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How many men go back to the OW?

210 replies

notanotherstat · 18/10/2023 18:30

Just wondered how many men come clean about an affair (out of the blue), say they want to give the relationship another go, and then go back to the OW?

OP posts:
PeacefulPottering · 23/10/2023 23:06

Aye, mine was the classic been together 20 years. I think he just got " bored"
Bored of family, two children , a mum who lost herself.
What he didn't do was ask why?
Why did your love and the mother of your children lose herself?
Was she ground down with childcare?
Did she put herself last?
Was her sexual needs not getting met,?

PeacefulPottering · 23/10/2023 23:10

It's nauseating that these men still get to say it's women who " make them cheat"
Fuck that. It's entitlement first and center that makes people cheat, male or female.

MeMySonAnd1 · 24/10/2023 00:11

PeacefulPottering · 23/10/2023 23:10

It's nauseating that these men still get to say it's women who " make them cheat"
Fuck that. It's entitlement first and center that makes people cheat, male or female.

That’s my point exactly, nobody can make someone cheat if they don’t want to.

My exH cheated, I don’t think for a moment he was seduced beyond his control by another woman, he cheated because he wanted to and because he could.

My friend’s husband was always an arse in so many things and also cheated on her… I think she decided to “save” her marriage by convincing herself the OW tried to steal her innocent husband and the best thing they could do to save the marriage was to present a united front against the intruder (!!!) so yeah she and her husband spent so much time blaming the OW but from I was told the OW didn’t know he was married, she was single so if there was a cheater it was him. Friend and husband are still together and apparently, the marriage is much better after the affair, even if she is looking over her shoulder all the time…

SurprisedWithAHorse · 24/10/2023 10:11

PeacefulPottering · 23/10/2023 23:10

It's nauseating that these men still get to say it's women who " make them cheat"
Fuck that. It's entitlement first and center that makes people cheat, male or female.

Well, they're fully backed up by everyone who saves all or the worst of their vitriol for the OW, or claim that she's equally responsible. Because marrying someone and having children doesn't create any further responsibility than a completely unconnected person. And people who say he couldn't cheat if women didn't accept him. So it's fine if a man is faithful only because every woman he propositions says no. That's a great husband.

Thewookiemustgo · 24/10/2023 18:12

OP there’s a lot here to digest!
Of course you wonder if he really loves you, the cognitive dissonance goes round in your head making you feel crazy.
”He is with me, wants to be with me, he must love me” calms you down for a while then: “He has had an affair, how can he love me?” Rinse and repeat.
Affairs can’t work without lying. A lot of lying. When people are in an affair, lying is the only thing preventing it all from crashing down and upending lives. Lie to the wife: I’m going to be in a meeting which I can’t see ending any time soon” Lie to the AP “My marriage is dead, you’ve come along and make me feel alive again. Oh no… we don’t sleep in the same bed…oh no, Im only staying for the children… oh no, I don’t love her, I love you” But then how to stop guilt? Stop feeling ashamed? Justify the terrible thing you are doing? “Actually, my wife is (insert negative comment lie here) and she never (insert negative comment our here) and she’s always so (insert negative character assassination comment lie here) and we met so young I’ve probably married the wrong person. I’m so (insert incredibly entitled self-aggrandisement here) and have been such a good husband and father that I deserve this happiness, I deserve better. Come to think of it, I’m actually a victim of unhappy circumstances not of my own making….” Etc etc etc. Guilt gone, shame gone, permission to self to continue cheating given.
Cold hard truth evaporates the lot of it sooner or later.
At present if he’s been lying for a long while he’ll find it hard to stop. Cheats tend to be avoidant cowards, who then try to maintain a status quo without having to own their own part in that status quo and can avoid tackling anything, and find a crutch of some sort to make them feel better about themselves and avoid their issues. The lies get bigger, the whole thing gets a momentum of its own and it gets so involved and complicated that getting out can seem impossible. Then when they have been rumbled, or can’t stand the double life any longer, truth starts to erode the lies, guilt re-emerges so it becomes damage limitation. It becomes about how to hold onto what they really want whilst also still trying to feel good about themselves, avoid seeing your disappointment in them and avoid looking at who they really have become at all costs. If their AP has been promised a future that was never going to happen they say stuff like “I’ll always love you but I have to stay with my family/ kids” Not say he wants to stay with you, OP, because the AP wouldn’t like to hear that and he might be afraid of what she’ll do in retaliation or just say it to avoid the guilt of having been a shit to her too. So he wants to leave AP thinking he still loves her but is nobly foregoing his own happiness for his family. This gets swallowed whole, pretty laughable really as this man hasn’t been noble in a long time.
So, OP, it’s very likely he wants to stay with you, and regrets his affair. However, if he wants even a chance from you after this, you get to decide what that looks like, you tell him, no negotiation, and stick with it. Explain what the boundaries are and be prepared to follow through. First one is no further contact, about anything, no contact, ever. There’s no reconciliation with a third party still in the marriage. What happens after that is up to you. You are the priority, you call the shots now. Ignore anyone talking in absolutes, eg they always love the OW but are too cowardly to leave/ once a cheater… etc etc, somebody will always disprove just about anything anyone ever says on here, one person’s experience is not the same as another’s. Some love the OW, some don’t. Don’t let comments trigger you and make you feel worse, they are comments and opinions and everyone is entitled to them, but might not be true in your situation. Put yourself first now, no reconciliation until he’s given her up completely. No contact, ever. This really is your first priority. Sending love OP, it’s truly horrible. X

bronkie · 26/10/2023 01:00

@Thewookiemustgo so true about all the lying.

hallingthedecks · 26/10/2023 14:52

I wonder if it might be very likely that a man will start seeing the AP again after having disclosed the affair to his wife and having been forgiven.

Certain men will think that if wife has forgiven them that it means she is basically not going to leave him. He will feel even more secure in his marriage than he did when he was having the affair in secret.

Having stopped seeing the AP for a while after disclosing it to his wife, with his marriage sort of repaired, he might then start getting bored again, crave the excitement of the affair again or he might miss the AP and think, if he's ultra careful, he can have both.

An AP might be on board with this plan because she's so desperate to see MM again.

Jonti23 · 26/10/2023 15:05

Stop triggering the OP @hallingthedecks

I think it’s very unlikely actually and that @Thewookiemustgo is spot on here. He wants out and his family and wife, and the only way to put distance with an over eager OW (and they by nature are the ones waiting for a strip of meat to be thrown to them) so he’s doing it by proxy to distance himself. He does not want the OW that much is clear.

AP is incorrect as AP refers to partner and an OW is not partnered with anyone, she’s just in the queue.

SecondChancesAtLife · 29/02/2024 19:41

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HenndigoOZ · 29/02/2024 20:05

I think you aren’t ready to let go yet OP until your thoughts are clarified more. Your DH’s actions going forward will be the basis of that clarity, rather than us on MN as we can’t tell you if he loves you or not or the degree of his infatuation with the OW. Obviously the risk of that is that he changes his mind again and decides to go with her and that would be something you would have to accept. Two years is a long time and it looks like the OW is doing everything she can to persuade him to ditch you.

I would prepare for this risk. For example retrain if you are not working. Make sure the house is being paid down. Document what assets there are including pensions. Get counselling to put together a plan of what you would do if he left you for the OW or another OW. So having a plan B might help you live with the uncertainty. I think the risk is real, he has already shown himself to be secretive and not stick with agreed upon actions.

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