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Strained relationship with dd

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AnyaMarx · 08/06/2023 02:18

I had my kids at 19 and 25 and had a brilliant relationship with them.

When my youngest went to uni I left my husband. I now realise this wasn't the best time for dd . I was thinking bows the time as they'd both left home - but it wasn't and I accept that.

My relationship with dd has been ok but not what it was .

She's stuck firmly by her dad . And that's fine - I left - I was the bad guy .

She is now almost 26 . Through guilt initially I said dh could keep the house and I rented . That was 8 years ago.

Now I have a critical illness . I've told dh I'm going to claim on our critical illness cover and then we can divorce and financially separate. He has a new girlfriend. I'm single . I live in a rented house and I cant sustain this . My illness is bad and debilitating- my plan was claim the insurance , he pays me out from that , he keeps the house , I get a shred ownership new build so I'm secure , pay less rent . He will still win financially.

I try not to involve the kids in these talks as they are adults and have moved out - dd just bought first house with her partner and ds lives abroad .

Tonight I got a text from dd - I've always tried to stay in touch , offering visits or her and her partner to stay over - never taken up. My illness is so bad at minute I can't drive .
I've asked dd for a phone call maybe once a week but she is too busy .

The text tonight said she feels I should walk away with nothing as I'm the one who left . She feels her dad is being "done over " if I ask for any financial settlement. I bit . I argued back . I said he will keep the house - I just want to claim the Insurance so I can get a shared ownership place that's secure - my job is at risk and if that goes I can't afford my rent . She's said she doesn't want to speak to me over phone , messages are enough , she's busy , etc etc .

I'm heartbroken. I get she feels I'm the bad guy . But I asked her what she wants and what she'd be happy with ? I asked do I live in my car if I can't work and c t pay my rent ? She said I was the one who left and I should leve everything as it is with her dad as he must "be terrified " - I mean seriously even if I had t got this illness I've pud a mortgage since 1993 - I'd only be asking for half - I wouldn't make him sell up - this seemed like a solution to me to claim the critical illness and he keep th house and get some cash - I don't get it .
He's obviously been talking to her

My sister is furious with me for biting - she says let her vent , tell her we will sort it between dh and I and say nothing more .she says young people do t do phone calls these days and just let her message without pestering for a call .

I've been virtually bed ridden for months - she's never come to see me . I've kept her updated without being a drama queen but I know both her and my ex dh think I'm attention seeking and there's nothing wrong with me . He reluctantly sent me the insurance details for the critical illness policy we have in the mortgage.

I don't get it .
If I claim in that (subject to a diagnosis which I've almost got now ) I've said if he just gives me 42k from that (so I can put a 25% down on a shared ownership ) he can keep the rest and the house ! Yet I'm the bad guy ?

I've paid all our debt ! It took 6 years! I paid it all! I've been in poverty to do that .

Dd thinks I should leave everything alone because I left . I had a relationship after leaving and while I was with someone I was comfortable so didn't pursue a divorce or settlement but I left that relationship (it was very abusive ) and I've lived alone for 4 years - now I've got health issues I need to consider my future and get secure housing .

I've sat and cried . My sister says let her vent and ignore it . Everyone seems angry with me and honestly I've been nothing but reasonable! If I wanted to be a bitch I'd be making him sell up and give me half ! The more I try and be reasonable the more it seems to annoy everyone when I say I'd like something from the marriage (which is now 31 years!).

It seems the only way to make everyone happy is walk away with nothing .

My sister says stop arguing with dd . Say fine . Don't worry - we'll sort it .
Yes I know she's right but I bit tonight - I've not been able to drive or walk for 9 weeks now and counting and no one has helped me . I'm tired , I'll
And in pain . They don't believe me - but I'm on the verge of diagnosis and it's real ! (Rheumatoid arthritis most likely ) It's like they all think I'm being a drama queen and should shut up and fuck off .

I'm hurt . Feel let down . Whatever I do next - dd isn't going to be happy and will take dh side unless I walk away with nothing from a 31 year marriage. We married in 1991 and bought our first house in 1993 . I did everything. Had the kids at 19 and 25 - eldest had meningitis and was disabled and I did everything- worked , ran the house , shopped , -all the medical appointments and all the house admin and dh while a hard worker at his job did nothing to help me - everything was mine to sort . He had poor hygiene. He was impotent . I was 19 when we married . He isn't a saint - yet the kids seem to think he is and I'm the devil incarnate for leaving . I think I actually had a proper mental breakdown at that time and I ran .

Now I don't know what to do .

OP posts:
SunflowerTed · 15/06/2023 22:53

TidyHomeTidyMind · 08/06/2023 06:22

Stop being a martyr!
Divorce properly with a decent solicitor and get every penny you are owed.
If you were the breadwinner why are you letting him live indefinitely off the proceeds of your hardwork?
If he has to sell the house for you to settle the divorce then so be it, shared ownership isn't always all its cracked up to be, if the marital home was sold could you afford a flat by yourself?

this. Why are you pandering to your daughter when she is taking your husbands side? Her anger isn’t going away so get what you’re owed! She will still not forgive if you walk away with nothing!!!!

