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Am I losing my mind/AIBU about this behaviour/attitude?

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Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 17:22

There is such a back story to this/a history of 12 years that for space and time reasons I can't fully explain. But currently, I am in a situation of trying to work out whether to stay or leave the relationship and feel I totally lost confidence in my ability to make a decision, am worried I will regret a decision to leave and need some perspectives from outsiders to the situation. This is already going to be SO long, so very sorry, and thanks in advance for reading!

I am fed up of my DH behaviour. He has always been selfish/very interested in his own hobbies and pursuits and these have come first, but it mattered less when we were young as I used the time to do my own things/progress my career etc. Now, we are older (me late 30s, him mid 40s), with a 3 year old child and another on the way. Some examples of how he behaves:

  1. His running - marathon - dictates his availability to a large extent. He runs most days, including 5 hours on a Sunday, couple hours on a Saturday, 3 hours on a Tuesday evening. Then Weds and Thurs he runs few hours Weds, running and tennis for 4 hours on a Thurs both during the day as he only works part-time. I have always been the organiser (he hates organising, in his own words, so never does any, whether for social or family admin stuff), but have to organise anything we do/seeing friends not only around this but also the 16 week marathon schedule he works to (twice per year as he runs two marathons, one in April, one in October). He expects evenings with friends, holidays etc to be planned accordingly so as not to interfere with his running schedule.
  2. As a result of the above I have very little/no time for my hobbies. He frequently tells me to get hobbies/do more exercise etc but of course only when he is not doing the above. Any 'free' time I get is spent cooking/paying household bills/sorting stuff for the child/walking the dogs etc. I have no time for hobbies really.
  3. He is messy and disorganised. He leaves his stuff everywhere (clothes on floor, won't chuck anything out so has 5 wardrobes full of clothes, refuses to iron or fold or hang things so its just heaps of it all stuffed into wardrobes overflowing). He leaves paperwork everywhere and if I tidy and put it away in a drawer he moans that it isn't where he left it. He loses the house key frequently. He loses earphones etc. and blames me. He is late for everything including work every day (but his own business so gets away with it).
  4. He does minimal household chores. He will unload/put dishwasher on, occasionally does a load of washing (but won't put it away), occasionally walks dogs (if told he has to because for e.g I have to be in work early or late), and he does a school drop off or pick up most days. But that is it. He doesn't organise anything, buy anything for our child, arrange any activities, do any general cleaning, changing beds, paying bills, food shop, cooking, washing up etc. So he probably spend 2-3 hours per week on household stuff and I spend about 2-3 hours per day when taking cooking into account.
  5. He is dismissive of rules/safety etc. An example is he can't be bothered to loosen and tighten the straps in the car seat so will squeeze DC into it as it is and then lets the straps sit across her arms rather than on her shoulders. He is frequently involved in mild altercations in the car - he is always blaming someone for being in the wrong lane/cutting him up and ending up having arguments with those drivers. He cares little for speed limits - driving 55+ in a 40 because he treats the 40 sign as the starting point to reduce speed. He is always late so always speeding.
  6. He is dismissive of the need for any medical attention, ever. After the birth of my DC I had a PPH and, after finally getting home, was feeling worse and worse each day until I eventually felt I needed to go back to labour ward. Turns out I had the start of sepsis, needed several days in hospital, blood transfusions, IV antibiotics etc. He was in a huge mood that I was going back into hospital, told me it wasn't necessary, made me doubt myself and put off going to get seen for a day. He then was moody with doctors, saying I didn't have sepsis just an infection, and refused to come to visit me the following day (I was there alone feeding my newborn whilst trying to recover from sepsis) because he was so annoyed. Friday night DC woke with croup - has had before but only usually gets the cough, this time she had some breathing issues as well. Saturday morning asked if he would ask our mutual friend (who he knows a bit better/has his mobile number) who is a GP whether he would recommend anything. He refused to message him, insisting she was fine. I should add that when he came into our bed unwell with croup he immediately just left, no asking if I needed anything/any help.
  7. Related to above - our elderly dog has a recurring UTI - started in November and now on 3rd lot of antibiotics. Husband denies he has a UTI/or if accepts it declares no need to do anything about it. As a result, he won't get involved with giving him the meds, won't take him to the vets and has refused to give me any money towards the almost £1k vet bill (He has had 7 urine tests, one set of bloods, a scan of his bladder and 6 appointments plus 3 lots of antibiotics) as he says I shouldn't have paid for any of it/done any of it.
  8. Bills - arrangement when we first moved into our house was I paid all utilities and food, as I was a student then and only working part time. He was working his own business earning £100k+. He paid mortgage and council tax. So he was paying more, but also earned way more (I earned about £15k at the time). My earnings have since increased, but bills have massively gone up so what used to be about £800 a month is now £3k when taking into account childcare etc. He paid mortgage off. Agreement last year (after I begged) was that he would contribute half to the bills now he wasn't paying mortgage and because they were now so much more than they used to be. I have to chase/remind/beg every month for the money and he eventually pays it a month late, meaning I am constantly £1500 out of pocket. He won't set up standing order. He refuses to pay towards things he sees are unnecessary (presents for friend's birthday parties etc).
  9. We remortgaged last year to allow us to do some work to the house and potentially invest some money elsewhere. He promptly took about 65/70% of the money, put it into his own savings accounts and bonds that tied the money up for a year making it inaccessible. He didn't tell me he was doing this. So when bills come in for work to house or whatever he says he can't help as all the money is tied up until X.
  10. He went on holiday with his friend recently. He had mentioned doing it - which is fine, they often have a few days away together as an annual thing - and I just asked to be given notice of what dates he was planning so I could arrange grandparents to help etc. He booked it then told me the dates, which clashed with me being away on a course for work AND our 20 week scan, which he missed. No apology, no acknowledgement this was a problem.

