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Am I losing my mind/AIBU about this behaviour/attitude?

232 replies

Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 17:22

There is such a back story to this/a history of 12 years that for space and time reasons I can't fully explain. But currently, I am in a situation of trying to work out whether to stay or leave the relationship and feel I totally lost confidence in my ability to make a decision, am worried I will regret a decision to leave and need some perspectives from outsiders to the situation. This is already going to be SO long, so very sorry, and thanks in advance for reading!

I am fed up of my DH behaviour. He has always been selfish/very interested in his own hobbies and pursuits and these have come first, but it mattered less when we were young as I used the time to do my own things/progress my career etc. Now, we are older (me late 30s, him mid 40s), with a 3 year old child and another on the way. Some examples of how he behaves:

  1. His running - marathon - dictates his availability to a large extent. He runs most days, including 5 hours on a Sunday, couple hours on a Saturday, 3 hours on a Tuesday evening. Then Weds and Thurs he runs few hours Weds, running and tennis for 4 hours on a Thurs both during the day as he only works part-time. I have always been the organiser (he hates organising, in his own words, so never does any, whether for social or family admin stuff), but have to organise anything we do/seeing friends not only around this but also the 16 week marathon schedule he works to (twice per year as he runs two marathons, one in April, one in October). He expects evenings with friends, holidays etc to be planned accordingly so as not to interfere with his running schedule.
  2. As a result of the above I have very little/no time for my hobbies. He frequently tells me to get hobbies/do more exercise etc but of course only when he is not doing the above. Any 'free' time I get is spent cooking/paying household bills/sorting stuff for the child/walking the dogs etc. I have no time for hobbies really.
  3. He is messy and disorganised. He leaves his stuff everywhere (clothes on floor, won't chuck anything out so has 5 wardrobes full of clothes, refuses to iron or fold or hang things so its just heaps of it all stuffed into wardrobes overflowing). He leaves paperwork everywhere and if I tidy and put it away in a drawer he moans that it isn't where he left it. He loses the house key frequently. He loses earphones etc. and blames me. He is late for everything including work every day (but his own business so gets away with it).
  4. He does minimal household chores. He will unload/put dishwasher on, occasionally does a load of washing (but won't put it away), occasionally walks dogs (if told he has to because for e.g I have to be in work early or late), and he does a school drop off or pick up most days. But that is it. He doesn't organise anything, buy anything for our child, arrange any activities, do any general cleaning, changing beds, paying bills, food shop, cooking, washing up etc. So he probably spend 2-3 hours per week on household stuff and I spend about 2-3 hours per day when taking cooking into account.
  5. He is dismissive of rules/safety etc. An example is he can't be bothered to loosen and tighten the straps in the car seat so will squeeze DC into it as it is and then lets the straps sit across her arms rather than on her shoulders. He is frequently involved in mild altercations in the car - he is always blaming someone for being in the wrong lane/cutting him up and ending up having arguments with those drivers. He cares little for speed limits - driving 55+ in a 40 because he treats the 40 sign as the starting point to reduce speed. He is always late so always speeding.
  6. He is dismissive of the need for any medical attention, ever. After the birth of my DC I had a PPH and, after finally getting home, was feeling worse and worse each day until I eventually felt I needed to go back to labour ward. Turns out I had the start of sepsis, needed several days in hospital, blood transfusions, IV antibiotics etc. He was in a huge mood that I was going back into hospital, told me it wasn't necessary, made me doubt myself and put off going to get seen for a day. He then was moody with doctors, saying I didn't have sepsis just an infection, and refused to come to visit me the following day (I was there alone feeding my newborn whilst trying to recover from sepsis) because he was so annoyed. Friday night DC woke with croup - has had before but only usually gets the cough, this time she had some breathing issues as well. Saturday morning asked if he would ask our mutual friend (who he knows a bit better/has his mobile number) who is a GP whether he would recommend anything. He refused to message him, insisting she was fine. I should add that when he came into our bed unwell with croup he immediately just left, no asking if I needed anything/any help.
  7. Related to above - our elderly dog has a recurring UTI - started in November and now on 3rd lot of antibiotics. Husband denies he has a UTI/or if accepts it declares no need to do anything about it. As a result, he won't get involved with giving him the meds, won't take him to the vets and has refused to give me any money towards the almost £1k vet bill (He has had 7 urine tests, one set of bloods, a scan of his bladder and 6 appointments plus 3 lots of antibiotics) as he says I shouldn't have paid for any of it/done any of it.
  8. Bills - arrangement when we first moved into our house was I paid all utilities and food, as I was a student then and only working part time. He was working his own business earning £100k+. He paid mortgage and council tax. So he was paying more, but also earned way more (I earned about £15k at the time). My earnings have since increased, but bills have massively gone up so what used to be about £800 a month is now £3k when taking into account childcare etc. He paid mortgage off. Agreement last year (after I begged) was that he would contribute half to the bills now he wasn't paying mortgage and because they were now so much more than they used to be. I have to chase/remind/beg every month for the money and he eventually pays it a month late, meaning I am constantly £1500 out of pocket. He won't set up standing order. He refuses to pay towards things he sees are unnecessary (presents for friend's birthday parties etc).
  9. We remortgaged last year to allow us to do some work to the house and potentially invest some money elsewhere. He promptly took about 65/70% of the money, put it into his own savings accounts and bonds that tied the money up for a year making it inaccessible. He didn't tell me he was doing this. So when bills come in for work to house or whatever he says he can't help as all the money is tied up until X.
  10. He went on holiday with his friend recently. He had mentioned doing it - which is fine, they often have a few days away together as an annual thing - and I just asked to be given notice of what dates he was planning so I could arrange grandparents to help etc. He booked it then told me the dates, which clashed with me being away on a course for work AND our 20 week scan, which he missed. No apology, no acknowledgement this was a problem.

