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Am I losing my mind/AIBU about this behaviour/attitude?

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Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 17:22

There is such a back story to this/a history of 12 years that for space and time reasons I can't fully explain. But currently, I am in a situation of trying to work out whether to stay or leave the relationship and feel I totally lost confidence in my ability to make a decision, am worried I will regret a decision to leave and need some perspectives from outsiders to the situation. This is already going to be SO long, so very sorry, and thanks in advance for reading!

I am fed up of my DH behaviour. He has always been selfish/very interested in his own hobbies and pursuits and these have come first, but it mattered less when we were young as I used the time to do my own things/progress my career etc. Now, we are older (me late 30s, him mid 40s), with a 3 year old child and another on the way. Some examples of how he behaves:

  1. His running - marathon - dictates his availability to a large extent. He runs most days, including 5 hours on a Sunday, couple hours on a Saturday, 3 hours on a Tuesday evening. Then Weds and Thurs he runs few hours Weds, running and tennis for 4 hours on a Thurs both during the day as he only works part-time. I have always been the organiser (he hates organising, in his own words, so never does any, whether for social or family admin stuff), but have to organise anything we do/seeing friends not only around this but also the 16 week marathon schedule he works to (twice per year as he runs two marathons, one in April, one in October). He expects evenings with friends, holidays etc to be planned accordingly so as not to interfere with his running schedule.
  2. As a result of the above I have very little/no time for my hobbies. He frequently tells me to get hobbies/do more exercise etc but of course only when he is not doing the above. Any 'free' time I get is spent cooking/paying household bills/sorting stuff for the child/walking the dogs etc. I have no time for hobbies really.
  3. He is messy and disorganised. He leaves his stuff everywhere (clothes on floor, won't chuck anything out so has 5 wardrobes full of clothes, refuses to iron or fold or hang things so its just heaps of it all stuffed into wardrobes overflowing). He leaves paperwork everywhere and if I tidy and put it away in a drawer he moans that it isn't where he left it. He loses the house key frequently. He loses earphones etc. and blames me. He is late for everything including work every day (but his own business so gets away with it).
  4. He does minimal household chores. He will unload/put dishwasher on, occasionally does a load of washing (but won't put it away), occasionally walks dogs (if told he has to because for e.g I have to be in work early or late), and he does a school drop off or pick up most days. But that is it. He doesn't organise anything, buy anything for our child, arrange any activities, do any general cleaning, changing beds, paying bills, food shop, cooking, washing up etc. So he probably spend 2-3 hours per week on household stuff and I spend about 2-3 hours per day when taking cooking into account.
  5. He is dismissive of rules/safety etc. An example is he can't be bothered to loosen and tighten the straps in the car seat so will squeeze DC into it as it is and then lets the straps sit across her arms rather than on her shoulders. He is frequently involved in mild altercations in the car - he is always blaming someone for being in the wrong lane/cutting him up and ending up having arguments with those drivers. He cares little for speed limits - driving 55+ in a 40 because he treats the 40 sign as the starting point to reduce speed. He is always late so always speeding.
  6. He is dismissive of the need for any medical attention, ever. After the birth of my DC I had a PPH and, after finally getting home, was feeling worse and worse each day until I eventually felt I needed to go back to labour ward. Turns out I had the start of sepsis, needed several days in hospital, blood transfusions, IV antibiotics etc. He was in a huge mood that I was going back into hospital, told me it wasn't necessary, made me doubt myself and put off going to get seen for a day. He then was moody with doctors, saying I didn't have sepsis just an infection, and refused to come to visit me the following day (I was there alone feeding my newborn whilst trying to recover from sepsis) because he was so annoyed. Friday night DC woke with croup - has had before but only usually gets the cough, this time she had some breathing issues as well. Saturday morning asked if he would ask our mutual friend (who he knows a bit better/has his mobile number) who is a GP whether he would recommend anything. He refused to message him, insisting she was fine. I should add that when he came into our bed unwell with croup he immediately just left, no asking if I needed anything/any help.
  7. Related to above - our elderly dog has a recurring UTI - started in November and now on 3rd lot of antibiotics. Husband denies he has a UTI/or if accepts it declares no need to do anything about it. As a result, he won't get involved with giving him the meds, won't take him to the vets and has refused to give me any money towards the almost £1k vet bill (He has had 7 urine tests, one set of bloods, a scan of his bladder and 6 appointments plus 3 lots of antibiotics) as he says I shouldn't have paid for any of it/done any of it.
  8. Bills - arrangement when we first moved into our house was I paid all utilities and food, as I was a student then and only working part time. He was working his own business earning £100k+. He paid mortgage and council tax. So he was paying more, but also earned way more (I earned about £15k at the time). My earnings have since increased, but bills have massively gone up so what used to be about £800 a month is now £3k when taking into account childcare etc. He paid mortgage off. Agreement last year (after I begged) was that he would contribute half to the bills now he wasn't paying mortgage and because they were now so much more than they used to be. I have to chase/remind/beg every month for the money and he eventually pays it a month late, meaning I am constantly £1500 out of pocket. He won't set up standing order. He refuses to pay towards things he sees are unnecessary (presents for friend's birthday parties etc).
  9. We remortgaged last year to allow us to do some work to the house and potentially invest some money elsewhere. He promptly took about 65/70% of the money, put it into his own savings accounts and bonds that tied the money up for a year making it inaccessible. He didn't tell me he was doing this. So when bills come in for work to house or whatever he says he can't help as all the money is tied up until X.
  10. He went on holiday with his friend recently. He had mentioned doing it - which is fine, they often have a few days away together as an annual thing - and I just asked to be given notice of what dates he was planning so I could arrange grandparents to help etc. He booked it then told me the dates, which clashed with me being away on a course for work AND our 20 week scan, which he missed. No apology, no acknowledgement this was a problem.

