was having a tantrum. I couldn’t put up with this behaviour and we had a colicky baby- so bad we saw specialists fearing she was seriously ill. Consultant told us to wear headphones and just cuddle her, DH has tinnitus but he would wear his headphones, cuddle her and get on with it. It’s what adults do.

By taking money from you he’s blocking or attempting to block you leaving him, he’s selfish and you’re being treated like a servant. He’s going to be nasty about it. Protect yourself, your children and get legal advice.

Seasaltsquall · 04/02/2024 20:33

It really is him and not you. Absolutely not you. I've been in a similar relationship (the hours of running were actually him having an affair-I was clueless), I'm sorry but i think you'll end up separating. This selfishness is unsustainable to live with JJ and he clearly has anger issues, and lacks emotional intelligence.

rockstarshoes · 04/02/2024 20:39

OMG how on earth have you put up with behaviour for so long!

Your life will be so much easier without him!

I think your plan to wait until after you give birth is a good one! I think knowing you are going to split will make it all a bit easier to bear!

Scarydinosaurs · 04/02/2024 20:42

All the examples you’ve given have one thing in common - he believes unequivocally that he is correct and experts/you/rules are the ones who are wrong.

High earners and v good athletes have this in common - you have to have huge self belief in order to take those risks and push yourself to your limit.

For this reason, I don’t think you’ll change him. It isn’t that he’s lazy/dimwitted - he is treating you like this because in his mind, you’re just there to assist his life. He doesn’t see you as a real person who has real feelings.

2mummies1baby · 04/02/2024 20:45

This man sounds like one of the worst human beings on the planet. You absolutely need to leave him.

Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 20:46

I think that’s summed it up perfectly @Scarydinosaurs! he absolutely believes he is right about everything, and you’re right I’m just there to facilitate his life. What a mess

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Codlingmoths · 04/02/2024 20:51

What the fuck did I just read? How are you still with him after your first? And having a second?
‘my Dh wouldn’t lift a finger to help me if I was dying, he would be grumpy at me for seeking medical help if I were dangerously ill, I have evidence of this, and is an unsafe parent who actively chooses not to be there for our child’ is all you need to write after reading the post about your first child’s birth. I think you need to leave as fast as you can run/waddle. Document him being unsafe driving. Document his time commitments. Document his not putting the seatbelt on. Why the fuck are you here? He literally does not give a single shit about you. Jesus Christ. Please please live a life free of this stain.

Analysisandparalysis · 04/02/2024 20:53

He sounds like an incredibly spoilt child who has never grown up.

Was he hiding who he really was when you met and has gradually revealed his absolute twattishness over time?

He sounds like some sort of sociopath tbh.

JellyWellyBoots · 04/02/2024 20:54

I don't mean to sound judgemental here but why on earth did you get pregnant by him again?

SpringleDingle · 04/02/2024 20:56

God he sounds awful!! Definitely LTB!

Angelsrose · 04/02/2024 20:59

Sadly op your DH is not adding anything positive to your life and doesn't take your needs or wants into account. I think you will be happier without him and less stressed. I hope you can still keep in touch with his family.

Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 21:01

JellyWellyBoots · 04/02/2024 20:54

I don't mean to sound judgemental here but why on earth did you get pregnant by him again?

Good question. I think I’ve just tried to ignore this/got used to it and didn’t want to give up on the dream I’d created in my head. I’ve dealt with this for a long time and think I thought I could carry on doing and that no relationship is perfect etc. but I’m increasingly realising I just can’t live like this forever. I’ve also stayed because it’s messy to leave, we have complicated finances (well, he tells me minimum about his which is a complicating factor as I don’t know exactly what he earns or where his money is), and I’m close to his family and, if I’m honest, I have a nice life on paper in terms of house, lifestyle etc so all of these things have made me think I should appreciate what I have and not moan about the rest.

I’m very lucky to have wonderful supportive parents nearby (who do not like DH and know what he is like/my mother will be over the moon if I leave him).

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Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 21:02

Analysisandparalysis · 04/02/2024 20:53

He sounds like an incredibly spoilt child who has never grown up.

Was he hiding who he really was when you met and has gradually revealed his absolute twattishness over time?

