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Am I losing my mind/AIBU about this behaviour/attitude?

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Anotheranxiousone · 04/02/2024 17:22

There is such a back story to this/a history of 12 years that for space and time reasons I can't fully explain. But currently, I am in a situation of trying to work out whether to stay or leave the relationship and feel I totally lost confidence in my ability to make a decision, am worried I will regret a decision to leave and need some perspectives from outsiders to the situation. This is already going to be SO long, so very sorry, and thanks in advance for reading!

I am fed up of my DH behaviour. He has always been selfish/very interested in his own hobbies and pursuits and these have come first, but it mattered less when we were young as I used the time to do my own things/progress my career etc. Now, we are older (me late 30s, him mid 40s), with a 3 year old child and another on the way. Some examples of how he behaves:

  1. His running - marathon - dictates his availability to a large extent. He runs most days, including 5 hours on a Sunday, couple hours on a Saturday, 3 hours on a Tuesday evening. Then Weds and Thurs he runs few hours Weds, running and tennis for 4 hours on a Thurs both during the day as he only works part-time. I have always been the organiser (he hates organising, in his own words, so never does any, whether for social or family admin stuff), but have to organise anything we do/seeing friends not only around this but also the 16 week marathon schedule he works to (twice per year as he runs two marathons, one in April, one in October). He expects evenings with friends, holidays etc to be planned accordingly so as not to interfere with his running schedule.
  2. As a result of the above I have very little/no time for my hobbies. He frequently tells me to get hobbies/do more exercise etc but of course only when he is not doing the above. Any 'free' time I get is spent cooking/paying household bills/sorting stuff for the child/walking the dogs etc. I have no time for hobbies really.
  3. He is messy and disorganised. He leaves his stuff everywhere (clothes on floor, won't chuck anything out so has 5 wardrobes full of clothes, refuses to iron or fold or hang things so its just heaps of it all stuffed into wardrobes overflowing). He leaves paperwork everywhere and if I tidy and put it away in a drawer he moans that it isn't where he left it. He loses the house key frequently. He loses earphones etc. and blames me. He is late for everything including work every day (but his own business so gets away with it).
  4. He does minimal household chores. He will unload/put dishwasher on, occasionally does a load of washing (but won't put it away), occasionally walks dogs (if told he has to because for e.g I have to be in work early or late), and he does a school drop off or pick up most days. But that is it. He doesn't organise anything, buy anything for our child, arrange any activities, do any general cleaning, changing beds, paying bills, food shop, cooking, washing up etc. So he probably spend 2-3 hours per week on household stuff and I spend about 2-3 hours per day when taking cooking into account.
  5. He is dismissive of rules/safety etc. An example is he can't be bothered to loosen and tighten the straps in the car seat so will squeeze DC into it as it is and then lets the straps sit across her arms rather than on her shoulders. He is frequently involved in mild altercations in the car - he is always blaming someone for being in the wrong lane/cutting him up and ending up having arguments with those drivers. He cares little for speed limits - driving 55+ in a 40 because he treats the 40 sign as the starting point to reduce speed. He is always late so always speeding.
  6. He is dismissive of the need for any medical attention, ever. After the birth of my DC I had a PPH and, after finally getting home, was feeling worse and worse each day until I eventually felt I needed to go back to labour ward. Turns out I had the start of sepsis, needed several days in hospital, blood transfusions, IV antibiotics etc. He was in a huge mood that I was going back into hospital, told me it wasn't necessary, made me doubt myself and put off going to get seen for a day. He then was moody with doctors, saying I didn't have sepsis just an infection, and refused to come to visit me the following day (I was there alone feeding my newborn whilst trying to recover from sepsis) because he was so annoyed. Friday night DC woke with croup - has had before but only usually gets the cough, this time she had some breathing issues as well. Saturday morning asked if he would ask our mutual friend (who he knows a bit better/has his mobile number) who is a GP whether he would recommend anything. He refused to message him, insisting she was fine. I should add that when he came into our bed unwell with croup he immediately just left, no asking if I needed anything/any help.
  7. Related to above - our elderly dog has a recurring UTI - started in November and now on 3rd lot of antibiotics. Husband denies he has a UTI/or if accepts it declares no need to do anything about it. As a result, he won't get involved with giving him the meds, won't take him to the vets and has refused to give me any money towards the almost £1k vet bill (He has had 7 urine tests, one set of bloods, a scan of his bladder and 6 appointments plus 3 lots of antibiotics) as he says I shouldn't have paid for any of it/done any of it.
  8. Bills - arrangement when we first moved into our house was I paid all utilities and food, as I was a student then and only working part time. He was working his own business earning £100k+. He paid mortgage and council tax. So he was paying more, but also earned way more (I earned about £15k at the time). My earnings have since increased, but bills have massively gone up so what used to be about £800 a month is now £3k when taking into account childcare etc. He paid mortgage off. Agreement last year (after I begged) was that he would contribute half to the bills now he wasn't paying mortgage and because they were now so much more than they used to be. I have to chase/remind/beg every month for the money and he eventually pays it a month late, meaning I am constantly £1500 out of pocket. He won't set up standing order. He refuses to pay towards things he sees are unnecessary (presents for friend's birthday parties etc).
  9. We remortgaged last year to allow us to do some work to the house and potentially invest some money elsewhere. He promptly took about 65/70% of the money, put it into his own savings accounts and bonds that tied the money up for a year making it inaccessible. He didn't tell me he was doing this. So when bills come in for work to house or whatever he says he can't help as all the money is tied up until X.
  10. He went on holiday with his friend recently. He had mentioned doing it - which is fine, they often have a few days away together as an annual thing - and I just asked to be given notice of what dates he was planning so I could arrange grandparents to help etc. He booked it then told me the dates, which clashed with me being away on a course for work AND our 20 week scan, which he missed. No apology, no acknowledgement this was a problem.

