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Husband wants to try anal

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Somethingdiferent · 02/07/2023 22:58

I had a baby 6 months ago and I'm too uncomfortable with the idea of penetrative sex after a really traumatic birth and a 3rd, almost 4th degree tear - husband thinks a solution to our lack of intimacy is to try anal. Now I'm not necessarily against the idea, but we've been married for 11 years and this has never featured in our bedroom before. I am considering trying it but I'm terrified it will hurt like hell.. he assures me that it will be fine and that he knows what to do ect. My concern is that WHY is this only being mentioned NOW? In the 17 years we've been together (we got together very young) and our 11 years of marriage, he has never once suggested we try this, nor has he even dropped hints?

So I'm wondering if I'm just being insecure and overthinking this (YABU), or has he been wanting to try this for a long time and just used this as an opportunity to suggest it(YANBU)??

Also any advice on if you have tried this after having a traumatic birth etc please let me know if this helped your intimacy?

OP posts:
eastegg · 03/07/2023 14:50

Mrphillasfoggex · 03/07/2023 13:24

Why conflate those points then. The thread began quite narrow, then broadening to include sex acts specifically anal influenced via porn.

It's clear to me that some on this thread object to anal sex under any circumstances.
There's also an implication that modern society somehow invented sex acts outside of missionary.
History categorically proves that not to be true.

Why conflate those points then

Conflate what points? Anal and porn? I haven’t seen anyone conflate them. Link them yes, not conflate. But I’m not here to do your reading comprehension for you. If you read what people have actually said you’ll find out.

You said specifically ‘anal sex was not started by porn’. My point was that no-one has said that or is likely to think it.

What’s your problem with porn and anal being in the same sentence? You clearly have an issue with it. On a mission to clean up anal’s image are you? Fine. Knock yourself out. But stop arguing against something no-one has said.

MeowOnceForOffended · 03/07/2023 14:57

Mrphillasfoggex · 03/07/2023 14:05

Can you please point out where I'm explicitly suggesting the op should try anal sex at the behest of her husband.
I'm not!
Some women like anal sex, in fact some women like sex. Omg what a revelation.

Nice strawman. I know it feels good to imply everyone else is a prude but as I said your coolgirl pro anal nonsense needs its own thread.

You can argue how fecal incontinence is the new black to your heart's content on that can't you.
Op made their boundary clear. Respect it.

guineacup · 03/07/2023 14:58

Thinking you can shut down anyone disagreeing with you by simply claiming it equates to being "controlling" is just ridiculous.

guineacup · 03/07/2023 14:59

@Lachimolala

Judging and criticising others simply because you don’t agree is very controlling. No one’s looking for your agreement. Move it along buddy.

That was a response to your "move along buddy" post.

Lachimolala · 03/07/2023 15:08

guineacup · 03/07/2023 14:59

@Lachimolala

Judging and criticising others simply because you don’t agree is very controlling. No one’s looking for your agreement. Move it along buddy.

That was a response to your "move along buddy" post.

Mmhmm sure it was.

Mrphillasfoggex · 03/07/2023 15:14

MeowOnceForOffended · 03/07/2023 14:57

Nice strawman. I know it feels good to imply everyone else is a prude but as I said your coolgirl pro anal nonsense needs its own thread.

You can argue how fecal incontinence is the new black to your heart's content on that can't you.
Op made their boundary clear. Respect it.

I'm not talking to the op.
I'm talking to those who broadened the thread.
I'm suggesting anal sex has been practised by humans long before orthodox Christian taboo and long before porn marketing.
Those are irrefutable facts.
The problems associated with anal sex DO NOT affect all those who have a preference for anal sex. They are a risk factor.

PurpleButterflyWings · 03/07/2023 15:22

It most definitely is PORN (especially easy access to it off the internet for the last 20 years or so,) that is the driving force with men wanting anal sex a lot more - (more than they want PIV sex sometimes!) And many men EXPECT it now, and expect to just shove their penis up a woman's arse, with no preparation or anything, because this is what they see in porn films!

Very interesting article here, that is very telling!

Real Anal Sex is Very Different Than How It’s Shown in Porn (fightthenewdrug.org)

I know a number of single, divorced, and widowed women in their 30s, 40's, and 50s, who've tried dating (mostly online dating.) Every single one of them (well over a dozen,) have said almost every man they've met, wants to try anal sex in the first 2-4 times of having sex with them.

I was born in the late 1960s and dated about eight men before meeting my husband in my early to mid 20s .. (I also had about half a dozen one night stands in between these men I dated.) Not one single one of these men even suggested anal sex or even mentioned it, and definitely didn't try to do it. Basically, it was not even a thing. Not on anyone's radar. (This was mid to late 1980s.) My DH never mentioned it or tried it either. .. EVER. Had a conversation with MIL once and she said when SHE was a young woman (late 1950s) it was unheard of. No man ever tried it then either, and she was in her 40s before she had even heard of of it (it late 1970s by then.)

