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Dating is awful

221 replies

Corastiredmummy · 21/07/2023 22:02

Just wondered how many other women in their late 30s absolutely despise dating in this era?
It seems most men just want you to either send them naked pictures or go on a first 'date' at their house. That is not date. That is a scene from a movie where the woman doesn't return home.
Guys on dating apps are total time wasters, or you meet them and they don't look like their pictures (and you've made an effort with hair washing/doing your makeup).
I'm 38, I look after myself very well, I'm successful....but sadly I live in Hull and it seems most of the men here are not at all what I'm after. I'm so over it :(

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pendleflyer · 22/07/2023 11:26

arethereanyleftatall · 22/07/2023 11:08

Thing is op, some women really like sex. And that's why they have sex with men they don't know. Because they enjoy it.

quite - the "sex with a stranger" thing is pretty common - either as a fantasy or acted out - with precautions.
I have a certain experience of it - I wouldn't dream of "slagging off" the women.
my limited experience of OLD is also pretty poor - plenty of odd/problematical women out there on it as well (and I obviously don't mean the nice interesting women willing to share in a bit of innocent fun)

Corastiredmummy · 22/07/2023 11:28

arethereanyleftatall · 22/07/2023 11:08

Thing is op, some women really like sex. And that's why they have sex with men they don't know. Because they enjoy it.

And I haven't once said there is a damn thing wrong with that, have I? I'll say it again, for the last time - I am sick of the attitude of men and their expectation that all women will send them filth or go to their house for a shag, just because a select few will do so.

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DrSbaitso · 22/07/2023 11:28

Corastiredmummy · 22/07/2023 11:20

@sammylady37 I have not once on this thread 'blamed' women for the behaviour of men. You, being argumentative, have completely twisted what I have said to make it sound like I judge women for having sex. I DO NOT. My point was that men on dating apps expect EVERY women to behave like this. And forming a connection with someone is damn near impossible because they've come to expect women to send them pictures or talk filth to them. And I will not do that, because I have the good sense to know that those conversations and images could be used anywhere, anytime. Additionally, I do not need the validation of a man telling me that my 'pic got him hard' or some other bollocks he like spews to all the other women who are silly enough to send pictures (that could easily end up online for millions of others to see too).
The term 'loose' was being used to example the mindset of people who will meet and fuck a person they know absolutely nothing about. Not to describe anything physical, which would indeed be somewhat crass. I will not apologise for using this term, nor do I take it back.
You talk about me judging people (which I HAVE NOT done) and not accepting other people's lifestyle choices but YOU are the one making a judgement about me. Twisting everything I write to make it sound like I'm some kind of nun perched up high calling anyone who has sex a slut. Which again, I AM NOT. It seems like you just want an argument, so go on ahead and send another essay, I know you're just dying to respond because it is YOU who cannot abide another's point of view. YOU who is judging and trying to twist what I am saying. YOU who has chosen to take one small aspect of the post and try and blow it up to fill your time and manipulate the meaning behind it to make me out to be a bad person.
I'll repeat it for you: I AM NOT BLAMING WOMEN FOR THE BEHAVIOUR OF MEN AND I DO NOT JUDGE WOMEN FOR HAVING ONE NIGHT STANDS BUT I DO JUDGE MEN FOR BEHAVING LIKE FUCKING ANIMALS. I hope that was loud enough.

OP, why not try "In light of what people have been saying, I've reconsidered and I retract my earlier statements"?

Quite apart from being more honest - we can all see the previous posts you're now furiously trying to rewrite - it'll just be so much quicker.

arethereanyleftatall · 22/07/2023 11:28

Corastiredmummy · 22/07/2023 08:28

@sammylady37 have you got any daughters? And if you do, if they told you they'd met a guy online and were going to his house, would you or would you not question, dare I say JUDGE her lifestyle choices? Yes, you would. So sick of virtue signalling bullshit.
There was a time when only escorts or prostitutes did this, nowadays guys just expect it.

Um. I might be wrong op, but I think it might have been when you said that you judge women for this, that made responders think, you judge women for this. But no, YOU HAVE NOT judged. Absolutely not.

