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DH’s brutal take on self love

334 replies

SpectacularSalt · 31/08/2023 13:49

Looking for suggestions on how to deal with a big issue that’s affecting my marriage. It’s been like this for about a year or so and things aren’t changing. I’m at a loss at what to do it say.
DH has had a kind of ‘moment’ in his head when he turned 50 whereby he has decided he’s put up with negative people who criticise him for too long. He decided that he has the right to just not take ‘their shit anymore’. And that was it. He changed. This change has been demonstrated in his behaviour towards all manner of things, but has caused the most difficulty for me in that he refuses to:

  • compromise with me on anything as that involves a degree of personal sacrifice/negativity for himself. The most tricky one in this for me was an online friendship he started with a single woman. When their public messaging on social media began to include calling each other gorgeous and sending heart emojis, I really began to worry what they were sending each other privately. He wasn’t willing to compromise on this friendship as talking to her made him happy and I was out of order and putting myself first for asking him to stop messaging her (since it was upsetting me).
  • speak to any of my family. He’s cut them out as they make him unhappy. He can’t see that this makes life very difficult for me and is annoyed that I question his right not to see them/socialise with them etc
  • For a period he refused to speak to him own mum as their political views are not aligned. He’s softened on this as she’s now terminally ill.
  • Doesn’t like me talking about our relationship problems with anyone, not even my best friend of 30 years.

He also spends lots of time online, with lots of different profiles, arguing with strangers to make sure his view on the world is heard.

When I try to talk to him about the impact of all of this on me he says I’m not supporting him to stand up for himself and that I should be backing him. He’s also refused to see any of our friends who he thinks I’ve talked to about his behaviour as he thinks I’ve lied to them about his mindset and painted myself as a victim.
So for the past year or so I’ve gone to all friends and family meet ups with the kids, but alone. But this just makes him more pissed off with me. I don’t know what I’m supposed to do here. He says that he’s not putting up with anyone if it doesn’t make him happy, but it seems like the reverse is happening. He’s getting more and more unhappy and can’t understand why I’m not celebrating this life change he’s made. Is he just working up to telling me that I’m the cause of his unhappiness?
He works shifts and only gets the occasional weekend off, so often we are on different time tables. This makes it very difficult to talk. Plus we have 3 kids in the mix too.
What do I do? How can I see things from his perspective?

OP posts:
QueenBitch666 · 31/08/2023 14:29

What a wanker! I'd dump his sorry arse

Aquamarine1029 · 31/08/2023 14:31

My guess is that he's always been a bit of an arsehole. He's just decided to remove any and all filter he ever had.

My assumption would be that he wants you to end the marriage. He can't possibly think his behaviour will entice you to stay, unless he's a massive idiot as well. Grant his wish and bin him. You can't live the rest of your life like this.

Rosehiptea · 31/08/2023 14:37

He clearly doesn't understand the meaning of marriage

Nelly10 · 31/08/2023 14:39

In the bin.

why are you taking this shit?

you deserve so much more !

TaigaSno · 31/08/2023 14:40

He's checked out of your marriage and is starting a relationship with someone else. It may only be online, but still.
Marriage is all about compromise. If he can't do that anymore, it's over.

Bluetrews25 · 31/08/2023 14:41

I agree with PPs in that it sounds very much like he's trying to push you into kicking him out. So he will be the injured party.
This sounds like death by a thousand cuts inflicted by a Victor-Meldrew-a-like on steroids with a good helping of conspiracy-theorist-thicko thrown in.

Well, if it's what he wants......

Just remember, you have choices too, OP.Flowers

Toonali8 · 31/08/2023 14:41

Sounds like he is having a midlife crisis. He is windmilling, arguing everyone around him are awful selfish morons, when in actual fact it’s him.

Show him this thread.

billy1966 · 31/08/2023 14:41

Why are you tolerating this bullshit?

Your poor children having this grumpy loser in the home.

Get yourself some counselling and tell him you are done.

He is emotionally abusing his entire family.

Forget about him and start putting your children first by getting organised to divorce him.

Selfish loser.

fruitstick · 31/08/2023 14:42

This sounds like Jonah Hill (?) telling his girlfriend about respecting his 'boundaries' by giving her a list of things she wasn't allowed to do.

Self care, self-love boundaries etc are all well and good but they also can be toxic excuses for being a selfish arse.

We all have to have negative aspects of having other people in our lives. We just have to decide whether those negative aspects are worth it.

Can you leave for a bit and see if he thinks they are? I realise this is easier said than done, but can you go and stay with your parents/sister.

How old are your children?

Pallisers · 31/08/2023 14:44

This will get worse not better. At the very least he is having an emotional affair.

I'd look him in the eye and say "I think you are so right. Your new philosophy is brilliant. Like you I am not going to put up with anyone who makes me unhappy. You make me very unhappy. I think we should split"

balzamico · 31/08/2023 14:45

"Sounds like he has got confused between what it means to be assertive and live authentically and just being a moody, controlling selfish arse."