I don't give a shit if anal sex has been a thing since prehistoric times, there's no way it was expected so much from men, til the past 20 years or so... Most men try it on and expect it these days. It's only been an expectation from women this century really. And don't even suggest for a SECOND that it's not porn driving it, because it is.

Many young women are made to feel foolish, boring, unadventurous, dull, vanilla, and childish if they don't let a man shove his penis up her arse! MEN make women feel this way which is disgusting, but it's fucking abhorrent that WOMEN make other women feel like this. And like they are somehow better than the others, because THEY love a penis being shoved up their arse!

The OP's husband is an absolute disgrace trying to suggest anal sex with her when she's had a 4th degree tear that's done lots of damage down there ... And as many people have said (including a qualified midwife,) anal sex will cause her irreparable damage if he tries to stick his penis into her anal passage, because it's so close to other damage. Anybody who thinks what the OP's husband is suggesting is OK needs to give their fucking head a wobble, and is breathtakingly obtuse.

I'm so glad that I was a young woman in the late 1980s, and not now. Almost every man women meet (to date,) wants to stick his penis up her arse, and possibly do irreparable damage !!! As the article says that I've put a link to - it takes a lot of preparation to do it. You can't just shove it in - which I suspect is what the OP's husband wants to do (and what many many men want to do because that's what they see in PORN!) The article also illustrates how many younger women are bullied and coerced into it.

And yes it IS porn that drives it - don't even pretend it isn't .. You're embarrassing yourself.

And as for the small number of people accusing those saying it's not natural of being homophobic. What a load of rubbish. And what a stupid and ridiculous thing to say. Hmm

Real Anal Sex is Very Different Than How It’s Shown in Porn

Much like other sex acts, there’s a drastic difference between how anal sex is shown in porn and how it actually is in real life.

https://fightthenewdrug.org/real-anal-sex-different-than-how-its-shown-in-porn/

HRTQueen · 03/07/2023 15:29

I agree it absolutely it is porn

I would rather remain single and happy being single than go back to OLD

every man I dated in the last 10 years wanted anal and wanted to shove their dick right down my throat and that last one hands around my throat with a Suggestion to breath play 🙄😡 what fucking nonsense it’s strangulation call it what it is and it’s very dangerous. I don’t want to act like a porn actress I know what I like and it’s not that

all my friends have had the same experience and most of us have been left feeling degraded at some point

SpringleDingle · 03/07/2023 15:38

In the context of a loving, caring and trusting relationship I am a bit of a fan of anal BUT I definitely don't think immediately postpartum is the time to try something so totally new. Anal can be painful if you don't do it properly. It takes time and patience to get right. I remember being sore downstairs, leaking milk and being awake all night and I 100% would not have been up for bum play at that time!

I think you need a strong word with your H about him being FAR FAR more understanding and patient of how you are currently feeling and to stop suggesting stupid things!

regustering · 03/07/2023 15:39

HRTQueen · 03/07/2023 15:29

I agree it absolutely it is porn

I would rather remain single and happy being single than go back to OLD

every man I dated in the last 10 years wanted anal and wanted to shove their dick right down my throat and that last one hands around my throat with a Suggestion to breath play 🙄😡 what fucking nonsense it’s strangulation call it what it is and it’s very dangerous. I don’t want to act like a porn actress I know what I like and it’s not that

all my friends have had the same experience and most of us have been left feeling degraded at some point

You think men are too dumb to try it without porn and women also enjoy it as well

HRTQueen · 03/07/2023 15:43

I know from my own experience that men didn’t expect anal as much I had one boyfriend when I was younger ask for anal and I remember thinking that was strange

and I know that many young women will go along with thinking this is what they should be doing but as they get older and feel more in control they are more honest with themselves

TheoTheopolis23 · 03/07/2023 16:06

I don't give a shit if anal sex has been a thing since prehistoric times, there's no way it was expected so much from men, til the past 20 years or so... Most men try it on and expect it these days. It's only been an expectation from women this century really. And don't even suggest for a SECOND that it's not porn driving it, because it is.

100%

It wasn't mainstream in porn or heterosexual sex until relatively recently.

Oh and the historic examples I know of heterosexual anal sex were generally of exploited, abused, quite powerless women who were trying to avoid repeated pregnancies, like Roman prostitutes, or women in African tribes whose position was very very much subservient and j feripr to men, who were in no position to refuse penetrative sex and who, again, were trying to avoid repeated pregnancies.

TheoTheopolis23 · 03/07/2023 16:08

The historic examples of heterosexual anal sex were not fun experimentation and exploration ..... That poster is either ignorant or disingenuous.