Billybagpuss · 16/06/2023 06:39

AnyaMarx · 15/06/2023 20:41

Im prioritising

First job is get my diagnosis.

Then see if I can claim on the critical illness policy

That will depend on my next step financially however I will be consulting a solicitor (have a number through work ) and I'll take it from there .

I still dont want to push a sale , or make dh homeless but yes I want enough out of the situation to start again and be comfortable.

I aren't ruthless , and blindly forcing a sale would do me more harm than good mentally - so while I will be seeking advice all I really want is enough to see me right , and see dh right too , but I'll do what I need to do to ensure im housed and stable .

He won’t be homeless, he’ll have his fair share from the sale to start again as well. Ok you’ve alluded to you being at fault for the separation but that is probably the symptom not the cause. You clearly weren’t making each other happy.

AnyaMarx · 16/06/2023 22:50

Oh I think he was perfectly happy - he had a personal secretary to ring his density's and doctors

He never had to make a decision

He never had to work out where the kids were going if they were ill

He never had to sort out the bills

He has ED but never had to worry about sorting it

He did some housework and was an amenable happy bloke . I did everything he wanted .

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Coyoacan · 17/06/2023 01:35

I can't bear to see people daring to judge you, OP.

For me, the important thing is that you looked after your children and brought them up to be independent adults. That is the end of your duty to them. If they are ungrateful, so be it. But stop apologising to them and you certainly do not have to justify your choices to strangers on the internet.

The best thing you can do for your kids now is stop being a martyr and get what you are entitled to. That way you are less likely to be burden as you get older.

As for rheumatoid arthritis, there is a lot to be said for changing your diet.

TidyHomeTidyMind · 17/06/2023 07:14

@AnyaMarx I am not sure if it is just your writing style or if you are genuinely this blasé in life.....
You keep mentioning that you don't want to force a sale....why not? You fear he will be homeless? He should have been homeless a long time ago but you kept working hard and he benefitted for 3 decades!
If you do force the sale he will I assume take 50%, that seems like a good deal considering he didn't put in 50% of the work doesn't it?
Your daughter will not change her opinion of you just because you take less than you are owed and to be honest would you want her to? That gives her a lot of power in your relationship - very much 'do as I say mum or I will make your life a misery' I certainly wouldn't want that dynamic with my children.

AnyaMarx · 18/06/2023 03:23

I'm far from blase

I'm just trying g to do right by everyone and I've previously promised not to force a sale of the house so I will honour that .
I don't need to force the sale if I can get 42k for a shared ownership- that'll do me

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TidyHomeTidyMind · 18/06/2023 10:26

@AnyaMarx okay. Do whatever you see fit. If you are happy with 42K and ending up with a shared ownership property to show for 30 years of your working life then that is entirely up to you.
It wouldn't be my choice.

RandomMess · 18/06/2023 10:54

Please take what you are owed because in 10 years time you may need more than taking the £42k now. He can take out a mortgage, cash in his pension etc.

You worked hard, you paid off joint debt now you need to be compensated for that to look after you as the state won't and your DC won't. Your ex doesn't need a large home anymore the DC have left he has a partner to buy with.

RandomMess · 18/06/2023 10:54

You taking less will not change your DC attitude.

AnyaMarx · 19/06/2023 00:25

RandomMess · 18/06/2023 10:54

Please take what you are owed because in 10 years time you may need more than taking the £42k now. He can take out a mortgage, cash in his pension etc.

You worked hard, you paid off joint debt now you need to be compensated for that to look after you as the state won't and your DC won't. Your ex doesn't need a large home anymore the DC have left he has a partner to buy with.

I really appreciate the concern but dh is almost 60 . He will not get a mortgage alone now
He has no pension
I dont think his gf would buy with him

I'm going to get legal advice and see what they say .

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NoPrivateSpy · 19/06/2023 07:56

OP, are you sure your critical illness cover will provide that much? If not, where will you get the money from?

I am sure you have done your homework but I'd maybe hold fire on assuming he can stay put until you have made the application to your insurance?

AnyaMarx · 19/06/2023 15:06

NoPrivateSpy · 19/06/2023 07:56

OP, are you sure your critical illness cover will provide that much? If not, where will you get the money from?

I am sure you have done your homework but I'd maybe hold fire on assuming he can stay put until you have made the application to your insurance?

Yea I'll be applying for the critical illness first and see if that goes through ok - there are several criteria to meet for RA , I think I will meet it but I'll see rheumatologist first - then take it from there .

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NoPrivateSpy · 19/06/2023 23:09

Sounds like a plan. Wishing you lots of luck and good fortune. x

AnyaMarx · 20/06/2023 00:01

Dd has messaged but it's hard to
Work out what she wants .

