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Please help, son being abused

196 replies

Genelle1976 · 31/10/2023 23:20

My 22 year old son is in an abusive relationship with a woman, I need help and advice urgently if possible. She’s got a lot of problems and isn’t going to go easily, he’s begged me not to say or do anything so I can’t confront her or tell anyone. He said he needs to be able to trust me and know that I won’t tell anyone, not even my husband.

I’m scared of her and absolutely terrified of what she’s doing to him. They live with us and I feel like I don’t want to leave his side. This is a nightmare, I can’t believe the situation we’re in.

OP posts:
Catsafterme · 01/11/2023 13:33

Don't necessarily believe that she's telling the truth about her family. I have had all this kind of abuse in my marriage and it got worse as time went on. Only difference was it didn't fully come out until we were isolated and tied down.

Same story was fed to me and others from the very beginning, family abusive, others bad, a victim. Was all lies, she was abusive and have since learned was the same towards family and previous partners too. Now she's throwing everyone including me under the bus, smearing everyone else as abusive again to be a victim.

She needs to go OP, she's turning his head inside out but he must know on some level it's wrong and is reaching out. Don't do what I did and feel sorry thinking may have problems right now so maybe it's a phase and can get better with time. Certainly didn't in my case.

CoffeeBean5 · 01/11/2023 14:41

Genelle1976 · 31/10/2023 23:47

Ok I feel guilty enough, it’s hard when you’re terrified of someone and what they might do. I’m going to the police tomorrow to report this. If I kick her out right now she will take her two dogs and be on the street, I feel bad for them and don’t want them to be in any danger as well.

The person who said I need to get a grip worrying about her - where did I say I was worrying about her?

If I kick her out right now she will take her two dogs and be on the street

And? Not your problem. Kick the abuser out. Dogs may end up being rehomed which isn't a bad thing. The longer you allow her to live in your house, the longer you allow this woman to abuse your son. I'm sorry but you are facilitating the abuse. If she comes back then ring the police.

ohsuzannah · 01/11/2023 15:25

@AbbeyGailsParty
Police cannot section someone in their own home. I've been through this myself in the last few weeks with my dd, who has complex mental health problems. Only a doctor can section and they have to obtain a section 135 warrant and attend with police. Our doctor refused to help. The week after she attacked me with a heavy metal bottle and was arrested. Even then she wasn't sectioned and everything is still the same.

applebee33 · 01/11/2023 17:16

Oh op I'm sorry you and your lad are in this horrible situation. Having two ds myself I honestly think my first reaction would be to drag her out the door by the head ! How dare she under your own roof too boot !

You need to cut the cord that's holding them together which is her living in your house .

Azulocean · 01/11/2023 18:28

Hope you are feeling better. Could you tell her you’ve had a change in circumstances and can no longer house her. Perhaps with her out of the house your son may just get enough of a break from her to see the light?

I really feel for you! And will keep everything crossed

Dwhat123 · 01/11/2023 18:50

ohsuzannah · 01/11/2023 15:25

@AbbeyGailsParty
Police cannot section someone in their own home. I've been through this myself in the last few weeks with my dd, who has complex mental health problems. Only a doctor can section and they have to obtain a section 135 warrant and attend with police. Our doctor refused to help. The week after she attacked me with a heavy metal bottle and was arrested. Even then she wasn't sectioned and everything is still the same.

Sorry to hear what you are going through and agree from personal experience that the police cannot section in someone home.

i was advised that they would if my ex was outside the house and suggested that this could be something that worked but not to put anyone at risk in getting them out for the assessment.

ohsuzannah · 01/11/2023 19:28

"i was advised that they would if my ex was outside the house and suggested that this could be something that worked but not to put anyone at risk in getting them out for the assessment."
@Dwhat123
Thats exactly what I was told. It's very hard to live with someone who can explode at any minute, but I've tried so hard to get help for dd, no one cares, and on top of everything else she was pushed around by the police and is covered with bruises. Her MH is 100 times worse 😢

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 01/11/2023 21:21

Hi op
I'm so sorry this is happening to your lovely son he sounds like he has such a kind heart. But he hasn't yet had to develop boundaries for his kindness.

Just to add to the advice above, it's very likely she will make counter claims about him (look up DARVO if you don't know it). Any diaries etc you can keep of what's gone on will be helpful. If before you mention police etc to your son you can talk to him about Darvo and perhaps encourge Audio recording (assuming this is legal) for his own protection and evidence of what's going on i case she tries to accuse him. Sounds like she's got it in her.

HE SHOULDNT TRUST WHATEVER CONTRACEPTION SHE SAYS SHES ON

Chelsea543 · 01/11/2023 21:59

This is such a tough situation but it reminds me of a police show on tv (24 hours in police custody) where a man was being beaten by his girlfriend and refuses to admit it. Eventually he dies from his injuries.

I know it’s going to cause drama and your own son may take her side and feel betrayed. But as a mother we don’t always do what our children want - we do what’s in their best interests.

his best interests now are to get away from this nasty woman. It’s toxic and maybe once they are separated she can get the help she needs and he can once again become the confident person he was.

having her in your home is essentially allowing this to continue under your roof!

Genelle1976 · 01/11/2023 23:10

I’ve only just felt well enough to be able to post on here, thank you for every single reply, I’m very grateful for each one of them and have read them all.

I managed to get a bit of time alone earlier and spent 40 minutes on the phone to Men’s Advice Line. Spoke to a lady who was hugely helpful. She gave me a lot of advice and was soo on judgemental and supportive. She actually advised that I don’t take any major action without my son’s consent first, and to basically not go behind his back.