Whenever I attempt to bring these things up it ends up in him getting defensive and ignoring me for several days. He won't sleep well because he gets in such a mood about it, so will be up all hours banging and making sure I am also disturbed (or at least, has no care whether I am). He will then promptly return to normal and ignore everything as if the argument never happened. He makes me doubt myself/feel like all of this is trivial so I end up feeling like it is all in my head or I am being unreasonable. Like with household stuff, when I suggest we write down the list of weekly tasks and divide them, he accuses me of being boring, says relationships shouldn't be about itemising every single task you do, and points towards our friends who had an agreement to do this but ended up splitting up (I hasten to add, they split because one had an affair, nothing to do with the division of household labour!!) He will then say 'and anyway, I do loads of things you don't like put bins out (not strictly true as I also do this regularly and bring them in after collection day, I am always the one to take stuff to the tip as I hate mess/clutter etc) and cut the grass (the latter is true but that only happens 6 months of the year and takes an hour a week, so still nothing in comparison).

I just don't know what to do anymore. I don't know how much better it would be if I left, as many of these problems would persist - finances, car seat etc would all remain a problem. I also don't trust him to have my DC on his own for any length of time because he is so disorganised and, for example, would not take her to hospital if she was unwell, would leave her crying in the night so he didn't have to deal with her etc. When she was younger and slept very badly he would get so angry he would hit walls in the middle of the night when she wouldn't sleep :(

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JellyWellyBoots · 05/02/2024 07:03

I think @Wednesday6 might be the husband. I mean why else would they come out with such utter fucking bollocks. Christ you sound like an enabling MIL.

Epidote · 05/02/2024 07:15

Regardless of the countless times he had put himself first or he had not give you time or space. If you are fed up, is time to leave.

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 07:21

Thanks everyone. This has been so helpful on so many ways. I’m going to make a plan, starting today with looking for the best lawyers I can to get some initial advice!

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Beaverbridge · 05/02/2024 07:41

Good for you!., Best of luck going forward, you, re doing the right thing lovely.

Tangelablue · 05/02/2024 07:55

I don't understand why he hasn't left if he's so unhappy and treated so badly. When he hit the walls did he cause any damage? If so take pictures so help evidence why he shouldn't have overnights. I would cut my loses and leave if I was you.

LittleMonks11 · 05/02/2024 07:59

Narcissistic personality disorder. Sociopathic.

Good luck making your plan to leave you and your children deserve better.