TorviShieldMaiden · 22/07/2023 11:28

OP, I’m disabled and claim PIP and I work full time. Disability benefits are “in work” benefits. You are allowed to work and in fact are encouraged too.

I d my daughter went to someone’s house do sec, I’d worry about her safety but I would judge her for wanting no strings sex.

you sound awful, I think it’s you

PoliticallyIncorrectHitchling · 22/07/2023 11:29
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Wait till you are in your late 40s......

sammylady37 · 22/07/2023 11:31

@Corastiredmummy no need to shout, dear. Surely you can get your point across without that, particularly as you claim to write for a living.

You can’t suddenly say you haven’t judged women for having sex when you’ve previously referred to them as ‘as loose as a broken hair tie’ and said the following: ^have you got any daughters? And if you do, if they told you they'd met a guy online and were going to his house, would you or would you not question, dare I say JUDGE her lifestyle choices? Yes, you would. So sick of virtue signalling bullshit.
There was a time when only escorts or prostitutes did this, nowadays guys just expect it^. Did you forget that little bit of venom you spewed?

Oh and btw, I don’t think anyone is stupid enough to think ‘loose’ in this context means solely a physical attribute, it’s clearly intended to be a judgement on someone else’s morals, so I’m not quite sure why you make impassioned defences about how it wasn’t intended to describe anyone’s physical attributes. It’s an old, misogynistic, slur. At least own it if you’re going to use it.

sammylady37 · 22/07/2023 11:33

arethereanyleftatall · 22/07/2023 11:28

Um. I might be wrong op, but I think it might have been when you said that you judge women for this, that made responders think, you judge women for this. But no, YOU HAVE NOT judged. Absolutely not.

SHE DID NOT JUDGE!!!!!!!!

arethereanyleftatall · 22/07/2023 11:34

@sammylady37 😂

fancifulmanciful · 22/07/2023 11:34

"Successful" is totally subjective but if you mean you are high up in a job and not poor why not join one of those sites specifically for people like that?

I'm relatively poor so can't but would if I could. Tinder and Bumble have made me asexual.

ilyana · 22/07/2023 11:36

Corastiredmummy · 22/07/2023 10:41

I love this and I think you're right. I'm going to delete them and never return. They aren't good for you and they waste time that could be so much better spent.
It's positive to see that there are many other women like me who'd like to meet someone decent and we haven't completely turned into a society where people just jump from bed to bed. I've had one night stands and I hate them. The only person who gets anything from them is the man (I saw one other reply taking about the orgasm gap and it's very true).
I worked on building sites in my 20s and when I look back I am utterly disgusted by the behaviour I witnessed. Even the unassuming 'happily married' ones would try it on during work nights out.
Maybe I should date women....or just be celibate 🙈

Yep, what truly made me lose faith in men was the number of taken ones who hit on me. I was out for drinks with colleagues a while back, and a man I had previously respected and thought was decent started unloading shit about his relationship on me, blubbering that he wasn't happy, and tried to kiss me. I was so upset that this man who had been pretending to be my friend was actually just waiting for a chance to monkey branch to me, or at least have a fling, while his partner was going through IVF. Needless to say, I told him to fuck off.

A lot of women tell themselves their partner wouldn't do this, but they're deluded, IMO. They do. This man's partner thinks he's a lovely guy, devoted and loyal, and so does everyone else. He's a piece of shit like most of them and just hides it better. Who could be bothered with this shit? Is it worth it?

Being single is frustratingly expensive. It's tiresome always having to pay single supplements and pay the mortgage alone and not ever have a default person to go to for emotional support or a spontaneous dinner out or a cosy Netflix evening, but is it worth it? Is it worth the constant worrying they'll cheat, the catering to their whims and moods? Begging them to do their share of the chores? Holidays being ruined because of silly arguments? Yes, I'm lonely, but I have peace of mind. I book holidays knowing I can do exactly what I feel like doing. I can go exactly where I want to go. I go to bed every night not worrying about snoring keeping me awake, or someone coming in at 3am after a night out 'with the lads' stinking of fags and booze. My flat is the way I like it, painted girly colours, neat and tidy, nobody messing it up or leaving socks on the floor. It feels like I actually have control over my life now. I'm not at the mercy of someone else's moods and behaviours at all times.