TheoTheopolis23 · 03/07/2023 16:12

HRTQueen · 03/07/2023 15:43

I know from my own experience that men didn’t expect anal as much I had one boyfriend when I was younger ask for anal and I remember thinking that was strange

and I know that many young women will go along with thinking this is what they should be doing but as they get older and feel more in control they are more honest with themselves

I'm 47 and not one of my partners in my 20s or 30s asked me for anal sex.

Sorry, there was one exception - an extremely promiscuous man from a different region of the world, who also used sex workers. Even he, when I did not respond positively, dropped the subject immediately.

I've also seen porn since I was a child and we came across the German porn channels that were bundled with sky packages and it was rare - really rare in 80s porn. It's almost every video in 2023 porn.

This is a recent sea change and the availability of porn on the internet is driving men's expectations and demands.

NoPorkies · 03/07/2023 16:18

I have never been asked for it, but I have been married since the 1980s. It was just not a thing then at all, it was just something that gay men did

gemstoneju · 03/07/2023 16:18

I think as people started to travel more widely, to the Far East in particular, men bought sex abroad and anal sex was offered by female prostitutes and more started to desire it. A man I worked with told me about a 'friend' (he might have been talking about himself actually) who went to Amsterdam regularly specifically to buy anal sex from women because it was 'mindblowing'.

guineacup · 03/07/2023 16:36

@MeowOnceForOffended

"You can argue how fecal incontinence is the new black to your heart's content on that can't you. Op made their boundary clear. Respect it."

Ffs @Mrphillasfoggex couldn't have made any more explicit that she did respect the OP's boundaries!

TheoTheopolis23 · 03/07/2023 16:40

The OP's husband is an absolute disgrace trying to suggest anal sex with her when she's had a 4th degree tear that's done lots of damage down there ... And as many people have said (including a qualified midwife,) anal sex will cause her irreparable damage if he tries to stick his penis into her anal passage, because it's so close to other damage. Anybody who thinks what the OP's husband is suggesting is OK needs to give their fucking head a wobble, and is breathtakingly obtuse.

Hear fucking hear.

I hope you are still here op. I'm sorry he's put you in their position. He's a fkg idiot at best, but I suspect worse.

MrsRachelDanvers · 03/07/2023 16:44

Fgs, you’re allowed to have individual opinions on sex acts without being called homophobic. Will people please stop this narrative? A person might think oral sex is perverted. It doesn’t mean they want to deny others their rights or feel anything negative towards a person who likes it.

Lachimolala · 03/07/2023 16:48

MrsRachelDanvers · 03/07/2023 16:44

Fgs, you’re allowed to have individual opinions on sex acts without being called homophobic. Will people please stop this narrative? A person might think oral sex is perverted. It doesn’t mean they want to deny others their rights or feel anything negative towards a person who likes it.

Exactly this. Just another way a man thinks they can silence women because he doesn’t like their opinion, nor does he want to respect their boundaries. How very unsurprising.

Mrphillasfoggex · 03/07/2023 16:53

Anal sex overall rates suggest that around a third of men and women have engaged in anal sex. So that's not all men or women.
Obviously, some posters do not agree, so the discussion on this particular point in the thread has reached an impasse.

guineacup · 03/07/2023 17:04

MrsRachelDanvers · 03/07/2023 16:44

Fgs, you’re allowed to have individual opinions on sex acts without being called homophobic. Will people please stop this narrative? A person might think oral sex is perverted. It doesn’t mean they want to deny others their rights or feel anything negative towards a person who likes it.

No, if I said as a man "I don't want to engage in anal sex, I think it's perverted", that to me would clearly be homophobic. Calling an act "perverted" is very different to saying you personally don't like it.

Brightbear · 03/07/2023 17:11

MrsRachelDanvers · 03/07/2023 16:44

Fgs, you’re allowed to have individual opinions on sex acts without being called homophobic. Will people please stop this narrative? A person might think oral sex is perverted. It doesn’t mean they want to deny others their rights or feel anything negative towards a person who likes it.

Don’t like and calling something perverted, so therefore insinuating the person is a pervert are two very different things.

CrazyArmadilloLady · 03/07/2023 17:11

guineacup · 03/07/2023 17:04

No, if I said as a man "I don't want to engage in anal sex, I think it's perverted", that to me would clearly be homophobic. Calling an act "perverted" is very different to saying you personally don't like it.

You were accusing people upthread of being homophobic. 🙄

Newsflash - you don’t get to police people’s thoughts. People are free to find anything peverted, and there’s very little you can do about it.

MrsRachelDanvers · 03/07/2023 17:28

Perverted is a judgment word. I think you’re allowed to think something is perverted-without being ‘phobic’. FWIW, I think other very niche sex acts are perverted-not particularly with an opinion on anal-but I also think each to their own. One person’s perversion is another one’s turn on-maybe it’s a turn on because it is perverted. Nothing to do with any phobia.

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