Whenever I attempt to bring these things up it ends up in him getting defensive and ignoring me for several days. He won't sleep well because he gets in such a mood about it, so will be up all hours banging and making sure I am also disturbed (or at least, has no care whether I am). He will then promptly return to normal and ignore everything as if the argument never happened. He makes me doubt myself/feel like all of this is trivial so I end up feeling like it is all in my head or I am being unreasonable. Like with household stuff, when I suggest we write down the list of weekly tasks and divide them, he accuses me of being boring, says relationships shouldn't be about itemising every single task you do, and points towards our friends who had an agreement to do this but ended up splitting up (I hasten to add, they split because one had an affair, nothing to do with the division of household labour!!) He will then say 'and anyway, I do loads of things you don't like put bins out (not strictly true as I also do this regularly and bring them in after collection day, I am always the one to take stuff to the tip as I hate mess/clutter etc) and cut the grass (the latter is true but that only happens 6 months of the year and takes an hour a week, so still nothing in comparison).

I just don't know what to do anymore. I don't know how much better it would be if I left, as many of these problems would persist - finances, car seat etc would all remain a problem. I also don't trust him to have my DC on his own for any length of time because he is so disorganised and, for example, would not take her to hospital if she was unwell, would leave her crying in the night so he didn't have to deal with her etc. When she was younger and slept very badly he would get so angry he would hit walls in the middle of the night when she wouldn't sleep :(

OP posts:
TiredCatLady · 04/02/2024 21:25

He didn’t want you to have a c-section?! It was inconvenient for him? Like abdominal surgery is just something you’re happy with. JFC. Your last couple of updates just fuck. I cannot strongly enough scream leave this shite specimen of man. Prick.

Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 21:29

TiredCatLady · 04/02/2024 21:25

He didn’t want you to have a c-section?! It was inconvenient for him? Like abdominal surgery is just something you’re happy with. JFC. Your last couple of updates just fuck. I cannot strongly enough scream leave this shite specimen of man. Prick.

Yeah he had strong beliefs in a vaginal birth but I was almost 42 weeks and I didn’t want induction for various reasons (including that it was during Covid so I would have been in there alone). He talked me out of the first section. He seems to have changed his mind recently as thinks NHS is such a mess it’s less risky to have sections than take chances and his theory is that most women these days (assume he is including me in this) are too weak to give birth vaginally as they don’t exercise enough so don’t have the muscle strength in their core to push and/or sustain long labour. Yep, you read that right. Problem is he sometimes says this shit in front of others, like family, and literally no one disagrees or challenges him (even though I’m sure they think he is a total wanker). So he just constantly gets validated.

OP posts:
AhNowTed · 04/02/2024 21:37

My mouth is agape at this total wanker pontificating about vaginal births - how are you not laughing in his face.

SausageAndEggSandwich · 04/02/2024 21:40

I've read about some shit husbands in Relationships but I think this one is among the worst.

He is lazy, selfish, controlling and abusive

I doubt it's of surprise to anyone to hear that the running increased proportionately to the load he should have been taking on at home.

How you can bear to have sex with such a vile specimen I have no idea. You must be made of strong stuff OP. I have no doubt you will soar when you get rid of this dead weight and all your energy and money can go towards your own life instead of propping up this sad, angry man-baby.