This ⬆️

AmazingSnakeHead · 31/08/2023 14:46

But why doesn't his reasoning also apply to you? Why can't you say, "DH, not being able to talk about my relationship problems with my friend of 30 years is making me unhappy, so I'm not taking that shit, I'm talking to her." And the same for everything you want to do: I'm not taking that shit, I'm seeing our friends. I'm not taking that shit, I want to be with my whole family at gatherings. I'm not taking that shit, I want to discuss our relationship so that you and I are a better couple. And so on.

He sounds like a self obsessed teenager. When you are in a real partnership then you exactly don't just think only about yourself and what you want.

OhComeOnFFS · 31/08/2023 14:50

Where you are going wrong is in trying to understand him. It doesn't matter why he's doing anything. Look at what he IS doing.

He's carrying on with another woman.

He doesn't speak to any of your family. Assuming your family is pretty normal, then that is incredibly hurtful and it separates you from him rather than keeping you both together as a family.

He spends all his spare time arguing with strangers. Well, we get that sort of twat on here, don't we? MNHQ blocks them.

He doesn't like you discussing your relationship with anyone. Of course he doesn't! He wants you firmly under his foot. God forbid someone should say "You know that's not normal, don't you?"

He, on the other hand, discusses whatever he wants with whomever he wants.

He sounds really awful. What would happen if you split up, do you think? Could you afford it, financially?

Opentooffers · 31/08/2023 14:52

How old are your DC? I'd say for your sanity it's time to disengage from him. The why is not important, what he does is. So take a leaf and carve out your own life. Are your DC old enough to look after themselves while you go out, or do you have to rely on him being willing to look after them?
Go out with friends as often as you like, take up a hobby for yourself or exercise out of the home regularly. You can disengage and find yourself and ignore him, letting him do what he likes, but he can't stop you either.
It's just taking small steps towards your own independence, because he no longer has your back. If he doesn't like it, he can lump it, as non of that is doing anything wrong.
Down the line, you might like to stop doing any household chores you may be doing on his behalf - because, that doesn't bring you happiness, so by his rules, why should you bother? - he can cook and clean for himself.
What are your home circumstances like, do you work? You don't have to split the family yet, just show him you don't need or rely on him for now.

RandomForest · 31/08/2023 14:53

He's checked out, lets hope he never wants to check back in because what he's doing to you now will have done irreparable damage.

I'm really sorry this is happening.

Lentilweaver · 31/08/2023 14:53

Oh my good lord. I never say LTB but my god, you need to put a stop to this.

AdoraBell · 31/08/2023 14:54

Tell him you are standing up for yourself, not having contact with people who make you unhappy and people who don’t support you, people who are negative about you- and he is the person who is making you unhappy, being negative and not supporting you.

Lentilweaver · 31/08/2023 14:55

Don't do anything for him. Because it doesn't make you happy.

Soakitup37 · 31/08/2023 14:58

QueenBitch666 · 31/08/2023 14:29

What a wanker! I'd dump his sorry arse

Took the words right out of my mouth! I would not entertain this on any level.

tell him you’re fine with his life choices and yours are divorce.

CalistoNoSolo · 31/08/2023 14:58

I always thought self love is another term for maturation tbh. But that aside, your husband sounds utterly vile and I have no idea why you are pandering to his bullshit.

SpectacularSalt · 31/08/2023 14:59

just to confirm- we split the housework down the middle. He does all the cooking, ironing, gardening, sewing, fixing etc. I do shopping and washing. We have a cleaner. We try to share the ‘emotional toil’ stuff for kids (school liaison, birthdays, medical appointments, haircuts etc) but it very much depends on his shift pattern.
We both work. Kids in secondary school.

OP posts:
CliantheLang · 31/08/2023 15:00

Tbh I read your post with a vision of yawning and telling him to fuck right off with his boring 'me me me', and that he could continue with whatever his stance on life is, but I'm not interested.

And if you feel you're not ready to LTB:

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/grey-rock

Grey rock method: What it is and how to use it effectively

The grey rock method involves becoming unresponsive to abusive or manipulative behavior so that the perpetrator will lose interest.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/grey-rock

Proudofeveryone · 31/08/2023 15:00

I read a lot of crap on mumsnet but this takes the biscuit.
Where is your self pride. Why haven't you chucked him out.
He has no respect for you, your children and family.
You are an adult, show your children that you deserve respect and
so do they.

Soakitup37 · 31/08/2023 15:02

SpectacularSalt · 31/08/2023 14:59

just to confirm- we split the housework down the middle. He does all the cooking, ironing, gardening, sewing, fixing etc. I do shopping and washing. We have a cleaner. We try to share the ‘emotional toil’ stuff for kids (school liaison, birthdays, medical appointments, haircuts etc) but it very much depends on his shift pattern.
We both work. Kids in secondary school.

Perfect then you both know how to balance logical stuff when he’s gone.

seriously op. Stand up for yourself and if he pushes back with a fight every time that’s when you push harder and say well if you can’t compromise there’s nothing here for us.

fruitstick · 31/08/2023 15:03

As your children are teenagers (and even if they're not), you have to really consider what this is teaching them about how to treat people and what they can expect from others.

Breaking up the family will be better for them in the long run than teaching them this is an acceptable way to live.

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