He sounds like some sort of sociopath tbh.

Also accurate. Very spoilt only child, private education, spent all his spare time doing sports which parents fully supportive of etc

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sparkleroo · 04/02/2024 21:02

Op how can you stay with a man that treats you with such contempt.

The meaning of contempt :

the feeling that a person or a thing is worthlesss_ or beneath consideration.

Awful op.

Please leave him.

Petrarkanian · 04/02/2024 21:07

My Dad always said you only get one life, please don't live yours like this, it can be so much better.

Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 21:08

Analysisandparalysis · 04/02/2024 20:53

He sounds like an incredibly spoilt child who has never grown up.

Was he hiding who he really was when you met and has gradually revealed his absolute twattishness over time?

He sounds like some sort of sociopath tbh.

Not hiding so much as it was clear he was messy, disorganised etc but he spent less time on hobbies then, was more fun to be around, we didn’t have a child to factor in etc. So I can’t say I didn’t know any of it beforehand as I did, but it’s got worse and as I said before it had less impact in the earlier days as I was young and busy studying, working and doing my own hobbies so cared less about how he spent his time. The financial situation was different as well, as I got a good ‘deal’ in beginning in sense I only paid bills and he covered mortgage and council tax (though we were unmarried and house was in his name only so I had no claim to the house at that point). The finances has changed since I started earning more. I think he prob thinks he did more in beginning so now it's my turn. Except he still earns £30k more than me at least and has no car or phone expenses as they are through his business.

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JellyWellyBoots · 04/02/2024 21:09

@Anotheranxiousone My heart really goes out to you. You are in a good position here in that you have supportive parents nearby. Can you stay with them?

I hope you find the strength to leave, you can't see it now but you will look back and thank yourself. Your children deserve better, if you can't do it for yourself at least do it for them. You are so much stronger than you realise, he's emotionally beaten you into submission. He's got you exactly where he wants you. I bet he's not really 'running' as much as he claims to. Get gone girl!!!

Parfortheparsnip · 04/02/2024 21:18

I don't usually reply on these threads - as people usually say what's in my head but ... you can have my first 'LTB' - I just can't believe half the stuff on here. Leaving messy clothes around and not doing the dishwasher is one thing, but being against you going to hospital with sepsis after having his child, being financially abusing by basically stealing money, controlling your entire schedule with his exercise... these are all controlling behaviours and raise big red flags.
You definitely won't regret it long term if you left him. If you stay, you'll be showing your kids that putting up with being controlled and unhappy is just what women have to do to sustain family life.

Holidayhell22 · 04/02/2024 21:20

There are 2 options here:

  1. tolerate this for the rest of your life.
  2. ltb. He is not going to go for custody of your dcs. He probably can’t manage more than a couple of hours. You do lot have to work around his stupid hobbies. Seek legal advice immediately. Oh and leave him the dog.
Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 21:21

The more I think about it the more comes to mind. I had a mc last year and on my second day of bleeding he came into the bedroom in the morning and asked how I slept. I said not well as was in pain and was still bleeding etc. he said ‘what, still?’ And then said something to the effect of ‘so what time is your Pilates class?’ Insinuating I should still be going to that/get on with life. I hadn’t even passed the sac at this point.

I had a difficult situation with a senior person at work a year or so ago, as I was promoted into a position where I was part of the management team and he was being pretty awful, using bullying tactics against management to try to get his own way etc. He is a horrible bloke who constantly brags about himself, shows off, loud mouth as well so not a nice guy in all. After telling my DH about what was going on and the troubles I was having, he went on to tell me I was just like him in response to a different conversation where I was talking about doing well on a course (basically telling me I was a brag just like this man).

im such an idiot for getting myself in this position!

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Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 21:22

Holidayhell22 · 04/02/2024 21:20

There are 2 options here:

  1. tolerate this for the rest of your life.
  2. ltb. He is not going to go for custody of your dcs. He probably can’t manage more than a couple of hours. You do lot have to work around his stupid hobbies. Seek legal advice immediately. Oh and leave him the dog.

I love the dog, he can stay with me :) but thank you, I totally understand your point and I know it’s what I need to do (leave). Just need to get my shit in order first

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