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Am I losing my mind/AIBU about this behaviour/attitude?

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Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 17:22

There is such a back story to this/a history of 12 years that for space and time reasons I can't fully explain. But currently, I am in a situation of trying to work out whether to stay or leave the relationship and feel I totally lost confidence in my ability to make a decision, am worried I will regret a decision to leave and need some perspectives from outsiders to the situation. This is already going to be SO long, so very sorry, and thanks in advance for reading!

I am fed up of my DH behaviour. He has always been selfish/very interested in his own hobbies and pursuits and these have come first, but it mattered less when we were young as I used the time to do my own things/progress my career etc. Now, we are older (me late 30s, him mid 40s), with a 3 year old child and another on the way. Some examples of how he behaves:

  1. His running - marathon - dictates his availability to a large extent. He runs most days, including 5 hours on a Sunday, couple hours on a Saturday, 3 hours on a Tuesday evening. Then Weds and Thurs he runs few hours Weds, running and tennis for 4 hours on a Thurs both during the day as he only works part-time. I have always been the organiser (he hates organising, in his own words, so never does any, whether for social or family admin stuff), but have to organise anything we do/seeing friends not only around this but also the 16 week marathon schedule he works to (twice per year as he runs two marathons, one in April, one in October). He expects evenings with friends, holidays etc to be planned accordingly so as not to interfere with his running schedule.
  2. As a result of the above I have very little/no time for my hobbies. He frequently tells me to get hobbies/do more exercise etc but of course only when he is not doing the above. Any 'free' time I get is spent cooking/paying household bills/sorting stuff for the child/walking the dogs etc. I have no time for hobbies really.
  3. He is messy and disorganised. He leaves his stuff everywhere (clothes on floor, won't chuck anything out so has 5 wardrobes full of clothes, refuses to iron or fold or hang things so its just heaps of it all stuffed into wardrobes overflowing). He leaves paperwork everywhere and if I tidy and put it away in a drawer he moans that it isn't where he left it. He loses the house key frequently. He loses earphones etc. and blames me. He is late for everything including work every day (but his own business so gets away with it).
  4. He does minimal household chores. He will unload/put dishwasher on, occasionally does a load of washing (but won't put it away), occasionally walks dogs (if told he has to because for e.g I have to be in work early or late), and he does a school drop off or pick up most days. But that is it. He doesn't organise anything, buy anything for our child, arrange any activities, do any general cleaning, changing beds, paying bills, food shop, cooking, washing up etc. So he probably spend 2-3 hours per week on household stuff and I spend about 2-3 hours per day when taking cooking into account.
  5. He is dismissive of rules/safety etc. An example is he can't be bothered to loosen and tighten the straps in the car seat so will squeeze DC into it as it is and then lets the straps sit across her arms rather than on her shoulders. He is frequently involved in mild altercations in the car - he is always blaming someone for being in the wrong lane/cutting him up and ending up having arguments with those drivers. He cares little for speed limits - driving 55+ in a 40 because he treats the 40 sign as the starting point to reduce speed. He is always late so always speeding.
  6. He is dismissive of the need for any medical attention, ever. After the birth of my DC I had a PPH and, after finally getting home, was feeling worse and worse each day until I eventually felt I needed to go back to labour ward. Turns out I had the start of sepsis, needed several days in hospital, blood transfusions, IV antibiotics etc. He was in a huge mood that I was going back into hospital, told me it wasn't necessary, made me doubt myself and put off going to get seen for a day. He then was moody with doctors, saying I didn't have sepsis just an infection, and refused to come to visit me the following day (I was there alone feeding my newborn whilst trying to recover from sepsis) because he was so annoyed. Friday night DC woke with croup - has had before but only usually gets the cough, this time she had some breathing issues as well. Saturday morning asked if he would ask our mutual friend (who he knows a bit better/has his mobile number) who is a GP whether he would recommend anything. He refused to message him, insisting she was fine. I should add that when he came into our bed unwell with croup he immediately just left, no asking if I needed anything/any help.
  7. Related to above - our elderly dog has a recurring UTI - started in November and now on 3rd lot of antibiotics. Husband denies he has a UTI/or if accepts it declares no need to do anything about it. As a result, he won't get involved with giving him the meds, won't take him to the vets and has refused to give me any money towards the almost £1k vet bill (He has had 7 urine tests, one set of bloods, a scan of his bladder and 6 appointments plus 3 lots of antibiotics) as he says I shouldn't have paid for any of it/done any of it.
  8. Bills - arrangement when we first moved into our house was I paid all utilities and food, as I was a student then and only working part time. He was working his own business earning £100k+. He paid mortgage and council tax. So he was paying more, but also earned way more (I earned about £15k at the time). My earnings have since increased, but bills have massively gone up so what used to be about £800 a month is now £3k when taking into account childcare etc. He paid mortgage off. Agreement last year (after I begged) was that he would contribute half to the bills now he wasn't paying mortgage and because they were now so much more than they used to be. I have to chase/remind/beg every month for the money and he eventually pays it a month late, meaning I am constantly £1500 out of pocket. He won't set up standing order. He refuses to pay towards things he sees are unnecessary (presents for friend's birthday parties etc).
  9. We remortgaged last year to allow us to do some work to the house and potentially invest some money elsewhere. He promptly took about 65/70% of the money, put it into his own savings accounts and bonds that tied the money up for a year making it inaccessible. He didn't tell me he was doing this. So when bills come in for work to house or whatever he says he can't help as all the money is tied up until X.
  10. He went on holiday with his friend recently. He had mentioned doing it - which is fine, they often have a few days away together as an annual thing - and I just asked to be given notice of what dates he was planning so I could arrange grandparents to help etc. He booked it then told me the dates, which clashed with me being away on a course for work AND our 20 week scan, which he missed. No apology, no acknowledgement this was a problem.