Whenever I attempt to bring these things up it ends up in him getting defensive and ignoring me for several days. He won't sleep well because he gets in such a mood about it, so will be up all hours banging and making sure I am also disturbed (or at least, has no care whether I am). He will then promptly return to normal and ignore everything as if the argument never happened. He makes me doubt myself/feel like all of this is trivial so I end up feeling like it is all in my head or I am being unreasonable. Like with household stuff, when I suggest we write down the list of weekly tasks and divide them, he accuses me of being boring, says relationships shouldn't be about itemising every single task you do, and points towards our friends who had an agreement to do this but ended up splitting up (I hasten to add, they split because one had an affair, nothing to do with the division of household labour!!) He will then say 'and anyway, I do loads of things you don't like put bins out (not strictly true as I also do this regularly and bring them in after collection day, I am always the one to take stuff to the tip as I hate mess/clutter etc) and cut the grass (the latter is true but that only happens 6 months of the year and takes an hour a week, so still nothing in comparison).

I just don't know what to do anymore. I don't know how much better it would be if I left, as many of these problems would persist - finances, car seat etc would all remain a problem. I also don't trust him to have my DC on his own for any length of time because he is so disorganised and, for example, would not take her to hospital if she was unwell, would leave her crying in the night so he didn't have to deal with her etc. When she was younger and slept very badly he would get so angry he would hit walls in the middle of the night when she wouldn't sleep :(

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Garlickit · 04/02/2024 18:42

Gosh, he sounds awful! I can't see any point in staying with him while you have the baby, as he clearly won't help when you need it. Do you have family & friends who will step in for you?

It's a pity - though unsurprising - you have separate finances. I'm assuming there's no joint account you can take half out of? Please do see a solicitor and find out exactly where you stand. If you have to snoop to discover his finances, do it.

You deserve better than to be the background noise to this man's single lifestyle.

Serenity45 · 04/02/2024 18:55

I haven't got anything to add to the great advice from PPs. But just wanted to say that he sounds like a vile selfish prick. You sound lovely OP and you and your kids deserve better. Sending you positive vibes.

Bizzimomma · 04/02/2024 19:08

MadamVastra · 04/02/2024 18:25

I'm not reading all of that because I know how it will read

whst advice are you looking for? Because there's only one piece we are going to give you

leave him

This !!! Get legal advice and get out of this relationship asap xx

MinervatheGreat · 04/02/2024 19:10

Stop wasting your life on this selfish self centred Dkhead.

