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Friends anti family behaviour and it’s part in my divorce

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Damnthemall · 10/09/2023 08:24

Long, but hopefully not boring as there is a question at the end…

Also, I need to be careful here as this is quite outing, but I need some advice and opinions and have name changed to mitigate risk.

Situation is that I am 50 and have been married with two now teenage DCs for 20 years. Socially me and H have belonged to a well established group comprising of similar age, affluent type people most of whom are also married with kids. Before marriage, we were ‘human traffic’ type mates, going out a lot and friendships turning into partnerships, living for the weeks types etc.

Over the years family demands obviously clipped the wings of our social lives and the women in the group have especially grown up, hit peri, relinquished parties, drinking and late nights as most have ft jobs and other, better things to do quite frankly. All pretty standard stuff I think. Some including me have really called time on clubbing, festivals, etc which considering our age is kinda to be expected.

That is all but one woman in the group. This particular individual has taken it upon herself over the years to be the party girl promoter, taking up DJing in her 50s, going out clubbing and socialising at every opportunity and dragging her husband along. She doesn’t work, he has a highly paid stressful job. They have two teenage DCs. It’s a bit of a running joke that he doesn’t really want to do the whole social life thing and is forced into it by her but in the past she has laid down the law and we know a few years ago she gave him an ultimatum and said join me or I’m leaving you. so to keep them together he works hellish hours and then goes out for three day festivals and nights out regularly leaving their two teenage DCs alone or with granny.

so, that’s their business, but over the years her behaviour has raised some eyebrows. She is really glam and a massive attention seeker and constantly pesters people to party with her, she’s only happy when the men are giving her attention and when she is getting compliments. Always got a drink in her hand. Some people admire her and say she is ‘marvellous’. Some people find her irritating because she rattles cages - including mine - by pressuring people into going out and clubbing, usually with cocaine, booze and pills in the mix, when everyone else have been busy paying bills, looking after family etc etc. there are mutterings behind her back that she is off the rails and that she has taken the whole middle class hedonism thing way too far, but she seems to thrive on this lifestyle and is so vivacious it’s difficult to dislike her.

i fall into the latter. She has upset me in the past and I have tried to tell her. Life for me and H has not been easy. Back in the day we were both party heads but we turned things around and built a nice house together, stayed in and focused on our family. We are not high earners and we had our differences but our hearts have always been in the right place and we worked bloody hard and focused on the kids. It paid off. We have built such a stable unit and the kids have absolutely now worried and are healthy and thriving. We have fewer dramas and issues than any other family we know. Settled, healthy and loving.

that is until now

over the last twelve months there have been lots of parties. The kids in the group are growing up and need less childcare so this gradual freedom is opening up doors for some to go to more things. Because it was a big birthday year, me and H ended up going to two big events with said party girl and quite a few of the others. one for instance was a trip for our joint birthdays along with others from the group. It was fun, but I can’t really drink or party any more and on all occasions I ended up VERY ill (self inflicted) for about three days afterwards whilst all the crap left my system. As a result I told DH that last year was the exception and that I have to stop drinking as it’s so bad for my well-being and mental health. I was happy to accept that at 50 I need to face up to the fact that I can’t hold my life together and pretend I’m 28 at the same time.

anyways, festival time comes around again this year and so H went on his own this time with party girl, her DH and some of her other mates. I was fine about that as accept we have different needs.

roll forward six weeks and he’s now leaving us. My youngest son is 15. He (H) claims he wants to go to parties and that he wants me to go too, but I don’t want to and that’s an issue for him. The fact I like staying in and a quiet life is a deal breaker for him. Even though I’m not stopping him going out he wants a partner in crime. He didn’t talk about it and has refused offer of counselling.

then, after a bit of pushing I also find out that at the festival he got off with one of the women in the group (he was microdosing on pills all weekend so was obviously on a certain frame of mind).

he of course denies that this is the reason for wanting to get out of our marriage now, and says that his behaviour is symptomatic of our bad relationship. I was perfectly prepared to wait until the kids were older to have this conversation and continue working hard and saving so we had some choices at 55 whether we stayed together or not. But no, he wants a social life and that’s that and he wants it now.

my question is, do you think that party girl is just a little bit culpable in this ending through pushing anti family behaviour over the years?