Whenever I attempt to bring these things up it ends up in him getting defensive and ignoring me for several days. He won't sleep well because he gets in such a mood about it, so will be up all hours banging and making sure I am also disturbed (or at least, has no care whether I am). He will then promptly return to normal and ignore everything as if the argument never happened. He makes me doubt myself/feel like all of this is trivial so I end up feeling like it is all in my head or I am being unreasonable. Like with household stuff, when I suggest we write down the list of weekly tasks and divide them, he accuses me of being boring, says relationships shouldn't be about itemising every single task you do, and points towards our friends who had an agreement to do this but ended up splitting up (I hasten to add, they split because one had an affair, nothing to do with the division of household labour!!) He will then say 'and anyway, I do loads of things you don't like put bins out (not strictly true as I also do this regularly and bring them in after collection day, I am always the one to take stuff to the tip as I hate mess/clutter etc) and cut the grass (the latter is true but that only happens 6 months of the year and takes an hour a week, so still nothing in comparison).

I just don't know what to do anymore. I don't know how much better it would be if I left, as many of these problems would persist - finances, car seat etc would all remain a problem. I also don't trust him to have my DC on his own for any length of time because he is so disorganised and, for example, would not take her to hospital if she was unwell, would leave her crying in the night so he didn't have to deal with her etc. When she was younger and slept very badly he would get so angry he would hit walls in the middle of the night when she wouldn't sleep :(

OP posts:
junebirthdaygirl · 05/02/2024 09:10

There is no doubt you need to leave. And soon so he is not in charge of your dc when you go to have this one. Go to your parents. They are nearby so you can still go to work/ child's nursery etc. I presume your childhood bedroom is still there so go there. Your mum sounds like a sensible woman so you will have her support when the new baby comes. At least she will agree with sterilising the bloody bottles. You won't solve everything now but please take that step ls there a solicitor in your practice who specialises in family law or maybe for confidential reasons you would prefer someone elsewhere. Does your firm offer counselling to employees so you could start there although you will need more than the 6 sessions usually offered.
Stay on here as you will get constant support.
As said your dh is not capable of being a husband or a father.

Renamed · 05/02/2024 09:15

He doesn’t seem to have any normal human empathy. Doesn’t sound like he would ever be able to work with other people if he had a job. Can you go for full custody? He’s not capable of caring for children

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 09:30

Thanks all. Parents don’t live in family home, they downsized a while ago and only have one bedroom so no way I could go there with kids etc. they also live 40 mins or so away so not practical for school, my work etc.

im also conscious that I don’t want to leave the house as worried I’ll never get back, and it’s one of the key things I would fight for in divorce (would seek to buy him out). And if I leave I’ll have all the inconvenience while he gets to stay in our lovely home with all the space etc. He could easily go stay with his parents who live nearby in a huge house!

