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Can someone genuinely love you, but cheat?

201 replies

Sxs · 19/10/2023 16:02

Yes or No?

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Rania78 · 19/10/2023 18:48

Sxs · 19/10/2023 18:46

Im the one who got cheated on ffs @GilberMarkham 😂 im with you and agree with you on everything but i like to see if im too cut and dry as many things influence peoples abilities as adults. Regarding pain, people's definition differ, someones partner may get into class a drugs, drink drive, keep financial secrets, affairs. All of these can cause suffering to a partner but others can overlook. Same with cheating/open relationships. Everyones tolerance is different. Its subjective. Even love it seem in some cases.

@Sxs may I ask how you found out? What his response what? Are you married? Do you have children?

Rania78 · 19/10/2023 18:49

Sxs · 19/10/2023 18:46

Im the one who got cheated on ffs @GilberMarkham 😂 im with you and agree with you on everything but i like to see if im too cut and dry as many things influence peoples abilities as adults. Regarding pain, people's definition differ, someones partner may get into class a drugs, drink drive, keep financial secrets, affairs. All of these can cause suffering to a partner but others can overlook. Same with cheating/open relationships. Everyones tolerance is different. Its subjective. Even love it seem in some cases.

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Daffodilwoman · 19/10/2023 18:49

No. They like the lifestyle you offer but deep down no they don’t.

Sxs · 19/10/2023 18:50

@Rania78 yes, i was married with one child. It didnt get to physical but the intent was there im sure.

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Rania78 · 19/10/2023 18:52

Sxs · 19/10/2023 18:50

@Rania78 yes, i was married with one child. It didnt get to physical but the intent was there im sure.

Sorry to hear @Sxs . Did you find messages and signs of emotional affair? How did he justify himself?

Sxs · 19/10/2023 18:53

@Rania78 when confronted he admitted. There was evidence on his computer so he couldnt anyway. He's still apologising years later.

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Rania78 · 19/10/2023 18:55

So basically it has been years since then. Have you seen any signs of him
cheating again? Was it before or afrer the baby? And how many years into your relationship?

Sxs · 19/10/2023 18:56

@Rania78 he never gave a reason, to this day, says he doesnt know. Im over him but i still think of title of the thread almost daily.

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GilberMarkham · 19/10/2023 18:56

Sxs · 19/10/2023 18:46

Im the one who got cheated on ffs @GilberMarkham 😂 im with you and agree with you on everything but i like to see if im too cut and dry as many things influence peoples abilities as adults. Regarding pain, people's definition differ, someones partner may get into class a drugs, drink drive, keep financial secrets, affairs. All of these can cause suffering to a partner but others can overlook. Same with cheating/open relationships. Everyones tolerance is different. Its subjective. Even love it seem in some cases.

I honestly think, for the vast majority of people, infidelity is a more visceral pain & sorrow, and more of a fundamental betrayal, than the other shit behaviour you've mentioned. It's sexual/intimate/fundamental/emotional in a way other poor behaviour is not.

I'm not saying other poor behaviour can't cause pain, sorrow, betrayal etc and sink relationships ... Of course it can.

It's just that infidelity seems to be in a league of its own for most people.

You see violent reactions, often resulting in serious injuries and deaths, over infidelity much more often than over any other relationship behaviour.

maximumcarnage · 19/10/2023 18:57

Hard no.

zerored · 19/10/2023 18:59

Yes

GilberMarkham · 19/10/2023 19:00

Im the one who got cheated on ffs

I'm really glad you're not currently in that position, I meant.

I'm sorry you went through that.

You had stronger boundaries than many ppl on here (and anywhere) for getting rid of him without evidence of physical cheating. Some ppl would stay because of that .... Those ppl usually end up on here down the line with further infidelity though.

Leafypage · 19/10/2023 19:01

No and people that accept it aren’t self respecting

sunnyseed · 19/10/2023 19:02

No

GilberMarkham · 19/10/2023 19:06

He's still apologising years later.

Oh my word .. tell him to STFU.

Is it not bad enough that he cheated on you with a baby in the picture, without moaning on at you about it years later.

One sincere apology and move on ... Such self indulgence.

Sxs · 19/10/2023 19:07

@GilberMarkham it showed a lack of integrity and bad intentions. I didnt need to wait for the rest. I didnt want to look over my shoulder and wonder if 5 minutes late meant more than 5 minutes late.

i agree. Infidelity was a whole other league for me too. It stirred up betrayal, feeling stupid, embarassed, feeling inadequate, shame. My brain has been wired differently since. Many years later i still feel it. I actually found dealing with losing grandparents easier as it was a case of yes i miss them but i understand death. The cheating i still (clearly) dont understand!

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Anonymouslyposting · 19/10/2023 19:08

I think yes - people are idiots and make stupid/selfish decisions all the time, doesn’t meant they don’t love someone they hurt. That said, I’d still leave my DH if he cheated - loving me wouldn’t make up for being a selfish dick.

Rania78 · 19/10/2023 19:09

Anonymouslyposting · 19/10/2023 19:08

I think yes - people are idiots and make stupid/selfish decisions all the time, doesn’t meant they don’t love someone they hurt. That said, I’d still leave my DH if he cheated - loving me wouldn’t make up for being a selfish dick.

Me too.
however, i must say I am surprised at how many men cheat when a baby is on the way. Why donthey do that?

Anonymouslyposting · 19/10/2023 19:19

Rania78 · 19/10/2023 19:09

Me too.
however, i must say I am surprised at how many men cheat when a baby is on the way. Why donthey do that?

Responsibility hitting home and feeling trapped I guess - neither a good enough excuse though.

Rania78 · 19/10/2023 19:21

Anonymouslyposting · 19/10/2023 19:19

Responsibility hitting home and feeling trapped I guess - neither a good enough excuse though.

There is another thing I have also noticed.
They all want children. As soon as they have them though and realise how difficult raising a child is, they abandon them to their wives and go to have a career. They then find the excuse “i bring money home”, while in reality they want to get away from it all.

OhmygodDont · 19/10/2023 19:22

Yes because many do separate love from sex for a start.

However if they know sleeping with someone else would hurt you then even if they do love you they don’t care about you above their ego.

GilberMarkham · 19/10/2023 19:22

My brain has been wired differently since. Many years later i still feel it

I think it's been established.. it's commonly accepted now that being a victim of cheating can cause a type of PTSD.

Maybe counselling might help. Is it edms that everyone talks about on here?

I think it's entirely natural to react to something that caused you pain and that made you feel foolish and made you feel like you you should have been on guard .. . To push you into a mindset of "I must be on my guard, I cannot trust people, I can't relax and presume everythings hunky dory, I don't want to feel pain like that again". It's only human to end up in a mindset where you ret to prevent/circumvent what happen to you, and caused you pain.

GilberMarkham · 19/10/2023 19:24

to this day, says he doesnt know.

He does know.

He just can't say it out loud/admit it ... Because t would make him feel like (and look like) such a schmuck.

I'd hazard a guess at ..he had an opportunity to shag a halfway attractive woman ..and didn't have the integrity to turn it down, and thought he'd get away with it.

FlagFatigue · 19/10/2023 19:34

If someone can cheat on someone they 'love', then their definition of love varies hugely from mine.

I can't imagine going through my life thinking love is something so weak, that you would cheat on someone that you 'love' for.

I love my partner so deeply, to hurt him would feel worse than hurting me. To betray him is unthinkable to me.

FlagFatigue · 19/10/2023 19:39

feel love for.

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