Whenever I attempt to bring these things up it ends up in him getting defensive and ignoring me for several days. He won't sleep well because he gets in such a mood about it, so will be up all hours banging and making sure I am also disturbed (or at least, has no care whether I am). He will then promptly return to normal and ignore everything as if the argument never happened. He makes me doubt myself/feel like all of this is trivial so I end up feeling like it is all in my head or I am being unreasonable. Like with household stuff, when I suggest we write down the list of weekly tasks and divide them, he accuses me of being boring, says relationships shouldn't be about itemising every single task you do, and points towards our friends who had an agreement to do this but ended up splitting up (I hasten to add, they split because one had an affair, nothing to do with the division of household labour!!) He will then say 'and anyway, I do loads of things you don't like put bins out (not strictly true as I also do this regularly and bring them in after collection day, I am always the one to take stuff to the tip as I hate mess/clutter etc) and cut the grass (the latter is true but that only happens 6 months of the year and takes an hour a week, so still nothing in comparison).

I just don't know what to do anymore. I don't know how much better it would be if I left, as many of these problems would persist - finances, car seat etc would all remain a problem. I also don't trust him to have my DC on his own for any length of time because he is so disorganised and, for example, would not take her to hospital if she was unwell, would leave her crying in the night so he didn't have to deal with her etc. When she was younger and slept very badly he would get so angry he would hit walls in the middle of the night when she wouldn't sleep :(

OP posts:
Anotheranxiousone · 01/04/2024 12:18

Oh and to add, he laughed and said my chest is ‘a joke’ and I need to improve my aerobic baseline. I assume this is in response to me getting laryngitis, as he hasn’t got that/doesn’t get it with colds. So another thing he can be better at than me and blame on me being weaker/less physically fit than him. Should add his friend who is a professional athlete is on his ‘7th cold this year’ according to DH and when I pointed out his aerobic fitness levels probably very good, he said the reason he gets ill is he does so much. So I get ill because I don’t do enough whereas for his mate it’s cos he does so much.

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Anotheranxiousone · 01/04/2024 12:20

Oh and in response to me telling him to stop picking at me/him then telling me I’m aggressive, he threw in that I should take some advice for once and I might actually learn something. I’m doing a cold all wrong, you see, and need him to teach me how to do it better!

OP posts:
ChaoticCrumble · 01/04/2024 12:22

take all the advice you can here to save money and get things set up - once baby is here and you can begin to think.

I promise your life will be easier without him.

Southern68 · 01/04/2024 12:34

After reading your first message, I was horrified. He doesn't put your little one into a car seat properly and safely and speeds everywhere. He denies you and your child urgent medical care and gaslights you with it.

I don't usually say anything this blunt, but you do realise this is coercive control, child neglect and financial abuse.

The next thing usually in the list is domestic violence.