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AllEars112232 · 05/02/2024 09:38

Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 21:01

Good question. I think I’ve just tried to ignore this/got used to it and didn’t want to give up on the dream I’d created in my head. I’ve dealt with this for a long time and think I thought I could carry on doing and that no relationship is perfect etc. but I’m increasingly realising I just can’t live like this forever. I’ve also stayed because it’s messy to leave, we have complicated finances (well, he tells me minimum about his which is a complicating factor as I don’t know exactly what he earns or where his money is), and I’m close to his family and, if I’m honest, I have a nice life on paper in terms of house, lifestyle etc so all of these things have made me think I should appreciate what I have and not moan about the rest.

I’m very lucky to have wonderful supportive parents nearby (who do not like DH and know what he is like/my mother will be over the moon if I leave him).

Your last paragraph on this post really struck me! I don’t want to sound patronising because I can see you’ve been on a huge journey of discovery during this thread… but so often family see things that the person in the situation can’t see.
I’m in your mum’s shoes right now, and how I’d love my DD to tell me she’s seen the light.
Good luck @Anotheranxiousone Hopefully you will find the strength to leave a build yourself a new life ( with DCs and the dog 😁)

BroughttoyoubyBerocca · 05/02/2024 09:39

You’ve got this. Have baby, enjoy MAT leave, file for divorce. BF baby wont be able to go to him anytime soon, very limited contact with your eldest, he likely will make a lot of fuss about 50/50 or similar but he won’t follow through with it, he wouldn’t cope with impact on his cushy life.

family home, get your Shit Hot lawyer to ring fence it as best for DC interests.

cakeytime · 05/02/2024 09:45

You will be much happier without him , thats a cert.

Seek legal advice.
Contact Womens Aid for support ( this is abuse)

Take it a step at a time.

Dont tell him you're thinking of leaving just yet.

Get your ducks in a row first.

What assets does he have?
Value of his business?
His pension?
Savings?( including money he stole from you when you remortgaged)
I dont think he has a say in being bought out by you, if its a reasonable offer/ split of assets.
Find paperwork if you can.

I dont think he'll want much contact with the dcs. He'll be too busy with his own scedule !
And on top of that, without you there, he'll have to do his own life admin.

Stay cool and start thinking about how you get away from him.You dont have to commit yet, just find out where you stand.

I was like you, feeling trapped and not knowing where to start but I finally bought him out 2 years ago.
Where there's a will, there's a way !

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 10:00

Thanks @cakeytime. That gives me a boost of confidence!

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Anklite · 05/02/2024 10:01

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 08:46

Not that any further detail is needed here but I should say I had been up all night shivering having cold sweats, I couldn’t walk more than a few minute without almost passing out and had to sleep for an hour after, and was losing quite large amounts of blood including large clots. My heart rate was also very fast which my Apple Watch actually alerted me to. By the time k went into hospital I had temperature, low blood pressure and high heart rate of 150bpm, so although I wasn’t gasping for breath, I was definitely unwell!

This is horrifying,

It sounds like, at best, he doesn’t care whether you live or die, and at worst, he was actively encouraging your passing.

He sounds like a psychopath. Forget the house and save yourself, your wee baby, and the poor dog!

You need to take this very seriously, a house is not worth your life. Would he even call the ambulance in time if you had been gasping for breath? Who waits that long anyway! It’s utter madness.

I would imagine your “natural” passing would be more lucrative for him than divorce, it definitely sounds like he is money obsessed.

I don’t say this lightly, but do you know whether he has life insurance out on you?

Please don’t be blinded by his lifestyle, you have a good career and can provide for your little ones better than most, and hopefully they will inherit from him and the grandparents anyway, if that is a motivator.

I can’t think you stayed for some eggs and a coffee and a couple of jokes.

Anklite · 05/02/2024 10:08

Regarding the car seat and the speeding. This must stop NOW.

I would call the police non emergency number, and tell them you are extremely concerned an accident involving the harm of your baby may be imminent.

Inform them of his routes and times that he uses when carrying the baby.
I think they will be very interested in putting out a non emergency car on that route.

The police would take the safeguarding of a baby very seriously and and this would prepare a lob for his unsuitability for unsupervised care of young children.

