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Single Dad navigating a new relationship.

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DadOne · 31/01/2024 04:45

I'd appreciate thoughts...

I'm a single Dad with a 10 year old son. I have embarked on a new relationship after being separated for 12 months. The relationship is officially 3 months, but we've been friends for a few years prior, so we do know each other well.

My new partner is 9 years younger than me (30's for her, 40's for me) and for her, she knows that she wants a child and to get married one day. Not a maybe, but it is something that she wants.
She would love for me to feel exactly the same and want that too.

However, my divorce still feels recent, my child is not ready for me to be in another relationship and I whilst I'm open to marriage and another child, I can't say that I'm 100% in as I need to be in a long-term stable relationship with someone who loves me as much as I love them to commit to such important life events.

At the moment, we're not there yet - but I feel we could be, and she has said that she sees and wants a long-term future with me. But is hard to visualize something happening then that is a long way from happening now.

My partner says she can't work on a 'maybe' and seems not see from my side that I can't say yes when I'm not in a relationship that gives me security that this will last - I don't want to go from a failed relationship to another, currently as it's very new. She wants someone who has that desire and want - not someone who 'could do'.
We both really like each other which is frustrating us both. I refuse to say yes to having a child and make a promise - I can see she'd be a great mum but asking for my commitment after 3 months when everything is new seems a bit much.

So, I guess my thoughts are, is this relationship doomed as we seemingly can't agree, and therefore I should let this go so she can find someone who has that exact same want and need, and also (a big question - I'm sorry to add more); I'd be in my 50's as a new Dad should this happen in several years and I'm so concerned that it is too old. My head is a bit of a mess.

Appreciate any advice / thoughts very much.

Thanks

OP posts:
Patrickiscrazy · 01/02/2024 11:57

Hope she'll find someone single and committed. I would never date anyone with a child, if I lived for another 1000 years.

Denimdenimdenim · 01/02/2024 11:59

It's not meant to be, sorry OP.

darkmodeera · 01/02/2024 12:04

She's feeling she hasn't got time left to wait and mess around and you are not ready and quite abit older in a different phase of childrearing and life. Quit while you're ahead I'd say, so she can find someone else to do what she wants.

PrimalOwl10 · 01/02/2024 12:04

It's refreshing to see a parent considering their existing child, the impact of a divorce, new partner and new children. I agree 3 months is way too soon. You haven't even reached the 6 month mark. I get she feels her clock is ticking but the needs of your existing child is priority. She either gives it a year or I'd say you need to part ways. You only need to read the step parenting board to see what happens when parents rush into new relationships and have new dc in a short space of time.

PaperRhino · 01/02/2024 12:21

Three months isn't long at all to be making plans - there are going to be many more things you will find out about each other as you go along and you are still in the honeymoon stage which isn't a realistic basis to plan from. You also have a 10-year-old to think about. Your partner is being prematurely pushy by trying to force you to commit before you are ready. It's good she is clear about what she wants, but if that is to have children soon then she may be better off finding someone her own age and at a similar stage in life.

MeridianB · 01/02/2024 12:31

Another vote to let her go.

Three months is nothing - you should be so carefree at this stage. And while I understand her honesty, I imagine it will terrify most men, even the ones who might want the same as her.

It's way too much after 12 weeks. It makes me think that if you said 'yes, but in 18 months' she would immediately go into full-on settling down mode with you - pushing for a date to meet your son, move in etc. And very possibly being relaxed about contraception because 'well it may take time and we're going to have one anyway, it's just a bit sooner than we planned'. Red flags here.

Mostly, put your son and yourself a country mile ahead of anyone else's wants or needs right now - and for as long as possible. You've both had a huge upheaval and need to settle into the new chapter. 10 is such a gorgeous age and he needs you now more than ever.

You'll meet someone who is more relaxed and at a more compatible life stage. Please don't rush to introduce anyone to your son though. This may sound really conservative but I think around a year is sensible - and the right person won't mind this.

Dervel · 01/02/2024 12:37

I’m in the same boat OP I’m a Dad in my 40’s with a similar age son. Take some time to reflect on the end of your marriage. Maybe don’t think of it as a failure, whatever else occurred you got your son, and that alone makes it a success!

I do think you may have to let this woman go though. She is right to bring this all up as it’s clearly important to her, just as you are right to articulate you are still processing the end of your marriage.

It may feel like you hit the jackpot attracting a woman nearly 10 years younger and after what you view as a failed marriage, but welcome to your 40s. I have no idea what happened but interest from women seemed to explode. Just keep in shape do right by your son and really focus on what you want. You’ll be able to find a woman whose values and goals align with yours much easier in this phase of your life.

I would dig deep on the children issue, and I mean for yourself. If you think you might want more children in future you really don’t want to be faffing around in less serious connections time is still a factor. It also helps bring into focus which women you wish to entertain or not. I would also recommend getting some therapy to help unpack all of this. You marriage, your new status as a single parent, your future goals. One of the best gifts you can give your son is your own happiness. As what you are really giving him is a role model for a good and full life.