She says I've not been there for her , yet when I've tried to schedule a call or visit she rebuffs it saying she's busy and would rather message.

She gets annoyed when I've persisted with are you free for a call , and if I've just tried to ring on the off chance she ignores it and messages I'm busy .

She says her dad has been there for her , putting up
Shelves and buying flowers for the table , etc etc .

It's like she's angry I'm not doing those things but if I try and do anything she gets angry then too . She doesn't like impromptu vista , I've tried to arrange things , visits, calls, days out or lunch or whatever - she says no .
I feel I'm in a no win situation.
Ive apologised for how I've made her feel , I've said I want to make things better , I e suggested things and asked directly how I can , or if she needs helps with anything. I've explained driving is really difficult for me at the moment but I've said I will drive to
See her if she's free and just make allowances for the following days when it affects me and my mobility, I can still do things I just know that for a couple
Of days afterwards I'm housebound so I factor that in .
Bottom line is I don't think I can fix this . Her anger runs too deep and the more I try the more angry she gets .
I've left it with saying I am here for you , if yku want anything just shout , if you're free for a call let me know , I'm f your free for a visit , let me know , and if you're busy a message is fine too .
I'm at a loss . I'm sad . I don't think I can make things any better.

She keeps saying I've bombarded my dh with messages-I've not messaged for a month and before that it was about the insurance and to say I had my consultation with the specialist. 🤷🏻‍♀️

OP posts:
Billybagpuss · 20/06/2023 06:31

it does seem there is a lot of anger there. With my youngest dd for a while if I was ill she would get angry at me if DH is ill it’s ‘poor dad what can I do do you need tea etc’ with me just anger. I guess because I am the one that always did everything for them I was the one they used for support so when I needed help it panicked them.

I think you do need to leave it for a few days at least. The ball is in her court. You can’t win with her at the moment so stop trying.

I am hoping the solicitor when you see them will talk some sense into you about taking your full entitlement. 42k is not enough to see you through. Especially if you do have to give up work.

Do you have a friend network. It could be worth trying to meet new people so you have an interest in life.

RandomMess · 20/06/2023 07:02

You can't win.

You taking less money won't change anything because it's not about that.

It's very painful when our children reject us and rewrite the truth Flowers

AnyaMarx · 20/06/2023 17:11

Ah no now it's how I'm acting now apparently because dad should have everything because I've got this huge pension "

Wtf ???

My pension will be worth £400 a month ! I joined the pension at 38 and even if I work till 60 I'll only have 22 years in it -
And at this rate I'll be too immobile to work till 60

OP posts:
RandomMess · 20/06/2023 17:43

See Daddy is telling untruths, dripping them in her ear.

Just reply, what the pension that is smaller than his?

GrazingSheep · 20/06/2023 17:44

You were at death’s door with pneumonia a few months ago and neither of your children lifted a finger to help you.

CleanCar · 20/06/2023 17:57

Op you sound like your doing yourself a dis service. Take half. You shouldnt care hes nearly 60! Hes had it easy by all accounts. Dont allow your DD to battle you down. She has no idea how tough things are in the real world. One day she nay reflect on this. Ignore her pleas for the moment and see a solicitor. Look after yourself first snd foremost. Youre poorly and have done so much over the years for no thanks. Dont just roll over and allow him to stay in the house

Billybagpuss · 20/06/2023 19:24

AnyaMarx · 20/06/2023 17:11

Ah no now it's how I'm acting now apparently because dad should have everything because I've got this huge pension "

Wtf ???

My pension will be worth £400 a month ! I joined the pension at 38 and even if I work till 60 I'll only have 22 years in it -
And at this rate I'll be too immobile to work till 60

Also none of her business, don’t engage 💐

Coyoacan · 20/06/2023 20:03

Your children's attitude is no reflection on you, OP. It sounds like you have always put them first and unfortunately they haven't woken up to being adults yet.

You did well by them, now you are have to look after yourself, while you are really vulnerable

AnyaMarx · 20/06/2023 20:50

I asked if I should give up all my rights and entitlements

Her answer was - well you did when you left

Now she apparently wants nothing more to do with me and I'll regret this when she gets married and has kids .

I've told her a million times I wouldn't force a sale . She just wants to rage at

No matter what I say .

OP posts:
AnyaMarx · 20/06/2023 20:57

GrazingSheep · 20/06/2023 17:44

You were at death’s door with pneumonia a few months ago and neither of your children lifted a finger to help you.

I don't think she believes that either

Or that I have RA.

I honestly don't think they'll be happy unless I drop dead and then problem solved.

She doesn't want to talk to me anymore she says she's cutting me off and will let me know when she wants to see the dog !

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RandomMess · 20/06/2023 21:12

Then you may as well get your fair share and live a more comfortable life going forward.

I suspect your ex has dropped poison in her ear for years.

Taking less and letting him keep the house will make no difference. He doesn't need the family home anymore, he lives on his own. Downsizing to cheaper council tax and utility bills will benefit him anyway.