Even if the police tell you it may take some time to get to him, ring each time he leaves with the baby unsecured. Log it yourself the times and dates you rang the police.

He’s not that smart, is he, you can nail him to the wall.

Notthatcatagain · 05/02/2024 10:21

Make a plan, get a notebook and write a list of stuff to be done, take your time, there's no rush, gather documents, precious stuff and if you can squirrel some money away, even better. Dont let him see the notebook or find out what you plan to do. Sit tight until you have your baby, once you are good and ready then dump him

EnterFunnyNameHere · 05/02/2024 10:34

These kind of men make my blood run cold. To treat someone they are supposed to love with such callous disregard, its actually scarey that they can justify it to themselves.

I'm so glad to see it sounds like you're planning on getting out, I think you'll be a lot safer without him. Imagine if something really serious happened and you couldn't seek help for yourself - would he just leave you to "toughen up"? Horrendous!

hevs03 · 05/02/2024 10:47

OP if this 'man' makes you feel like you are worthless then how do you think he is going to make your daughter feel when she is older let alone your new baby. Leave him and live the life you deserve, or get him to leave. Good luck

GinandGingerBeer · 05/02/2024 11:05

God OP I just can't imagine living like this and I feel sad for you but also pleased that the scales have fallen from your eyes.
It's not going to be an easy path and I would seriously think about your MH vs staying in the house and living together while divorcing.
If he treats you like this now, what's he going to come up with when you tell him it's over?
I know the advice is usually to stay put but he's not going to go quietly.

Strikestallulah · 05/02/2024 11:09

what could possibly be worse if you were living alone. You already do everything ....

NancyPickford · 05/02/2024 11:37

I've read some horrendous things on here about the way some men treat their wives and partners - but yours is up there amongst the very worst. How can you bear to spend any more of your one precious life like this, with this horrible excuse for a man? Think how happy you would be to be free of him, and his spoilt brat behaviour, cruel disregard to your, and your child's health. This is no way to live, and I sincerely, totally and utterly sincerely, hope you can get free of him.

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 11:46

Honestly thank you all so much. I can’t tell you the relief I feel that I’m not being totally unreasonable. I genuinely thought I’d be told this stuff isn’t that bad (which one PP did say but everyone else has said different).

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PineConeOrDogPoo · 05/02/2024 11:55

He isn’t the first person I would call in an emergency and I dont bother telling him most stuff.

OP,
What would you say to a friend if they told you this about their marriage ?

Anklite · 05/02/2024 11:55

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 11:46

Honestly thank you all so much. I can’t tell you the relief I feel that I’m not being totally unreasonable. I genuinely thought I’d be told this stuff isn’t that bad (which one PP did say but everyone else has said different).

Oh bless you!

He has gaslit and brainwashed you to kingdom come and back.

This is certainly abuse. Did you see the thread here yesterday where a poster had gone into A&E with a miscarriage… the healthcare professionals there informed social services regarding what she told them about her husband. Now there is an investigation imminent regarding the safety of her unborn child.

What she said about him wasn’t anywhere near close to the level of emotional and financial abuse you have been dealing with… whatever happened in the past, you were a young impoverished student.

What is happening now is not only financial abuse but multiple forms of abuse involving children, animals, and goodness knows what else.

Please contact Women’s Aid, they will be better experienced to advise you and are much lauded here by women in your position who have used them.

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 12:28

It is so hard when you have a long history with someone. I have totally lost all perspective and also tend to talk myself out of things being a real issue and brush them off. For eg it has been a few years since the section/sepsis issue and nothing big has tested things since then in relation to health, and for some reason even though I know it's the same/linked issues with croup example, dog UTI example, etc, I tend to reason these away as different points of view. So will tell myself well, he is entitled to his opinion on this etc. If you looked at his social media his infrequent photos are of us/me, his profile picture is of him and DC and his background is of me and the dog, so it is so easy to look at this and think he does care really. I know this all sounds pathetic but this is now my mind plays things out - I start off angry at him and then without him even having to do it I talk myself down and think it is me overreacting. Ugh.