Sodndashitall · 05/02/2024 08:04

This is just awful. I can't believe what you are putting up with.
Honestly if you left and got a full time nanny to help with kids your life would be transformed

CeilingGranny · 05/02/2024 08:16

He is dismissive of the need for any medical attention, ever. After the birth of my DC I had a PPH and, after finally getting home, was feeling worse and worse each day until I eventually felt I needed to go back to labour ward. Turns out I had the start of sepsis, needed several days in hospital, blood transfusions, IV antibiotics etc. He was in a huge mood that I was going back into hospital, told me it wasn't necessary, made me doubt myself and put off going to get seen for a day. He then was moody with doctors, saying I didn't have sepsis just an infection, and refused to come to visit me the following day

Something similar happened to me with an ex. I was also going into sepsis from an infection and my ex convinced me that I was delusional and not really ill. I was so delirious from the fever (over 40!!) that I just went along with it and also delayed going into hospital for a day.

Not only do I consider that one of the most horrible things anyone has ever done to me, I have to tell you that the paramedics who had to come for me the next day were absolutely furious about it. They were so worried about it that they referred me to an agency for someone to speak to me to make sure I was safe after the event.

So please don't underestimate how serious that was. He put your life in danger. I ended up deteriorating as well because of the delay in treatment and I ended up so much more ill than I needed to be, which at that stage was horrific. It's serious abuse.

What I'd recommend is getting some evidence that this is his attitude to health in case you need that in family court later. I would say he was dangerous to be around unwell children.

Not to mention unwell adults. I'm so sorry you were treated like that.

Bluetrews25 · 05/02/2024 08:17

The more you post, the worse it gets.
It's concerning that you are pregnant and still with him. If anything got complicated he cannot be relied on, as you well know.
Seriously, can you not just run to your Mum? Like, now? Or at least before you are due? Then you can have her support and love. And I'm sure she'd be a better birthing partner.

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 08:31

To everyone asking why I’ve stayed - I totally understand the question but obviously it’s hard to convey on this forum in a short amount of words. It’s not always bad - for eg he will sometimes bring me a coffee up while I’m wfh, or the other day he bought me a little bag of mini eggs. Objectively I know these do not make up for his behaviour but in the moment I weaken and end up thinking he is really nice and I’m the unreasonable one :/

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Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 08:35

Also sorry to hear others have had similar relationships, I’ve seen a few posts on here from women describing ex partners who were awful. @CeilingGranny sounds like we had similar experiences although thankfully mine was caught just in time and I didn’t end up seriously unwell, in fact k felt a new woman after 3 days on the antibiotics and the transfusions!

He also tried to talk me out of the transfusions, telling me they were risky (blood could be contaminated or they might give me the wrong blood!) I actually refused the transfusion at first because of him but felt so rotten I changed my mind the next day. My FiL is a retired doctor and I spoke to him and he told me unequivocally to get the transfusions. This seemed to shut my DH up about it

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LittleMonks11 · 05/02/2024 08:35

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 08:31

To everyone asking why I’ve stayed - I totally understand the question but obviously it’s hard to convey on this forum in a short amount of words. It’s not always bad - for eg he will sometimes bring me a coffee up while I’m wfh, or the other day he bought me a little bag of mini eggs. Objectively I know these do not make up for his behaviour but in the moment I weaken and end up thinking he is really nice and I’m the unreasonable one :/

That's what he does to keep control over you. It's not because he's being kind or nice. Because you know he's not.

hellsBells246 · 05/02/2024 08:37

As well as being abusive, he's thick as shit. There are stringent guidelines in place for blood transfusions.

Why not tell your parents you're thinking of leaving him, ask for their support? Sounds like they will be delighted.

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 08:38

This was his text to me when I was in hospital with the sepsis and trying to decide on transfusions:

Rule 1 of medicine. Diagnosis before treatment.
They are rushing around treating things and haven’t a clue of any diagnoses.
They guessed you might have sepsis (I didn’t hear you gasping for breath or feeling like you were “going to die” but maybe I missed that).

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LittleMonks11 · 05/02/2024 08:41

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 08:38

This was his text to me when I was in hospital with the sepsis and trying to decide on transfusions:

Rule 1 of medicine. Diagnosis before treatment.
They are rushing around treating things and haven’t a clue of any diagnoses.
They guessed you might have sepsis (I didn’t hear you gasping for breath or feeling like you were “going to die” but maybe I missed that).

Jesus wept.

Analysisandparalysis · 05/02/2024 08:41

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 08:31

To everyone asking why I’ve stayed - I totally understand the question but obviously it’s hard to convey on this forum in a short amount of words. It’s not always bad - for eg he will sometimes bring me a coffee up while I’m wfh, or the other day he bought me a little bag of mini eggs. Objectively I know these do not make up for his behaviour but in the moment I weaken and end up thinking he is really nice and I’m the unreasonable one :/

Even sociopaths are ‘nice’ sometimes. Usually as a means to an end though because they want something from you, they want to appear to be being nice etc for some other reason, even just to appease their own ego as seeing themselves as a nice person.