my view has always been that family life and ‘doing the right thing’ is hard enough so the last thing a couple needs is to have pressure and temptation laid at their door of someone saying to get your glad rags on dance the night away in hot pants and a bra. when you’re tired, when you’re skint and when you just want an early night this was very annoying and unsettling. And this has been consistent pressure, to join her way of life and live for the moment like that’s the answer to all your problems.

and now see what’s happened. Like the devil has been whispering in our ears and H being very easily led has finally given in and now our family is broken up.

we were fragile, yes, but not a lost cause and we had our priorities right. we got on, highly functioning in fact, now he wants to pack it in just as we were getting somewhere so he can kick up his heals and find a fun partner who likes to party. perhaps if our friends had been a bit more supportive then this would not have happened. I don’t know what do you think, has party girl chipped away over the years and contributed to our family’s early demise? I need to know because she’s supposed to be a good friend and I know she’ll be around to give hugs when the cat is out of the bag. I feel like at the moment she has been part of the problem as she bought unsustainable, unhealthy and anti-family lifestyle to our door that H has now let himself get sucked into. I know he is to blame of course and maybe me too, but I think our friends led by party girl have been a bad influence.

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ellesbellesxxx · 10/09/2023 08:29

I am so sorry to hear this. That sounds very hard.
Gently though, it’s not party girls fault. Your husband chose to go, chose to take drugs and everything else… that’s on him.
take care xx

TheProvincialLady · 10/09/2023 08:33

Your focus is on entirely the wrong person. If you choose to have a friend who pressures people to go to parties and takes drugs that’s on you. You could just choose not to have her in your life. If your husband chooses to go to parties, take drugs and get off with other women - that’s on him. Party woman has absolutely no responsibility here.

BatshitCrazyWoman · 10/09/2023 08:34

I'm sorry this is happening to you. I agree with PPs that this (tedious-sounding) woman is not to blame.

tescocreditcard · 10/09/2023 08:34

No it's not her fault that your husband chose to put his penis in another womans vagina, of course not.. How could you even think of blaming her?

To be honest the whole set up sounds utterly exhausting. Let your 50 something husband go off with someone else and she can have the pleasure of looking after him in his old age while you do your own thing, free from domestic responsibilities. I'd be fucking waving him off.

Ragwort · 10/09/2023 08:35

Totally agree with elles, you are looking to 'blame' someone for your DH's poor behaviour ... perhaps because it's easier than accepting that he's being a shit. Your DH chose to want to be a 'party animal', have sex with another woman & take drugs etc.
Keep your dignity, don't for looking for reasons or 'excuses'. (And absolutely don't blame yourself).
I know it's very hard, I was once in a vaguely similar situation, told I was 'dull and boring' and 'no fun anymore'.

WimpoleHat · 10/09/2023 08:35

Oh gosh - this sounds hard. But I do agree with @ellesbellesxxx above - this is squarely on your DH. Even if she has been “whispering in his ear”, then he didn’t have to listen! He’s not a child, but a grown man. Honestly - give him a couple of months and I suspect the novelty will
wear off and the reality will sink in - and then you’ll have a different set of decisions to deal with. But save your anger for him.

ChristmasCrumpet · 10/09/2023 08:36

It's nothing to do with party girl. No is responsible for your husband's actions, other than your husband. She didn't hold him to ransom. He made his own choices.

AuntieEsther · 10/09/2023 08:36

Of course it's not her fault.
he's having a bit of a mid life crisis and cheated on you. That's entirely his choice and doing.
Personally I don't really understand these big friendship group dynamics that Persist into your 50s but you could have distanced yourselves from her years ago rather than continuing to hang out with her whilst judging and disliking her on the sly.

whyisitallsohard · 10/09/2023 08:39

You're 50 and you think it’s another woman’s fault that your husband Did drugs?

WunWun · 10/09/2023 08:39

It's absolutely nothing to do with her at all

Almondmum · 10/09/2023 08:41

Nope. Absolutely nothing to do with her. You are all in your 50s. Way past the age of being led by other people.

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LittleMonks11 · 10/09/2023 08:43

Rather than looking for people to blame - her, him, yourself - I would start focusing on what you want your future to look like. I'd let him go. Mid life crisis sounds like. He may come crawling back when he realised he can't sustain living like a 30 year old at 50+ but you may well be in a happier play by then - free to 'do you' without worrying what party girl and the gang is doing. Find new friends who are in the same place as you.