And don't rely on his family to support you. They made him into this person.

Wednesday6 · 04/02/2024 21:46

I don't know he seems alright to me. Earns a lot of money, healthy hobby albeit takes a lot of his time, does drop off pick ups, bedtime, some chores, good sense of humor.. good looking? I understand he can do all of this because you are supporting him, it's not that he started running yesterday.. I'd say talk to him and tell him how you feel get to a compromise. You get on with his family, have kids together. It sounds like you might suffer from lack of attention from his side so trying to attract his attention with being sick, etc..

Garlickit · 04/02/2024 21:49

trying to attract his attention with being sick - I know, pathetic women are always getting sepsis and having miscarriages just for a bit of attention. They don't deserve support unless they actually die!

Waitingfordoggo · 04/02/2024 21:50

@Wednesday6 Don’t be ridiculous- he sounds completely monstrous. Did you read a different post to the rest of us? The OP’s H is abusive and potentially dangerous.

Codlingmoths · 04/02/2024 21:56

Wednesday6 · 04/02/2024 21:46

I don't know he seems alright to me. Earns a lot of money, healthy hobby albeit takes a lot of his time, does drop off pick ups, bedtime, some chores, good sense of humor.. good looking? I understand he can do all of this because you are supporting him, it's not that he started running yesterday.. I'd say talk to him and tell him how you feel get to a compromise. You get on with his family, have kids together. It sounds like you might suffer from lack of attention from his side so trying to attract his attention with being sick, etc..

The fuck? She’d quite probably have died of sepsis if she hasn’t, just after giving birth to her older child, overridden his objections at her getting medical care. He sounds ok? He sounds like a sociopath. If she and her toddler fell into his path on his race event, the only reason he might not trample his pregnant wife and child and keep going is because other people might see him and judge him.

tribpot · 04/02/2024 22:02

he had strong beliefs in a vaginal birth
OMG priceless.

I suspect one of the reasons people don't challenge him (other than thinking Jesus what a colossal arse) is knowing he is likely to then try and drag you into the conflict, to back up his ludicrous and uninformed views. They probably don't want to make life even more difficult for you than it already is.

SuperGreens · 04/02/2024 22:07

Get copies of everything financial that you can and he suspects nothing, especially related to the business. Someone as sociopathic as this man will be a horror to divorce, will hide everything he can, pretend he earns nothing etc. All still worth it to get rid of someone like that from your life.

Cherrysoup · 04/02/2024 22:21

Stop facilitating his life. See a decent solicitor and get your ducks in a row. Get as much proof of his income as you can.

Dear god, you have been more than tolerant, time to actually have a life.

TiredCatLady · 04/02/2024 22:25

Your last update left me open mouthed. He’s a sociopath right? (Sorry I showed it to my -male- partner who literally said “is he fucked in the head?”)

I’m so sorry OP, you shouldn’t be having to live with this weapons grade wanker. And you don’t. Get those ducks all lined up. Don’t doubt yourself. And you are stronger than that piece of shit will ever be.

Scarydinosaurs · 04/02/2024 22:35

Wednesday6 has clearly never had to spend any amount of time in the company of such a man, existing merely to service his life.

Good luck sorting out the legal stuff. Once you’re free of him life will feel much brighter.

hellsBells246 · 04/02/2024 22:37

Leave him?! I would have killed him years ago. Honestly, reading your post has made me feel such rage for hot he has treated you over the years.

He is emotionally and financially abusive. He's thoughtless, uncaring, selfish, lazy and fucking useless.

Please, leave him. You deserve SO much more. 💐

hellsBells246 · 04/02/2024 22:41

Wednesday6 · 04/02/2024 21:46

I don't know he seems alright to me. Earns a lot of money, healthy hobby albeit takes a lot of his time, does drop off pick ups, bedtime, some chores, good sense of humor.. good looking? I understand he can do all of this because you are supporting him, it's not that he started running yesterday.. I'd say talk to him and tell him how you feel get to a compromise. You get on with his family, have kids together. It sounds like you might suffer from lack of attention from his side so trying to attract his attention with being sick, etc..

Are you shitting us?? Did you read OP's OP? Don't be an idiot.

Tilandsia · 04/02/2024 22:46

I’m so sorry you find yourself in this position op. If you’re on FB, join a page calling ‘Bridging the Gap Community’. It’s eye opening to realise just how many women find themselves with men like your husband. The group is primarily aimed at helping women bridge the gender based gaps in their life but is also good for advice on when and how to leave. You might want to try ‘quiet quitting’ for example while you get your ducks in a row. Good luck, I hope you are your children find peace from him as soon as possible.

