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Is this abusive? H and DC

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westofnarnia · 19/01/2024 01:09

Got home tonight after the millionth episode of 'd' H sulking on a nice outing with the dc and i feel incredibly bleak. I would really appreciate a sense check on what happened. I have been in therapy for a while trying to decide whether our marriage is over for several reasons. One of the main ones being how he cannot rein in his moods around dc, and how I have become accustomed to walking on eggshells.

We went out for dinner at his suggestion after dc had a long school day (start at 8, finished afterschool at 5.30). dc is 9 and i suspect becoming a little bit hormonal as she is more emotional these days). Everything seemed fine then we started talking about the Narnia audiobooks dc is listening to that she got for xmas, and i inadvertently gave a 'spoiler' that involves some death, about the last book (sorry-- i dont want to give a spoiler again!) Dc got upset that this death happened and got a little bit teary, i felt terrible, but it opened a good conversation about how CS Lewis was religious and so believed in God and the afterlife and this inspired many of his books, and also that children's books were a little different in the old days perhaps because they were written during/after WW2 when children had to be more comfortable with scary ideas like death (I'm a historian and dc loves history so we do tend to get into these chats.)

Meanwhile H is there and i can tell a sulk is coming on. He's pissed off dc has acted this way, wont get involved in the conversation, tells dc to stop crying and 'acting ridiculous' and says she's being 'a baby'. When her food comes he's still pissed off and tells her she is eating 'like an animal' (she wasn't.) Then in front of her he said to me 'she's ruining this'. I stuck up for her which tends to make it worse. He walked off in front of us all the way home and has just told me that he's not pissed off and I'm the one acting weird.

Writing it out, i know it sounds bad. And it is. But it is also very normal for him. He's had scenes like this on holidays and meals out and at home and when his mood takes over he can't rein it in for dc or me. Often leads to a blowout argument which i try and diffuse if dc is there but he will then shut the door to our room and raise his voice/swear anyway. He cannot tolerate normal dc behaviour. When she was a toddler he would get angry if she was afraid of the dark or if she acted crazy during a long movie. We have clashed over it so many times. He has no patience. Even his mum tells him 'she's just a kid'. He is too strict when i'm not around and i dont really like leaving them together for that reason sometimes. I was out for 2hrs working the other day and by the time i came back he had confiscated her nintendo because she didn't get dressed fast enough.

He has a lot of resentment toward me because i had a short emotional affair which i confessed to quickly, in a very dark time in our marriage during covid when we had a separation, and i know this and i have apologised so many times but i now just think we might be done. I am tired of him ruining a nice evening out or whatever. Me and dc had the chat about the book, moved on, and had a nice dinner. He chose to seethe and get more worked up.

This isn't right, is it?

OP posts:
LambriniBobinIsleworth · 19/01/2024 20:01

Run. I recognise elements of that behaviour in my own dad, who I have a lovely relationship with now, but only after we both had a lot of therapy. He is my biological father and had a terrible, abusive childhood himself but we were only able to save our relationship in my teens and twenties because he had a breakdown and realised his bad behaviour towards me and my mum was wrong (and because she said- and meant- that she would leave him if he didn't seek help). This still didn't stop my first relationship being with an abusive man who showed many of the same traits and who I stayed with for too long and took mental and physical abuse from. He's not even her real dad FFS; leave and be poor.

RaraRachael · 19/01/2024 20:12

XH used or be like this - many days out were reduced to me and the kids because he had to work unexpectedly.
On holidays, he took work with him and sat by the pool doing this. When my daughter was about 10 she asked him if he'd rather be on holiday with us or at work and he said at work.
She's never forgotten this (23 years later)

In the end we split up as I was nothing more than a skivvy who did everything in the house as well as working full time.

ArnieLinson · 19/01/2024 20:14

Btw im sorry if this is a drip feed, but dc is not his bio child. We got together when she just turned 2. I dont think that should make a difference
of course it makes a difference. Lots of women stay with abusive men so they can protect their children from him. If they leave they know the abusive father will have the child alone. This abusive piece of shit isnt the biological father so you dont have that worry.

Hatty65 · 19/01/2024 20:16

Your DD sounds gorgeous, but you are doing dreadful damage to her by staying with this horrific, abusive man. Emotional abuse, which he is inflicting on her, is likely to be more damaging in the long run to her MH than actually hitting her.

Would you stay if he hit her? Why are you staying when he's so awful and not even her father? What do you think you are modelling to her as being a 'normal' or acceptable relationship? What do you think she will repeat in her own romantic relationships?

For her sake, if not your own, please leave as soon as possible. He's utterly vile.

Turning · 19/01/2024 20:30

Not only is a nasty abusive miserable bully he’s also a hypocrite, calling a 9 year old child a baby for crying over a book but he’s the one having toddler tantrums and sulking all the time.
Hes the big baby not your daughter.
Horrible man. You know you need to leave him.

Docugirl · 19/01/2024 23:35

Gosh OP it is absolutely abuse. No decent man or woman would behave like that around a child. I say that as someone who is married to a big sulker, I will be separating from him as soon as I can and his behaviour is not as bad as your DH. I opened your post thinking it would be similar but your situation is far worse than mine.