She said abusers do their best to isolate victims from family, and the fact he chose to confide in me might mean I’m the only link he has when it comes to feeling connected with the “outside world”. If I betray that, he could completely shut down and I won’t know anything. She said she thought it’s very likely if the gf leaves here at the moment, he will follow her.

She also said their philosophy is that the victims are in control because so much of their life is controlled by their abuser, so allowing them to have that control is very important. This goes against my instincts because I really just want to go to the police when I feel well enough and report her. She did say there are other routes though to obtaining a non-mol order.

She also told me about an app to use which has a built in recorder in case I can get some of it documented. I can also keep a journal of everything she’s doing. I’ve already started this. I tried to speak to my husband earlier again but didn’t tell him all the details still, as my son requested. He just repeated what he said last night, that he’s an adult and if he needs help he needs to ask for it. There just isn’t much interest or concern from him in general, but that’s another story.

They went out today and got back tonight happier than I’ve seen them in a while, both in fantastic spirits and seem very loved up. It’s just bizarre, it’s as if nothing has happened. I’m having a hard time acting like everything is fine. I asked my son to chat to me alone at some point but he said he’s very busy tonight. I think he knows I’ve got some things to say and doesn’t want to hear it.

So tomorrow I’m going to try to get him on his own at some stage if I can and ask him to give one of these numbers a call or email them, plus the advisor earlier said he should go to the GP and get all this documented so I will tell him that.

Yes it’s annoying and frustrating for people to read this I imagine, but I’m trying to tread carefully and make sure he’s safe while also convincing him he can trust me.

To the person who said he learnt his people pleasing ways from me - yes you’re absolutely right there, I’ve failed him hugely and am in therapy myself trying to right the wrongs I’ve done along the way.

OP posts:
Stomacharmeleon · 01/11/2023 23:22

@Chelsea543 I remember that it was desperately sad.

Anothernewname123 · 01/11/2023 23:31

You've done the right thing OP, you have professional advice and support. You are building a trusted connection with your son. Keep contacting the helplines for support and advice - it will help your state of mind as well as help your son.

Gloriously · 01/11/2023 23:38

Well done OP for calling the experts, listening and taking on their advice despite this being against your instincts.

You’ve done a great thing today.

Genelle1976 · 01/11/2023 23:53

Anothernewname123 · 01/11/2023 23:31

You've done the right thing OP, you have professional advice and support. You are building a trusted connection with your son. Keep contacting the helplines for support and advice - it will help your state of mind as well as help your son.

Thank you this means so much, feeling so emotional tonight. I appreciate your kind words a lot.

OP posts:
Genelle1976 · 01/11/2023 23:55

Gloriously · 01/11/2023 23:38

Well done OP for calling the experts, listening and taking on their advice despite this being against your instincts.

You’ve done a great thing today.

Thank you, you’re so kind. I should have tried to sort this months ago, it’s just very hard when I have a husband who calls me neurotic and ridiculous for worrying about all of it. I don’t have his backing at all and with my son constantly telling me he doesn’t want or need my help, it’s very hard to push through that. This time though I was absolutely desperate to contact the police. I’m so glad I spoke to that charity today, the woman was such an incredible help. I will do what I can each day now.

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maratara · 02/11/2023 01:19

2beautifuldoggies · 01/11/2023 09:33

I had a very similar situation with my Ds and his (ex)gf, she came to live with us and then they got a place together and we never heard from him again nor did his friends.
He eventually made contact and told us how controlling she'd been and that she was pregnant with his baby and said if he left her she'd say he raped her so he stayed with her, (I read the texts) she threatened self harm and to harm the baby and to contact children services and make up lies about our younger dc if he told anyone.
Ds finally left, she carried out her threat and he was arrested but she didn't go through with giving a statement, she then made up various lies to the police every time he refused to get back with her saying she would make his life hell but he could always go back to her if he wanted it to stop.

She now lives with her baby, she continues to threaten that if he tried to see the baby she'll get him arrested again for rape as the police said she could change her mind about making a statement any time in the future so she can forever hold that over him.
Sadly he doesn't see the baby as she's made it too dangerous,but it won't get any better, she planned this all along, she wanted a baby and she got one.
This was years ago now but I'm telling you because we didn't think she would go this far but she was ruthless and wanted to cause as much damage as she could even her family said that is unfortunately what she does to get her own way.

This is what I was terrified of, when in a very similar situation to the OP. 8 years later we are all good but gosh it was horrendous.

Motnight · 02/11/2023 07:24

Good luck to you and your son, Op.

nibblessquibbles · 02/11/2023 07:37

Well done OP. I am sp glad you have professional help and even if it feels odd, best to be guided by them as they know their stuff .

Good luck

Lastchancechica · 04/11/2023 06:13

I work in dv and this is the best advice.
Making time for him to talk to you is so important, so he remains connected with the truth and safety.
He is much safer in your house, as hard as it is to tolerate her.

Your marriage is another story isn’t it… your dh sounds truly awful. Please don’t take all of the blame for your sons predicament, he couldn’t have known when he met her just how hard things were going to become, abusers don’t come with public warnings.

I wish you well. He is very lucky to have such a loving and supportive mother.

Christmas202 · 12/11/2023 16:06

Hope things have settled for you all and hope your boy is ok 💕

NotManyDaysTilChristmas · 12/11/2023 21:46

Bin bag her and change the locks - she needs to f**k off. Give her £100 for a train fair and tell her never to come back to YOUR house again. I kicked out one of my son’s psycho gf’s and she wasn’t so brave with me - you need to get this girl out of your house. If she comes near you guys again call the police. And tell your husband.

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