I was always scared of being single because I didn't want to be alone and in poverty but it turns out that once I stopped wasting my time on men, I had way more time to spend on levelling up. I retrained, got a job paying twice as much, and bought a flat on my own, something I never thought I'd manage. The household finances aren't being pissed away on mediocre pub dinners and drinks all the time, so I actually have money for 'big' things like holidays and little things that improve my quality of life (Nespresso machine, loads of plants, gym membership). I hadn't realised how much I was compromising, the extent to which I wasn't living the life I actually wanted, until I stepped out of dating and focused on myself. Dating feels like spending all your time and money in Vegas, hoping to hit the jackpot but ending up with nothing, or very little.

sammylady37 · 22/07/2023 11:40

Oh btw op, you state that you ‘have not once on this thread blamed women for the behaviour of men’, which would be great if it were true. But it’s not. Because you said this:

Men are vile pigs. Not all of them, no, but the good looking ones are mostly despicable ass hats. Because they can get what they want easily with loose women who will agree to rock up to their houses

Take out the judgements, and yes they are judgements despite your fierce denials, and you’re left with “men are X because women Y”.

At least be honest enough to own what you’ve said and admit it.

Corastiredmummy · 22/07/2023 11:42

sammylady37 · 22/07/2023 11:31

@Corastiredmummy no need to shout, dear. Surely you can get your point across without that, particularly as you claim to write for a living.

You can’t suddenly say you haven’t judged women for having sex when you’ve previously referred to them as ‘as loose as a broken hair tie’ and said the following: ^have you got any daughters? And if you do, if they told you they'd met a guy online and were going to his house, would you or would you not question, dare I say JUDGE her lifestyle choices? Yes, you would. So sick of virtue signalling bullshit.
There was a time when only escorts or prostitutes did this, nowadays guys just expect it^. Did you forget that little bit of venom you spewed?

Oh and btw, I don’t think anyone is stupid enough to think ‘loose’ in this context means solely a physical attribute, it’s clearly intended to be a judgement on someone else’s morals, so I’m not quite sure why you make impassioned defences about how it wasn’t intended to describe anyone’s physical attributes. It’s an old, misogynistic, slur. At least own it if you’re going to use it.

You're right, I do judge women who would go to someone's house they've never met. I think they must be stupid beyond comprehension. What I'm not judging is people having casual sex. But there's a difference between meeting someone first, out in public and then bringing them home and just turning up at someone's door. I judge that because I think it's stupid and dangerous. Oh and I'LL TYPE HOWEVER I LIKE, sweetheart 😘

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DrSbaitso · 22/07/2023 11:46

You're right, I do judge women who would go to someone's house they've never met.

Yes, we know.

It's an offensive, ignorant, misogynistic statement. Be prepared to have people say so. When you deny it and then restate it, be prepared for them to notice.

Incidentally, what do you write?

Corastiredmummy · 22/07/2023 11:47

sammylady37 · 22/07/2023 11:40

Oh btw op, you state that you ‘have not once on this thread blamed women for the behaviour of men’, which would be great if it were true. But it’s not. Because you said this:

Men are vile pigs. Not all of them, no, but the good looking ones are mostly despicable ass hats. Because they can get what they want easily with loose women who will agree to rock up to their houses

Take out the judgements, and yes they are judgements despite your fierce denials, and you’re left with “men are X because women Y”.

At least be honest enough to own what you’ve said and admit it.

You know what, you've actually got me there. I can't deny that that particular comment is blaming women for how men behave. So yeah I actually take that back - you're right and I'll hold my hands up 🤷🏼‍♀️

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Corastiredmummy · 22/07/2023 11:50

DrSbaitso · 22/07/2023 11:46

You're right, I do judge women who would go to someone's house they've never met.

Yes, we know.