TTCSoManyQuestions88 · 01/02/2024 12:37

Neither of you is wrong really but just at very different stages of your life. End it sooner rather than later otherwise the break up will be horrendous and you don't need that.

TTCSoManyQuestions88 · 01/02/2024 12:42

And be careful with that age difference in the future. I am 35 and every single woman in my friendship circle who said in our early 30s that she didn't want kids/wasn't sure, is now pregnant or trying to conceive! So I'd steer clear of younger women or this issue will keep coming up eventually.

ahjeez · 01/02/2024 12:43

I echo what others have said, neither of you are wrong. You have yourself and your child to consider, and she has to consider her biological clock. It is also good to communicate about what you want, this is what healthy relationships should be based on.

However, it does not sound like you are ready to commit just now, which is completely understandable and fair. I hope that you can remain friends and support each other, but I do not think that this will be the right relationship for either of you.

anothernamitynamenamechange · 01/02/2024 12:58

DadOne · 31/01/2024 06:14

Thank you for the replies - much appreciated.

It stings as we both like each other so much yet a 'maybe' is not good enough and I accept that. Oh well, we gave it a go and had fun.

As hard as it is, I think that is a much kinder thing to do than to string her along for a few years and effectively take any chance to have children away from her. It would be different I think if you knew that you would definitely be happy to have children in a few years time but wanted to wait/recover from the divorce first. Since you aren't in that position though its understandable she doesn't want to hold onto a maybe. And at least you can both be honest with each other.

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 01/02/2024 13:04

Sometimes relationships don't work.

She doesn't have the luxury of slowing down her plans & you don't have the luxury of speeding up yours.

It's been 3 months. You both need to go your seperate ways rather than prolonging something where a compromise for either of you is just too much.

Susan2177 · 01/02/2024 13:08

I think she is being unreasonable, 3 month's is a very short time.
And even if you break up with her who's to say she will find anyone else that would commit so quickly. Many man may say yes that's what I want but then change, you can't force someone into a relationship.
You've been truthful with her if she can't except that, then maybe she just wants a safe relationship and love has nothing to do with it.
My husband was very late 40s when we had our son, and he's been an amazing dad for over 35 years.
Tell her the truth and let her decide
Maybe say, shall we discuss after a year.
You could say yes I will commit in 3 years. Many would then change mind, but you have not you have been honest. She is lucky you are honest.
Also no relationship is guaranteed she should know that.

Lalalalala555 · 01/02/2024 13:12

As a women, in her 30's, I think she's saying don't waste her time if you aren't alligned in wanting those things for the future.
It doesn't mean she wants it now, but that she wants to be in a relationship where it's building to that.

As a women in your thirties, you have a finite amount of time before you start to get anxious about being biologically able to have children.

Ie ideally want a stable environment first, some/many want commitment in terms of marriage as a foundation.
Then enough time before menopause (which you don't know when it's going to hit) to have a good chance of having children. Allowing for issues with fertility, miscarriage, potential persons getting ill/putting kids on hold, and time to have another child(s).

It takes 9 months to have a child. Minimum. Allow +1 year(s) for potential fertility and miscarriage?
Plus then young child maternity time.
If you want a second you need to recoup. And then another 9 months. Before having a child ideally you want to be having a child with someone whom you both love eachother deeply and that you have set up a stable and committed relationship and environment. I would say absolute minimum that takes a year, but if marriage is involved that's usually atleast another year of being engaged and planning.

So maths wise
2yrs before trying for baby, 2years from then to have child, 2 years more to have another. >>6 years on a very very rough guessing thing.

What is the average age of menopause and also it's generally preferable to go through pregnancy when you're younger as your body is generally better at recovery.

By age 30, fertility (the ability to get pregnant) starts to decline. This decline happens faster once you reach your mid-30s. By 45, fertility has declined so much that getting pregnant naturally is unlikely

>> for women when you get into your 30s. If you want to have children and a solid relationship, being clear about what you want and not dating for the sake of dating (ie without discussing or valuing if what you both want long term) is important if you have these things in mind.

So hopefully that helps explain her mind. As a guess. As someone who is early 30s.

... In short. Don't waste her time if you're not sure you'd want to get to that point with her.
You should know where you stand in terms of generally wanting children and getting married irrespective of what your partner wants or even having one? Perhaps. So that then you can be clear when you are dating potential partners.

Without doing this inner work and thinking, it is quite selfish to date people without knowing what you yourself want and not working it out.

I think this can happen, and be a problem as the partner who knows can end up waiting and hoping that their undecided partner will 'decide'. But clearly there is no set time frame on reaching a decision. And therefore for women in their 30s wanting to have children, the aim is to mitigating indefinite waiting. And instead find someone who knows their own mind too and someone who's goals align.