The clues are in his family history and upbringing… If he was a spoilt only-child, privately educated (boarding?) with parents who stroked his ego and didn’t parent him, then it stands to reason he will turn out to be a massively selfish, know it all twat of the highest order.

His family might be nice / but they are his family and will choose him over you. They will also likely spoil your kids and show poor behaviour examples to them. Especially if that includes listening to your ‘D’H’s bullshit and seemingly agreeing with it.

If you’re ever in any doubt, remind yourself that this man puts his own minor discomfort over and above your actual life or death health and doesn’t put your children’s safety as a priority.

olderchildrenhorsesanddogslady · 05/02/2024 08:44

Leave leave leave. I lived with a clone of your DH until last year. 23 yrs of this kind of treatment. I am in therapy and spending alot of time reliving moments like yours and wishing I had left years ago. I am waking up though and remembering what my own feelings are and living independantly. I too blamed myself for many reasons but at the end of the day it was me who was being destroyed. Get out as soon as you can would be my advice. Your life is your own and your children's.

anotherdayanotherpathlesstravelled · 05/02/2024 08:46

Begs the question why on earth you decided to have a second child with him? I'd have packed my bags after the sepsis incident?

Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 08:46

Not that any further detail is needed here but I should say I had been up all night shivering having cold sweats, I couldn’t walk more than a few minute without almost passing out and had to sleep for an hour after, and was losing quite large amounts of blood including large clots. My heart rate was also very fast which my Apple Watch actually alerted me to. By the time k went into hospital I had temperature, low blood pressure and high heart rate of 150bpm, so although I wasn’t gasping for breath, I was definitely unwell!

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Anotheranxiousone · 05/02/2024 08:48

I know @anotherdayanotherpathlesstravelled - in an earlier post on here I did try to explain that I’ve basically just been in denial, or thinking I should be grateful for what I have etc and carried on with it. I know in stupid

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Naunet · 05/02/2024 08:56

Wednesday6 · 04/02/2024 21:46

I don't know he seems alright to me. Earns a lot of money, healthy hobby albeit takes a lot of his time, does drop off pick ups, bedtime, some chores, good sense of humor.. good looking? I understand he can do all of this because you are supporting him, it's not that he started running yesterday.. I'd say talk to him and tell him how you feel get to a compromise. You get on with his family, have kids together. It sounds like you might suffer from lack of attention from his side so trying to attract his attention with being sick, etc..

Yeah, alright men ways punch walls when their baby cries, drive dangerously with a baby not strapped properly into their car seat, steal family money and refuse loved ones and pets medical attention don’t they?! Jesus, pick your fucking standards up out of the gutter.

OP, this man is hideous, utterly disgusting, your life would be much better without him. Don’t waste your life living like this and don’t let your kids grow up to think his behaviour is acceptable.

Mainats · 05/02/2024 08:56

He's absolutely vile, and you owe it your children, as well as yourself, to minimise exposure to his behaviour. As for his family, surely they can see that he's behaving badly? Why aren't they sticking up for you?

EnjoyingTheSilence · 05/02/2024 09:04

Don’t think that you’re stupid. If he was like this at the beginning you would never have stayed with him, he’s done a good job on you. This is on him, not you.

LittleMonks11 · 05/02/2024 09:04

Wednesday6 · 04/02/2024 21:46

I don't know he seems alright to me. Earns a lot of money, healthy hobby albeit takes a lot of his time, does drop off pick ups, bedtime, some chores, good sense of humor.. good looking? I understand he can do all of this because you are supporting him, it's not that he started running yesterday.. I'd say talk to him and tell him how you feel get to a compromise. You get on with his family, have kids together. It sounds like you might suffer from lack of attention from his side so trying to attract his attention with being sick, etc..

Trying to attract his attention with being sick?

Reported.

Veronicaisaflower · 05/02/2024 09:06

Is he trying to make you pull the plug on the relationship because he's to cowardly to do it himself? As previous posters have said, the peace and sense of security that comes from leaving dickhead partners are priceless. It's not about being happier, it's about taking back control of your life.