It's an offensive, ignorant, misogynistic statement. Be prepared to have people say so. When you deny it and then restate it, be prepared for them to notice.

Incidentally, what do you write?

I have many clients I write for. Mostly blogs and website content. Ironically one of them specialises in sex toys, so I write a lot about sex and pleasure (even though I seem to have come across as a total prude on here!)

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Corastiredmummy · 22/07/2023 11:53

fancifulmanciful · 22/07/2023 11:34

"Successful" is totally subjective but if you mean you are high up in a job and not poor why not join one of those sites specifically for people like that?

I'm relatively poor so can't but would if I could. Tinder and Bumble have made me asexual.

Yeah I mean I'm successful but more so from the place of owning my own home, being financially independent, dept free and having a decent job that I really like. I'm definitely not rich 😆

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arethereanyleftatall · 22/07/2023 11:55

I love your posts @ilyana
You should write a book!

Hurtingnowq · 22/07/2023 12:37

Reading this thread with interest and you have my complete and utter sympathy OP.

I’m in the same boat. I’m only dating because I wanted a partner and family.

it’s horrible.

Corastiredmummy · 22/07/2023 13:00

Hurtingnowq · 22/07/2023 12:37

Reading this thread with interest and you have my complete and utter sympathy OP.

I’m in the same boat. I’m only dating because I wanted a partner and family.

it’s horrible.

I'm so sorry. It's really hard for women who are yet to have children (I know a few and it's such a sore subject for them) I'm not in the same boat as you but I feel you and I hope you get your happy ending, in whatever format that comes in ♥️

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Misspinkdiditinthelibrary · 22/07/2023 13:02

@ilyana I think Gods honest truth is that most men are just awful. They don't really see women as people, but more like objects or possessions.

This is sooo true.

I wonder where they learn this attitude?

Have women failed as mothers?

Is it peer pressure?

Or is it the pornified society that we live in?

Answers on a postcard, please 🤔

Corastiredmummy · 22/07/2023 13:07

Misspinkdiditinthelibrary · 22/07/2023 13:02

@ilyana I think Gods honest truth is that most men are just awful. They don't really see women as people, but more like objects or possessions.

This is sooo true.

I wonder where they learn this attitude?

Have women failed as mothers?

Is it peer pressure?

Or is it the pornified society that we live in?

Answers on a postcard, please 🤔

Even though most of my comments are pretty man hating I have to chime in and say I know from the men in my family and my daughters dad that they really aren't all awful cretins 😆 But in my experience, the gorgeous ones behave similarly...because they know it'll never stop them getting what they want. It's just a matter of 'on to the next one'. So what do you do, date someone who looks like a melted candle? I just don't know 😆

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DrSbaitso · 22/07/2023 13:44

Misspinkdiditinthelibrary · 22/07/2023 13:02

@ilyana I think Gods honest truth is that most men are just awful. They don't really see women as people, but more like objects or possessions.

This is sooo true.

I wonder where they learn this attitude?

Have women failed as mothers?

Is it peer pressure?

Or is it the pornified society that we live in?

Answers on a postcard, please 🤔

Have women failed as mothers?

Fuck's sake. This thread has it all. Is there any male shittiness that isn't women's fault?

TokyoStories · 22/07/2023 13:50

I’ve had (more than?) my fair share of horrible men in the relationship department, but none of those was from OLD. I think I’ve been quite lucky with my sporadic online dating over the years. I’ve never had a dick pick, or even any smuttiness really. Nor has anyone ever asked me to their house for a first date. I’ve been on a lot of dates and there was only a couple where I felt uncomfortable, one when I was 20 and had no boundaries, and another when I was 28. Everyone else I’ve chatted to/met has been polite and respectful. I’m extremely selective about who I swipe/respond to though. The slightest hint of a player or a man who fancies himself goes straight in the rejection pile.

guineacup · 22/07/2023 13:53

Men are vile pigs. Not all of them, no, but the good looking ones are mostly despicable ass hats. Because they can get what they want easily with loose women who will agree to rock up to their houses

You seriously think these men would become great guys if only they weren't able to score easily with some women?

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