Otherwise you're building a relationship but you don't know in what direction. It's like not knowing where you want to live or work. Having done some internal work means that you can build relationships with people with similar goals.

If you don't make decisions in life, you sort of end up just passing time.

Lalalalala555 · 01/02/2024 13:17

*to write consisley.

It is not about pushing you to commit to a deeper level of the relationship now.

It is to determine if both your future wants align and based off that, decide if the relationship is a wise investment of time and energy.

Hope that clears it.

Therefore, if you're not a yes. You tell her that.

MyUsernameIsCake · 01/02/2024 13:19

If you’re not 100% able to see that in your future, with someone you have already known for years in a non-romantic capacity, and you have concerns about your age, then do both of you a kindness and end it before you get too involved.
The resentment that comes with feeling like you’ve been lead down the garden path (at a potentially time critical point in a woman’s life) is immense and will never subside.
Neither of you (nor your child) deserve that negativity in your lives.
And she deserves someone who is as excited to have a family with her, as she is with them.

Lassiata · 01/02/2024 13:19

In publishing there's a saying. "If you need an answer now, the answer is no."

GreyGoose1980 · 01/02/2024 13:36

She is in her 30s and knows that if she wants children she needs to start a relationship with someone who definitely wants that too. Are you sure it’s just the newness of the relationship and you relatively recent break up that is making you unsure (which is obviously a valid reason) or is it the age you would be when any child was born. If it’s the latter, I’d end it now. If it’s the former maybe you could ask her to wait six more months (as clearly. It’s only been 3 months) if you really think she may be the one for you and she feels the same potential is there. Not everyone is the same but I met my DH at 34 and would have waited a bit longer than three months in these circumstances you describe.

MustardPuppy · 01/02/2024 13:47

I see this from both sides. Your new partner is still young and in her 30’s. She has been open about what she wants, whilst I also get you are in a different place right now. You both have to discuss seriously if what you want and potentially compromise. I don’t think it’s unrealistic for your partner to have been up front, and she may wish to know now. Rather than have a relationship and a year or so down the line you don’t want a child/marriage. Only you know what is right poster.

AcrossthePond55 · 01/02/2024 14:04

@DadOne

IMHO, you need to 'back away' from dating for a wee bit longer. If you aren't over your divorce you aren't ready to date.

Also, with a 10 year old son and being in your 40s you really, really need to think through the reality of having another child. You're just getting to the point where your son will start becoming more 'independent' of you; sleepovers, trips with a friend's family, being able to stay home on his own for a bit (in a year or so). He'll soon be wanting to hang with his mates rather than toss a football with you. Although there is sadness in this, there is also freedom. You need to think about the ramifications of 'starting over'. Do you really want sleepless nights, nappy changes, being 'tied down' to a baby's routine, potty training, toddler years? Do you really want to give up the freedom you're about to gain?

I was 34 when my youngest was born and I wouldn't have 'started over' in my 40s for all the tea in China.

Relaxd · 01/02/2024 14:04

You are asking mumsnet not gf - says it all ! Talk to her.

FaiIureToLunch · 01/02/2024 14:08

Don’t accidentally future fake this girl.

You’ve had your family, set her free to have her own.

FuckityFuckBollocks · 01/02/2024 14:08

TBH 3 months in is very soon to be talking about that find of thing but equally I can understand it from your girlfriend’s perspective - she doesn’t want to waste her time.

My ex has just had another baby with his new wife at the grand old age of 48. This is extremely concerning as he was a shit dad to our DCs and abusive to myself, he has a lot of buried issues from his childhood which have impacted in his relationship behaviour. From where I’m standing, he had one chance and he spectacularly blew it, he never should have had more kids. Ok pretty sure my DC feel the same. I am not jealous of his new wife in any way, I am genuinely concerned for her. I was a shell of myself when he’d finished with me and in a very dark place mentally.

So my questions to you are…please be totally honest here, many men do find this hard:

  1. Are you actually a good dad to your current child?
  2. Are you in some way responsible for the breakdown of your previous relationship?

If there’s any doubt about this, the please for the sake of both her and any possible kids - please don’t do it.

Otherwise I’d say go for it, if you genuinely genuinely love her.

TylaTiga · 01/02/2024 14:12

Patrickiscrazy · 01/02/2024 11:57

Hope she'll find someone single and committed. I would never date anyone with a child, if I lived for another 1000 years.

What a pointless and mean contribution.

I agree with others that it’s all just too soon for you OP. Let yourself fully heal, you’re clearly not in the right headspace to be thinking about marriage or children. When you’re healed your head will be clear about what you want and navigating a relationship will be easier.

KirstenBlest · 01/02/2024 14:12

You have got together with a friend with a biological ticking clock.
She's seeing you as a father for her future children.

How will your son feel if he gets new siblings in a few years' time?
At three months you should not be being pressurised into committing to this.

What if you and her make a go of it and the babies don't materialise?

She's pushing you into a position where you'll future fake or be dumped.
I'd cool it.

Not RTFT.

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