I left my narc controlling lazy ass first husband because of all the things you've mentioned, and dv starting from him to me.
I stopped him having my children when my youngest suffered a serious injury in his care that required hospitalisation and surgery, and also nearly downed and had to be revived.
Please think very carefully about whether for yours and your child's safety and mental and physical health this should continue. Personally I would have given him the boot ages ago as there are so many red flags in what you wrote.

MothralovesGojira · 01/04/2024 12:36

I am so looking forward to the day you post saying that you've left/he's been kicked out.
KOKO with those ducks and keep your eye on the prize - which is freedom and not him having a personality transplant

Anklite · 01/04/2024 12:41

I really don’t know how you refrain from telling him to shut his fucking pie-hole.

He sounds like one of the most irritating men who’s ever been described on this forum.

I would however focus less on the irritations and more on the neglect, abuse, control, and all the plethora of goodies he presents.

The sooner he goes, the better.

KnottyKnitting · 01/04/2024 12:45

Well he certainly doesn't know much about anatomy. Laryngitis is inflammation of the voice box- not the lungs... so fail to see how regular aerobic exercise will prevent that?

What a tosser!I would have binned him years ago

Blackcats7 · 01/04/2024 12:45

I had one of these. His speeding was so bad I eventually refused to go in the car with him and so would always drive myself. He liked this because then he always got to drink.
He thought rules didn’t apply to him and would cause problems for me by disregarding them.
We didn’t have children but I couldn’t trust him with my animals if I was ill because he would’t follow important instructions.
Only household things he ever did was to take the bins out and mow the grass. Both of which would never happen unless I asked/ cajoled / begged him to do it.
I had what turned out to be anaphylactic shock once and he minimised my symptoms and made me doubt myself so badly I nearly stopped breathing.
He was earning less than me when he first moved in so I paid the bulk of everything. When the situation became reversed he got really angry when I finally had to plead with him to take on more of the bills because I couldn’t cope.
In 15 years he never so much as made me a sandwich even if I was ill.
I look back now (divorced after the fucker had an affair) and wonder where my brain had gone to put up with it all.
Please leave this selfish man as soon as you can.

OriginalUsername2 · 01/04/2024 13:05

Sounds really shit. You don’t have a partner, just a man making your life really difficult. Who does he think he is?! Might as well make it a bit more shit for the short-term and tell him you’re done.

Anotheranxiousone · 01/04/2024 13:07

Thanks for the support and as always, it is sad to hear of similar experiences @Blackcats7 and @Southern68 although yours sounds more dangerous than mine. Curiously he has been a bit better with the car seat recently, no idea why as usually I get ignored so wondering if someone else has commented or he has read something that has made him ensure the straps are properly in place shrug

But in response to some comment/questions yes have finally realised this is CC and also listened to a podcast a while ago which featured Dr Ramani Durvasula - have since bought her book on narcissists and abuse, which has been eye opening and helpful in understanding some of the behaviours.

I eventually managed to get him to set up a standing order for the bills - for now, though he did this once before then cancelled it when it suited him. It took me bringing it up several times and I got told I was 'so fucking dull' on the final occasion I brought it up but he did then stomp off and set it up. So that at least means the money for the bills will be in the account when I need it and stops me constantly having to chase for it/improves my financial position a bit.

@Anklite I do occasionally snap back but then accused of being 'so aggressive'/stubborn/unwilling to take his advice and 'learn something'.

He told me to take some ibuprofen the other day for my cold and when I said I can't because of pregnancy he rolled his eyes and said 'nonsense', said the same about Sudafed decongestant tablets etc. He honestly thinks he knows it all/doubts everything. TBF a lot of advice in pregnancy isn't particularly well evidenced so there is a need to assess things and make own decisions, but he just dismisses everything. I have been dreading having any problems (so far things gone well with pregnancy) like reduced movements as I would need to lie to him about it I think - if I told him I was concerned about movements he would definitely roll his eyes, tell me I am ridiculous and make me feel terrible as he did with my first pregnancy. Dreading trying to recover from a section in a few weeks with him around :/

OP posts:
TiredCatLady · 01/04/2024 14:07

OP I’m so glad you’re lining up those ducks. You sound lovely and deserve so much better than this. Hope everything goes smoothly with your little one’s arrival and you find the way out soon. 💐

GingerPirate · 01/04/2024 14:08

I couldn't read it all, sorry.
You would feel better if you leave.
He sounds like a nightmare.
However, you have another child on the way?
Sigh.
Leave.