Please take legal advice and start planning your exit.

He does not love you.
He does not care about your well being.

Step away from him. He’s absolutely awful.

RandomMess · 04/02/2024 19:14

How is the resentment or killing you.

Seriously ducks in a row and divorce.

Watchkeys · 04/02/2024 19:21

I tried to think hard for an example but struggling, which I feel bad about

Why do you feel bad about this, @Anotheranxiousone ?

Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 19:27

Thanks everyone. I think first step is to get some legal advice (I am actually a lawyer but no nothing about family law, but I can get myself informed on the basics and then get advice about the specifics) and go from there. I don’t think I’ve got the energy to actually leave while I’m pregnant/dealing with a newborn and we are halfway through building work on our house so I think easier to spend next few months planning and getting ducks in a row, as you’ve all suggested, so I can leave when I’m ready. I worry about losing his family as I’m close to them, and about not seeing my children every day, and the worry of him having them on his own as I don’t trust him with them, but I also don’t think k can live like this for the rest of my life. I’ll just have to tolerate it for a while longer to keep the peace while I make a plan :( thank you all so much x

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Yougetmoreofwhatyoufocuson · 04/02/2024 19:28

If he starts his run at 8:30 he has plenty of time to take the dogs out first. His behaviour is appalling.

I would not want to live with him.

Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 19:28

Know nothing!!

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TiredCatLady · 04/02/2024 19:28

OP, I don’t believe I’ve used this yet but have my very first LTB.

That is a bonkers amount of running to be doing. And only working part time? Are you on the remortgage?

Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 19:30

Yes I’m on remortgage and title deeds. We’ve been married 6 years this year but together about 15.

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Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 19:32

I work full time he works part time, well, he claims he is working on those days doing business paperwork but in reality he does an hour or so then spends rest of day running/at gym. Even when our DC was small and I had to go back to work after 16 weeks (couldn’t afford SMP and to be fair I was happy to use my brain a bit again) he still insisted she went to nursery/he didn’t use his time off with her :(

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Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 04/02/2024 19:41

Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 19:32

I work full time he works part time, well, he claims he is working on those days doing business paperwork but in reality he does an hour or so then spends rest of day running/at gym. Even when our DC was small and I had to go back to work after 16 weeks (couldn’t afford SMP and to be fair I was happy to use my brain a bit again) he still insisted she went to nursery/he didn’t use his time off with her :(

So what makes you think he'll want to have the children on his own if you split up? Be prepared to be the full time parent and for him to have them for occasional afternoons (where it doesn't interfere with his schedule).

NigelHarmansNewWife · 04/02/2024 19:42

I too think leave him. On the hobbies front, given his hobby can be done anywhere, anytime with no special equipment to speak of, what would happen if you wanted to go to, say, a yoga or pilates class or a physical gym? Would he actually accommodate that or complain you're disrupting his schedule? He sounds incredibly selfish and his other traits are deeply unattractive.

napody · 04/02/2024 19:45

This is awful.
I'm actually thinking the doctor he dismissed your sepsis to should've raised it with your midwife. They're supposed to be pretty hot on post partum domestic abuse.

TiredCatLady · 04/02/2024 19:47

Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 19:32

I work full time he works part time, well, he claims he is working on those days doing business paperwork but in reality he does an hour or so then spends rest of day running/at gym. Even when our DC was small and I had to go back to work after 16 weeks (couldn’t afford SMP and to be fair I was happy to use my brain a bit again) he still insisted she went to nursery/he didn’t use his time off with her :(

Selfish bastard. You went back after 16 weeks and you’re paying for childcare while he fucks about in the gym and goes for a run and has to be talked into helping pay the bills? Is he working at all or is the remortgage money making up the slack? I’d be seriously concerned he’s not being honest with you on that front.

As you say, it’s ducks time. Hopefully this thread is helping you to validate your feelings. You deserve so much more. There is a much happier life out there for you.