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babyproblems · 05/02/2024 12:32

Op reach out to womens aid and talk things over with them. Also someone you can confide in IRL. Wishing you the very best of luck- you deserve much more from a partner, and a fair say in your relationship. It shouldn’t be this controlling. Xxx

Anklite · 05/02/2024 12:37

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 12:28

It is so hard when you have a long history with someone. I have totally lost all perspective and also tend to talk myself out of things being a real issue and brush them off. For eg it has been a few years since the section/sepsis issue and nothing big has tested things since then in relation to health, and for some reason even though I know it's the same/linked issues with croup example, dog UTI example, etc, I tend to reason these away as different points of view. So will tell myself well, he is entitled to his opinion on this etc. If you looked at his social media his infrequent photos are of us/me, his profile picture is of him and DC and his background is of me and the dog, so it is so easy to look at this and think he does care really. I know this all sounds pathetic but this is now my mind plays things out - I start off angry at him and then without him even having to do it I talk myself down and think it is me overreacting. Ugh.

Who in your life, childhood or otherwise, taught you that your own senses and feelings were not to be trusted and dismissed?

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 12:42

Anklite · 05/02/2024 12:37

Who in your life, childhood or otherwise, taught you that your own senses and feelings were not to be trusted and dismissed?

I think growing up the bar was set quite low initially for prospective partners, where parents had fairly low expectations themselves (small working class community, most girls met husbands at school, married young, had children, didn't work, husbands had jobs in local factories and industrial sites etc). So I think I have always felt lucky to have ended up with more than that. However parents have definitely changed their view over the years as I have got more educated, independent etc and they know DH is selfish etc. In fact, we usually have a cleaner (I know I am fortunate for this) but she was unwell November-last week so haven't had anyone to help, so I have been doing the bulk of cleaning and parents coming up at weekend to help me with bigger jobs whilst DH either out running or sitting on sofa while we all get on with it. He did eventually clean out the fire after my mum asked him to, but the rest of us were busy hoovering, cleaning bathrooms, changing beds, dusting etc. It is embarrassing when I say stuff like this really.

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HelpMeHelpMyselfToHeal · 05/02/2024 12:44

OP, I could have written a lot of what you've said. I spent 25 years married to someone just like this. It has taken me to years to get out of the marriage, and I felt the same as you in terms of disrupting a wider family. It is horrible and scary but you might look back and think that sacrificing some relationships with family members is worth it, becasue your husband is a horrible, selfish, self-centred abusive man who has eroded all your self-esteem and self-believe and self-worth.

Some of your points are so similar it's almost like you're pretending to be me. The early mornings scrolling on phone while you run around after the dogs, banging the wall in temper because the baby is keeping him awake, road rage, too lazy to ensure your child's safety, minimising your health.

What's more, if your children are anything like mine (alot older now), they will also be affected by this angry man and enter young adulthood with all sorts of problems. My children who are early 20s are SCARED of their father - henever touched any of us, but we are all nevertheless traumatised by his years of abuse.

I am in my early days of now being free of him and I am scared because he made me feel so useless. Tell me how that can be right? I should have left him years ago, for me and for the children. You can do this.

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 12:47

Really sorry to hear that @HelpMeHelpMyselfToHeal - hope you are able to work through this with people you trust and get yourself to a happy place (though sounds like you are already much happier than before) xx

OP posts:
Anklite · 05/02/2024 12:47

HelpMeHelpMyselfToHeal · 05/02/2024 12:44

OP, I could have written a lot of what you've said. I spent 25 years married to someone just like this. It has taken me to years to get out of the marriage, and I felt the same as you in terms of disrupting a wider family. It is horrible and scary but you might look back and think that sacrificing some relationships with family members is worth it, becasue your husband is a horrible, selfish, self-centred abusive man who has eroded all your self-esteem and self-believe and self-worth.

Some of your points are so similar it's almost like you're pretending to be me. The early mornings scrolling on phone while you run around after the dogs, banging the wall in temper because the baby is keeping him awake, road rage, too lazy to ensure your child's safety, minimising your health.

What's more, if your children are anything like mine (alot older now), they will also be affected by this angry man and enter young adulthood with all sorts of problems. My children who are early 20s are SCARED of their father - henever touched any of us, but we are all nevertheless traumatised by his years of abuse.

I am in my early days of now being free of him and I am scared because he made me feel so useless. Tell me how that can be right? I should have left him years ago, for me and for the children. You can do this.

May I ask what kept you in it? Fear of poverty?

I’m sorry you and your children suffered so horribly.