Anotheranxiousone · 01/04/2024 14:26

Yes @GingerPirate - I’ve acknowledged this is less than ideal, but have been kidding myself for a long time about his behaviour/trying to ignore it or blaming myself for it and it’s only very recently that I’ve started to see alternative explanations and options. I can’t change the fact a baby is on the way but can hopefully change the other stuff and will absolutely be leaving as soon as the situation is right.

OP posts:
TheShellBeach · 01/04/2024 14:33

GingerPirate · 01/04/2024 14:08

I couldn't read it all, sorry.
You would feel better if you leave.
He sounds like a nightmare.
However, you have another child on the way?
Sigh.
Leave.

You really should have RTFT.
Your comment is not at all helpful.

LiveLaughCryalot · 01/04/2024 16:16

You are doing amazing @Anotheranxiousone and you have taken the very first, most important step which is seeing him for who he really is. Keep your head down, keep getting your ducks in a row and feel comfort in knowing that this isn't for long. You CAN do this.
With regards to any concerns with the pregnancy or yourself, just don't tell him. Go to the hospital/GP and tell him after. Just remember, he seems to actively encourage you to make decisions that could potentially seriously harm you/baby.
Get your parents on board for after the birth. Plan everything as though he isn't there at all. Make sure you have people around you once you are home as much as possible. If he complains just shrug and say its important you feel supported and say nothing else. If you have any worries or concerns after the birth do not mention them to him. Ring your midwife/family member/friend for advice. You cannot trust that he has the best intentions at all because well, he doesn't.
Good luck and again, you can and will do this.

Bdaybdilemma · 01/04/2024 16:32

The car stuff is seriously concerning and the sepsis incident, he sounds insane!

Ohffsbarbara · 01/04/2024 19:03

Yes he definitely sounds like a narc. They always have to be right and even know better than the experts!

They get with people who have qualities they themselves don’t have (kind, caring, empathetic) but then spend the rest of the relationship (after they’ve lovebombed you to get you emotionally invested) pulling you to pieces and actually enjoying their abuse of you. It’s like they’re jealous of everything good about you so have to inflict little insults/criticisms here there and everywhere to make you doubt yourself and wonder if it’s your fault.
It’s like they hate good people because they are not good themselves so they want to destroy those that they see as “better” in some way.

It sounds like he’s sees you as competition - he always has to be on top, even with something as ridiculous as being ill the correct way.
He sees illness as weakness in others, which they despise - but then expect care and sympathy when they are ill.

Everything is about them getting their needs met - they literally don’t have the emotional capacity to truly care about anyone else. They will mimic certain emotions because they know they have to to get what they want - but over time it becomes apparent that they don’t truly care - hence his neglect and open scorn of your medical conditions/care of your child/pet etc.
If you voice any upset they will turn it into “why are you bringing this up again” “you’re just never happy are you”? - they cannot stand criticism of any kind and will outright deny bad things they have done even if provided with evidence. They are gaslighters - hence why you feel like you’re going mad.
But once you see it, really see it and start to understand what they are you can’t unsee it. You will become adept at recognising his mental tricks and why he’s doing them - grey rocking is the best technique as much as possible.

So much of what you say about him screams NPD to me.

You sound lovely and intelligent. I really hope you manage get out - sounds like you are in a strong position financially and have good family to provide support - good luck with the baby xx

LadyTiredWinterBottom2 · 01/04/2024 19:19

He sounds absolutely vile.

LadyTiredWinterBottom2 · 01/04/2024 19:29

You will get there, l promise xx

EatCrow · 02/04/2024 02:16

MothralovesGojira · 01/04/2024 12:36

I am so looking forward to the day you post saying that you've left/he's been kicked out.
KOKO with those ducks and keep your eye on the prize - which is freedom and not him having a personality transplant

Same. I skipped to page 8 and was hoping the OP had made a decision!

What an unbearable prick.

If all you can muster for your relationship is a vague memory of some shared humour and a few good days early on, I wonder how you can even consider staying. You’re not his manager or his mother.

I want you to feel that relief and freedom when you put your running shoes on.

EatCrow · 02/04/2024 02:28

Brilliantly explained ohffsbarbara.