AgnesX · 04/02/2024 19:48

The way he's treated you is bad and his attitude to your aging pet is atrocious, especially if it was in pain.

He's bringing nothing to your relationship that I can see. You're nearly on your own as it is so parting company won't change your life very much.

FloofyKat · 04/02/2024 19:53

Ye gods, why have you stayed with this dubious specimen of manhood for so long? He seems to be a very poor husband and a very poor father.
Life would surely be so much better without him around!

StopStartStop · 04/02/2024 19:54

Stop wasting your life. Get a solicitor, sort yourself and dd a decent little life of your own.

NaughtybutNice77 · 04/02/2024 19:58

Doesn't sound like he's cut out for family life. I can't believe you didn't have conversations around his running (as that's a massive part of his life) before you had a child together. Now it's blatently obvious you're not on the same sheet regards homelife you've opted for a second child!
I doubt he'll ever be the person you want. A threat of divorce could prompt him to make some changes but essentially he needs to be someone else. I suspect if he gave up his running and became a 'family man' he'd be thoroughly miserable and you probably wouldn't like him.
The only possible option I can see is if you become a full time SAH mum and use his money to 'pay' for you to have free time so eg use a childminder, or maybe he pays for a cleaner/housekeeper/prepped food etc to reduce the domestic load.

Eggsley · 04/02/2024 19:59

Sorry OP, he's an arsehole and you'd be much better off without him. You wouldn't have to pander to his ridiculous schedule for a start. You and your DC deserve so much better than this.

Beamur · 04/02/2024 20:02

It's never going to change.
I think you've been a bit 'boiled frog' here but now you have kids, his life hasn't changed but yours has and he kicks off if you try and push back on that...
You may decide it's easier to stay and effectively live seperate lives so you can protect your children from his incompetent parenting. But it's not a great life for you is it?

pheonixrebirth · 04/02/2024 20:03

It can be hard going it alone but it is way easier than doing everything alone when a fully functioning adult is there but won't help/adds more stress and mess to your life. He's draining you in every sense of the word.

junebirthdaygirl · 04/02/2024 20:04

I was convinced he was very selfish from your opening statements but when l heard what he did when you had sepsis he wasn't just selfish but very abusive..seriously! You cannot stay with a man who cares so little about your health. What would happen if you or your dc got really sick. It's absolutely not on. My dh is scattered/ late/ forgetful about household tasks but amazingly concerned and involved when l am even a bit sick not to talk of woman who just delivered a baby and is very unwell. If he cannot care for you in that extreme situation when will he care? He is a horrible man.

Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 20:07

NaughtybutNice77 · 04/02/2024 19:58

Doesn't sound like he's cut out for family life. I can't believe you didn't have conversations around his running (as that's a massive part of his life) before you had a child together. Now it's blatently obvious you're not on the same sheet regards homelife you've opted for a second child!
I doubt he'll ever be the person you want. A threat of divorce could prompt him to make some changes but essentially he needs to be someone else. I suspect if he gave up his running and became a 'family man' he'd be thoroughly miserable and you probably wouldn't like him.
The only possible option I can see is if you become a full time SAH mum and use his money to 'pay' for you to have free time so eg use a childminder, or maybe he pays for a cleaner/housekeeper/prepped food etc to reduce the domestic load.

Yes agree. I don’t want to give up my job, he really wouldn’t want me too as I’m now a high earner myself and as you can see from the above that allows him to avoid paying his share of the bills until he feels like it.

I don’t expect him to give his running up and agree it would make him unbearable if he did. He didn’t do marathon running before children - he was mainly doing park runs and occasional half marathon and had declared he wouldn’t want to do marathons or if he did it would be a once in a lifetime thing. It’s evolved over last few years and now he does two a year. His running schedule is always the same all year round but when he is in 16 week run up to marathon he gets very strict with what he wants to do in terms of eating/drinking which means socialising with friends as a group is often off the cards especially in the last couple of months before a marathon. Not really an issue right now as I can’t drink myself but it does just make life a bit boring for me. And then there is all the rest of the stuff I’ve described which is not to do with running :/

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