Strugglingtodomybest · 10/09/2023 08:44

She is in no way responsible for your DH's behaviour, only he is.

he of course denies that this is the reason for wanting to get out of our marriage now, and says that his behaviour is symptomatic of our bad relationship.

Did you think you had a bad relationship? It sounds like a mid life crisis to me.

Cherry2010 · 10/09/2023 08:45

Your DH is having a midlife crisis and being a tool. This party girl mate of yours sounds hell on wheels, but is definitely his own choice to follow the path of living like a dickhead. You deserve better.

Hopinghonestly · 10/09/2023 08:47

Hes being horrid! Tbf i think its a crisis thing..after a few more partiy nights waking up alone or with a meaningless fling, holding his head in his hands feeling rough he will regret throwing away his stability and loyalty.

Lets be honest partying isnt a sustainable lifestyle.

Also im in my 30's and i cant have more then one drink without feeling horrendous haha youve lasted longer then me.

Damnthemall · 10/09/2023 08:47

No, I’ll not blaming her. I’m suggesting she is a little bit culpable. But I knew when I posted this that I was being ridiculous as you are all of course right.

there is still a teeny bit of me that thinks friends have a responsibility to take care of each other though. I didn’t choose her friendship, I married into it. And there she’s been forcing her will on ppl uninvited. I should have told her ardently to leave me and my family alone. But, i acknowledge she’s isn’t responsible.

i guess I’m worried about how to respond when she comes over to give big hugs. After everything I think I can just tell her how annoying she is can’t I? I also want to tell her that I think her priorities are all wrong and that her lifestyle choices suck. Is that fair?

@tescocreditcard loved your message made me laugh out loud. Once i’ve sorted out my head and analysed the situ a bit more, that will be my likely attitude.

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Damnthemall · 10/09/2023 08:49

I love MN. Thank you ladies you are all brill for helping. Pls keep the feedback coming. I need to get this straight.

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Reugny · 10/09/2023 08:50

i guess I’m worried about how to respond when she comes over to give big hugs.

What's stopping you choosing not to socialise when you know she is going to be around?

Damnthemall · 10/09/2023 08:51

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You are correct! I know though that they/we are weirdos. I hate this social group. They are superficial pricks but I’ve called time. However, it’s hard to know if it’s ‘them or ‘me’ when the majority is against you.

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Shutuptrevor · 10/09/2023 08:53

People change, life moves on. If your husband was as happy as you thought he was, you wouldn’t be here now- but HE should have talked to YOU about that. She is irrelevant to your situation.

To be honest, she sounds like the happiest out of the lot of you. Maybe you’re jealous, not of her specific choices but of her courage to live her life the way she wants it.

Fortboyard · 10/09/2023 08:53

I can totally understand your point of view, it’s not her “fault” of course, but you’re right she has promoted a party lifestyle that is not compatible with the family orientated one you and your dh had created. If it wasn’t for her, it’s much less likely that your dh would have been exposed to it as an option.
I think it’s a pretty common experience, in the past me and dh had a group of friends that partied very hard (even when the kids were young. We had to distance ourselves because although there were some fun times there was way too much drama and as it wasn’t good for our own health and well-being. Sometimes one partner wants something different and that’s a deal breaker. I’m not suggesting you should compromise further at all, you said it was ok for him to go partying within your relationship but that’s not enough for him. It sounds pretty sad that he wants to chuck it all in for cheap thrills but so many people have done so before. Look forward now and start to build a new life for yourself.

Alleycatz · 10/09/2023 08:53

No I don’t think the other woman has any responsibility here. I think you are projecting your issues with your DH onto her. You and your DH sound like you have outgrown one another and what you want and what he wants are now incompatibly different. That is so unbelievably hard to come to terms with after all you have experienced together and so you are looking for other things/people to blame.

yogasaurus · 10/09/2023 08:54

It’s nothing to do with the party girl. Don’t be that woman, blaming other women.

Damnthemall · 10/09/2023 08:55

Reugny · 10/09/2023 08:50

i guess I’m worried about how to respond when she comes over to give big hugs.

What's stopping you choosing not to socialise when you know she is going to be around?

She is always around. And she pushes for a one to one bestie type relationship.

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