Theoscargoesto · 04/02/2024 22:46

He has really done a number on you hasn’t he? He is abusive. Try Women’s Aid, talk to them about what constitutes abuse if you aren’t able to accept what’s been said here. It isn’t you.
Please get advice as to how you get to stay where you are and he leaves.

AlwaysGinPlease · 04/02/2024 22:54

Wednesday6 · 04/02/2024 21:46

I don't know he seems alright to me. Earns a lot of money, healthy hobby albeit takes a lot of his time, does drop off pick ups, bedtime, some chores, good sense of humor.. good looking? I understand he can do all of this because you are supporting him, it's not that he started running yesterday.. I'd say talk to him and tell him how you feel get to a compromise. You get on with his family, have kids together. It sounds like you might suffer from lack of attention from his side so trying to attract his attention with being sick, etc..

That's a disgusting comment and one reported you. How dare you.

whatsitcalledwhen · 04/02/2024 22:58

The longer you stay, the more likely it is that your children will replicate this relationship.

Daughters running around after disgusting men, doing all the adulting and parenting but staying with them.

Sons expecting women to service their needs and do all the cooking, cleaning and childcare.

Wouldn't that break your heart? Wouldn't you feel guilty?

Let that fuel you. Leave him.

whatsitcalledwhen · 04/02/2024 23:00

When she was younger and slept very badly he would get so angry he would hit walls in the middle of the night when she wouldn't sleep

And this is terrifying.

Once you leave perhaps you could have some counselling to unravel why you stayed with him despite this dangerous level of anger.

Please don't waste the rest of your life on this pathetic, selfish and cruel man.

And please don't subject your children to this dynamic being their blueprint for their future relationships any longer.

babyproblems · 04/02/2024 23:04

Read this thread earlier and didn’t have time to post but I’ve come back to tell you that this man is an absolute twat and I would go as far as to say he is abusive actually. He has zero rights to have an opinion on how you give birth!!! None. I’m angry just reading your updates. The first point in your op about his running had me thinking he was a selfish twat but Jesus everything else aswell it’s absolutely not acceptable and no way for you to live. I rarely say LTB but in your case I find his behaviour vile and I can easily imagine him being manipulative and increasingly abusive towards you. Do you have anyone close who you can confide in? Wishing you luck op. He is a shit partner and therefore a shit parent. xxxx

LiveLaughCryalot · 04/02/2024 23:32

You really need to think long and very hard about how you have ended up here. Why? Why do you live like this? First of all, you need to get your ducks in a row because it isn't an option to raise children in the same house as this 'man'. What will they learn? They will grow up as messed up as him. Secondly, at the very least he needs to take over the dog walking I mean wtf? Why are you doing this on top of EVERYTHING ELSE?? Tell him it is his responsibility now ffs. No arguments, his running schedule will have to change to accommodate it because you are not doing it anymore.
He isn't going to bother much with the kids after the initial threat of 50/50, though I doubt he will even be arsed doing that. I mean, he doesn't even pretend to like family life does he?
If you are going to stay till baby is born/renovations completed then you need to do some serious work on yourself. He is who he is, he won't step up, he won't change. Question is, why is this the man you chose and why have you stayed and just accepted this life for you and your children?

determinedtomakethiswork · 04/02/2024 23:34

He can't even be bothered to keep your child safe. His child! He likes cuddling the child when he's asleep. That is probably the laziest bloody thing I've ever heard on here.

I have to admit that I did wonder whether he had ADHD. I'm thinking of his disorganisation and his need for movement. That wouldn't change my decision though: I would kick him out

Opentooffers · 04/02/2024 23:35

He screams of inappropriate thought processes, and I'd say he's somewhere on the spectrum. Running is quite a solitary and obsessive pursuit, and to be quite Frank most serious runners I've met are quite odd people whether it's MH issues or ND. What I'm getting at is this is who he is and it could well be from birth, so forget any hopes for change, I doubt he has capacity. He certainly lacks empathy, surprised you haven't noticed. He sees any need for help as weakness, will probably try to tell you you are too weak to cope without him. Well it remains to be seen who will cope better on their own, I'm betting it will be you. Most of his words are BS, just ignore him.

GrumpyPanda · 04/02/2024 23:38

Can't believe some of the comments. No, he's not living like a single person, or he'd have to do his own washing, shopping and cooking. Plenty of jobs for you to cut down on OP.

On the bright side, shouldn't be too hard for you to buy him out now, given he's already stolen most of the mortgage money...?

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