Anklite · 02/04/2024 04:35

Anotheranxiousone · 01/04/2024 13:07

Thanks for the support and as always, it is sad to hear of similar experiences @Blackcats7 and @Southern68 although yours sounds more dangerous than mine. Curiously he has been a bit better with the car seat recently, no idea why as usually I get ignored so wondering if someone else has commented or he has read something that has made him ensure the straps are properly in place shrug

But in response to some comment/questions yes have finally realised this is CC and also listened to a podcast a while ago which featured Dr Ramani Durvasula - have since bought her book on narcissists and abuse, which has been eye opening and helpful in understanding some of the behaviours.

I eventually managed to get him to set up a standing order for the bills - for now, though he did this once before then cancelled it when it suited him. It took me bringing it up several times and I got told I was 'so fucking dull' on the final occasion I brought it up but he did then stomp off and set it up. So that at least means the money for the bills will be in the account when I need it and stops me constantly having to chase for it/improves my financial position a bit.

@Anklite I do occasionally snap back but then accused of being 'so aggressive'/stubborn/unwilling to take his advice and 'learn something'.

He told me to take some ibuprofen the other day for my cold and when I said I can't because of pregnancy he rolled his eyes and said 'nonsense', said the same about Sudafed decongestant tablets etc. He honestly thinks he knows it all/doubts everything. TBF a lot of advice in pregnancy isn't particularly well evidenced so there is a need to assess things and make own decisions, but he just dismisses everything. I have been dreading having any problems (so far things gone well with pregnancy) like reduced movements as I would need to lie to him about it I think - if I told him I was concerned about movements he would definitely roll his eyes, tell me I am ridiculous and make me feel terrible as he did with my first pregnancy. Dreading trying to recover from a section in a few weeks with him around :/

I don’t understand how you are describing him as someone so ill informed, ignorant, unkind, and frankly rank unpleasant… and you still consider his thoughts opinions and words valid for you?

Very kindly, very gently, please DO wake up, won’t you?

I know that’s harsh, but sometimes we need to be woken up and cast OUT of an unhealthy spell.

MessyNeate · 02/04/2024 07:55

Hope your birth goes well OP and recovery afterwards

Anotheranxiousone · 02/04/2024 08:24

Thanks again everyone.

@Ohffsbarbara this pretty much nails it but I think what I’ve struggled with and therefore doubted myself about is that this is on a spectrum. He isn’t at the extreme end, or at least not all the time, and often he is good or we go through patches where his behaviour is much better. Sometimes he even sorts stuff out like the car seat situation, so it then totally throws me. Depressingly from what my friends describe he is like many of their husbands so I’ve basically just normalised all of this. He makes a big deal of things like bringing coffee up in a morning and will always claim it’s the ‘little things’ that show you care, and he isn’t totally useless around the house or with DD so all of this has just totally thrown my ability to see the overall picture. It’s silly because from the outside when my friends describe similar behaviours I recognise them as wrong but in my own situation I’ve rationalised them, thought he isn’t as bad as others, figured I’m not perfect myself etc.

But yes he does treat me as competition or certainly as someone he can use to make himself feel better, the being ill a recent example but he has always done it, for example he absolutely loves correctly any grammatical or pronunciation errors I make. This doesn’t happen that often as I don’t make that many (or at least not that I’m aware of or he picks up on) but he did it from the start of our relationship, told me he was doing it to help me/teach me and although it made me feel an idiot I just went along with it.

He has impossibly high standards and is rarely satisfied with anything. If given the opportunity he will give me feedback. On a couple of occasions I’ve done things publicly for work he has picked up on something or been neutral in his assessment of how I’ve performed.

Yet if he has something he has to do for work that involves any legal aspect he asks me for advice, asks me to check wording of things etc. All of this just messes with my head.

As I said, he can be very nice and I know other people would describe his as quiet, calm, thoughtful and kind (perhaps also a bit obsessed with running but hey, we all have something) and would probably describe me as the one who is more outgoing, confident, doesn’t hold back in saying what I think if needs be etc. I think that’s because with friends and in work I’m confident but at home the story is different, but this all helps him to gaslight me.

Thanks again for all the support. I’m playing the long game so will be a while before I have an update to say I’ve left as I need to make sure I time it right to protect myself and the kids as much as possible, but I promise I will get there!

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Southern68 · 02/04/2024 19:12

Sending you best wishes and support. Keep your eye on the prize, and remember your worth, next time he says its the little things, remind him that's not the wording of your marriage vows, but it is the mark of a decent man to be kind considerate and caring to you and your child.

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