Do whatever you can to get away from him and stay away. Take care

westofnarnia · 20/01/2024 00:04

Tonight was hard. After school and work, took dd out to the park and H came along of his own volition (i half thought he might apologise and try to act better around dd). However after not long, dd hurt herself running down a hill and was crying. H minimised it even though she hurt her back and took this opportunity to start another argument with me on the same topic, he was like 'do you really think this behaviour is OK' (re the crying/emotions) and then,in front of dc as we walked home, was being nasty to me saying 'you refuse to communicate, im not going to live under your heel forever, why are you behaving like this' (because I refused to argue with dc there.) I'm sure she felt completely responsible for it again. When we got home he said to me 'im never making dinner for you again' and shut himself in our room and refused to talk to me even now dc wasn't in witness to it. I made scrambled eggs for me and dd and am now watching a film with her. I think her emotions are so extreme partly because of him.
Anyway, long story short- i have requested to book an airbnb about 15 mins walk away from my house so dc can stay at school and I plan to move some essentials out while she is at a sleepover tomorrow. I am done. You are all right. He will not change and doesnt even see the impact of things like tonight or yesterday. I want to do better for her.

OP posts:
IHateLegDay · 20/01/2024 00:06

Proud of you for taking this step. Your dd and you deserve better.

Codlingmoths · 20/01/2024 00:31

Oh thank goodness

GreatGateauxsby · 20/01/2024 07:12

This is good decisive action.
Well done OP - stay strong.

Your poor dd I hope she's okay.

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barkymcbark · 20/01/2024 07:15

Her reactions aren't extreme, they are completely age appropriate! It's your dh reactions that are extreme.

Well done for getting out! You're will thank you for it.

Channellingsophistication · 20/01/2024 07:33

You are doing the right thing - you have to think how much this situation would damage DD if you stayed as she gets into teens and beyond.

I know it will be hard, but it will be calm with just you two.

You sound a wonderful person and a wonderful mum don’t be too hard on yourself.

Docugirl · 20/01/2024 08:56

I'm so impressed OP.! You are doing the right thing for you and your lovely daughter. No question.

I think grey rock will be needed to communicate with him going forward. Be careful, he sounds horrible.

Wishing you strength and the very best of luck x

FlamingoQueen · 20/01/2024 09:26

You are completely doing the right thing - and that takes a lot of guts. You and your dd deserve to live a happy life and there is no shame in being a single parent. I hope it all goes well.

JumalanTerve · 20/01/2024 09:42

You're doing the right thing I think - my reading of this situation is that he's punishing you for the EA via your child, which is a) inexcusable behaviour anyway and b) never going to get better over time

And as plenty of PP have mentioned, I think you'll be surprised by the large amount of your friends and family who will have seen him for what he really is

pinkyredrose · 20/01/2024 09:54

Well done Op, you're doing the right thing.

pointythings · 20/01/2024 09:59

Excellent move, well done. Then start divorce proceedings. You will be amazed by how much better your lives will be when you have moved away from this horribly abusive man.

Icepinkeskimo · 20/01/2024 10:09

Sending you strength OP, like so many have said you’ve got to get out of this relationship, it’s a vile existence for you and your child.
Your life’s will be so much better without him, you need to believe this, and do what is best for you and your child.

Xmastime2023 · 20/01/2024 10:13

Well done OP - so many more quiet dinners with your DD to follow.

onedaysdream · 20/01/2024 10:18

It sounds like you’re doing amazing OP. I can imagine how hard last night was but at least it confirmed H’s true colours (whereas if he’d apologised maybe you’d have had more doubts). Sending you lots of luck and happiness for your fresh start.

ButterflyOil · 20/01/2024 10:22

Well done. You can turn this around for yourself and your daughter. You sound very caring and I totally understand feeling like you must have a ‘father figure’ for your child. Thing is, he’s not her father or any kind of father figure - he’s her abuser. You need to remember that and remove her, of course she’s ‘more emotional’ she’s been living with this horrible abusive man for years - and watching you be abused too.

You really need to find your strength and change your mindset about needing to have either her bio father or this monster of a step father about.

Im not trying to minimise the importance of two parents - in an ideal world this is what all children would have, two loving and emotionally present and secure parents. But in the absence of that lots of studies have shown as long as a child has at least one loving stable and securely attached parent who makes them feel safe and nurture they tend to do much better. They certainly do better than a child living with one parent who is attempting to be a good nurturer and other adults who are abusing them.

Wren77 · 20/01/2024 10:27

Pinkbonbon · 19/01/2024 03:25

Ironic that he gets mad at real human emotion like compassion. Because he doesn't have any.

Abusers often react with hate to kindness and empathy and compassion displays from others (unless it's directed at them). They see it as weakness. And they attack weakness.

Your girl sounds like a wonderful, bright, compassionate soul. Do Azlan proud and help her remain so. Don't let dark forces stamp out that goodness. Protect her and tell her that we can always see the light because it strives for good. And the dark...because it seeks to stamp that good out.

Get away from him and give your child a safe place to be. And never stop discussing books with her! Hopefully she will grow up to be a good person like ger mum.

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Gosh what a beautiful reply ❤️

Wishing you all the very best OP. I hope you get away xx

dusty79 · 20/01/2024 10:30

Well done op!! That’s exactly right - get you and your beautiful daughter away from him! I hope her back feels better soon! Keep us updated! You’ve got this!

Newnamesameoldlurker · 20/01/2024 11:19

Amazing to read this update OP- you are strong, you can do this!! Keep posting for support. Hugs to you

DogLover24 · 20/01/2024 12:13

So he frequently throws tantrums whenever there is the tiniest deviation from absolute perfection

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