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Strained relationship with dd

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AnyaMarx · 08/06/2023 02:18

I had my kids at 19 and 25 and had a brilliant relationship with them.

When my youngest went to uni I left my husband. I now realise this wasn't the best time for dd . I was thinking bows the time as they'd both left home - but it wasn't and I accept that.

My relationship with dd has been ok but not what it was .

She's stuck firmly by her dad . And that's fine - I left - I was the bad guy .

She is now almost 26 . Through guilt initially I said dh could keep the house and I rented . That was 8 years ago.

Now I have a critical illness . I've told dh I'm going to claim on our critical illness cover and then we can divorce and financially separate. He has a new girlfriend. I'm single . I live in a rented house and I cant sustain this . My illness is bad and debilitating- my plan was claim the insurance , he pays me out from that , he keeps the house , I get a shred ownership new build so I'm secure , pay less rent . He will still win financially.

I try not to involve the kids in these talks as they are adults and have moved out - dd just bought first house with her partner and ds lives abroad .

Tonight I got a text from dd - I've always tried to stay in touch , offering visits or her and her partner to stay over - never taken up. My illness is so bad at minute I can't drive .
I've asked dd for a phone call maybe once a week but she is too busy .

The text tonight said she feels I should walk away with nothing as I'm the one who left . She feels her dad is being "done over " if I ask for any financial settlement. I bit . I argued back . I said he will keep the house - I just want to claim the Insurance so I can get a shared ownership place that's secure - my job is at risk and if that goes I can't afford my rent . She's said she doesn't want to speak to me over phone , messages are enough , she's busy , etc etc .

I'm heartbroken. I get she feels I'm the bad guy . But I asked her what she wants and what she'd be happy with ? I asked do I live in my car if I can't work and c t pay my rent ? She said I was the one who left and I should leve everything as it is with her dad as he must "be terrified " - I mean seriously even if I had t got this illness I've pud a mortgage since 1993 - I'd only be asking for half - I wouldn't make him sell up - this seemed like a solution to me to claim the critical illness and he keep th house and get some cash - I don't get it .
He's obviously been talking to her

My sister is furious with me for biting - she says let her vent , tell her we will sort it between dh and I and say nothing more .she says young people do t do phone calls these days and just let her message without pestering for a call .

I've been virtually bed ridden for months - she's never come to see me . I've kept her updated without being a drama queen but I know both her and my ex dh think I'm attention seeking and there's nothing wrong with me . He reluctantly sent me the insurance details for the critical illness policy we have in the mortgage.

I don't get it .
If I claim in that (subject to a diagnosis which I've almost got now ) I've said if he just gives me 42k from that (so I can put a 25% down on a shared ownership ) he can keep the rest and the house ! Yet I'm the bad guy ?

I've paid all our debt ! It took 6 years! I paid it all! I've been in poverty to do that .

Dd thinks I should leave everything alone because I left . I had a relationship after leaving and while I was with someone I was comfortable so didn't pursue a divorce or settlement but I left that relationship (it was very abusive ) and I've lived alone for 4 years - now I've got health issues I need to consider my future and get secure housing .

I've sat and cried . My sister says let her vent and ignore it . Everyone seems angry with me and honestly I've been nothing but reasonable! If I wanted to be a bitch I'd be making him sell up and give me half ! The more I try and be reasonable the more it seems to annoy everyone when I say I'd like something from the marriage (which is now 31 years!).

It seems the only way to make everyone happy is walk away with nothing .

My sister says stop arguing with dd . Say fine . Don't worry - we'll sort it .
Yes I know she's right but I bit tonight - I've not been able to drive or walk for 9 weeks now and counting and no one has helped me . I'm tired , I'll
And in pain . They don't believe me - but I'm on the verge of diagnosis and it's real ! (Rheumatoid arthritis most likely ) It's like they all think I'm being a drama queen and should shut up and fuck off .

I'm hurt . Feel let down . Whatever I do next - dd isn't going to be happy and will take dh side unless I walk away with nothing from a 31 year marriage. We married in 1991 and bought our first house in 1993 . I did everything. Had the kids at 19 and 25 - eldest had meningitis and was disabled and I did everything- worked , ran the house , shopped , -all the medical appointments and all the house admin and dh while a hard worker at his job did nothing to help me - everything was mine to sort . He had poor hygiene. He was impotent . I was 19 when we married . He isn't a saint - yet the kids seem to think he is and I'm the devil incarnate for leaving . I think I actually had a proper mental breakdown at that time and I ran .

Now I don't know what to do .

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AnyaMarx · 09/06/2023 21:13

I completely bared my souls and got nothing back . I imagine she will think I'm making excuses .

I can do no more . She is definitely in her ivory tower looking down on her lowly disappointment of a mother .

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AnyaMarx · 09/06/2023 21:14

*soul . As far as I know I only have one . Not had a diagnosis for anything more 😂

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TidyHomeTidyMind · 10/06/2023 10:20

You don't have to prove your daughter 'wrong' before you can move on and divorce her father!
You say you keep messaging her and I understand why you are doing it but just stop. You are feeding the fire, quietly get legal advice and move on with your life with the funds you are entitled to.
He will whinge and moan to your daughter about how unfair you are being but tough shit, if you are unwell why should you not live comfortably so he can enjoy the spoils that he contributed nothing to.
I mean this kindly but get a flipping backbone, if your daughter doesn't like it (she won't) it doesn't really matter, she is already treating you poorly, you might as well let her carry on and get your life back!

pillsthrillsandbellyache · 10/06/2023 10:26

You need to sort out the financial OP, you are no better thought of for everything you have sacrificed. Start the ball rolling and take no shit.

AnyaMarx · 11/06/2023 00:38

I intend to start divorce proceedings as soon as my health issue is diagnosed. Which h is imminent.

I'm just trying to prioritise.

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Biscuitandacuppa · 11/06/2023 00:54

Have you checked what conditions are actually covered in the critical illness policy? Is rheumatoid arthritis classed as a critical illness?

There is no point in sending long messages to your dd, at this point she is absolutely not listening to a word you say. She has decided you are the ‘bad guy’ the only thing that will change her mind is time and maturity.

AnyaMarx · 11/06/2023 01:40

Biscuitandacuppa · 11/06/2023 00:54

Have you checked what conditions are actually covered in the critical illness policy? Is rheumatoid arthritis classed as a critical illness?

There is no point in sending long messages to your dd, at this point she is absolutely not listening to a word you say. She has decided you are the ‘bad guy’ the only thing that will change her mind is time and maturity.

Yes of course ive checked! And yes Ra is covered in our policy .

I've had to employ a cleaner - I am bed bound currently. Totally immobile.

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AnyaMarx · 11/06/2023 01:45

I've left it with her . Sent one last message and got some things off my chest about why I think what happened did happen and now it's over to her .

I'm a bit 🤔 at by anyone would think I had t checked the policy!
It's on the list and the criteria is covered . I can't carry my washing upstairs because I need both hands to get up - I can't carry anything. The joints of my feet ankles and knees are swollen , hot , painful and I can't walk . Im completely immobile. Im hoping when I see the rheumatologist next month something might change .

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OrangeRhymesWith · 11/06/2023 06:57

Op i'm sorry you're I'll.

even though you were deemed not to need counselling I think you need to consider it, particularly given your childhood.

be curious about your need to be seen as the good guy and need to justify all your actions.

you list how much you've done for everyone, how you planned every action so as to cause the least inconvenience for them - ask yourself was this for them or to protect yourself from being 'the bad guy'.

I say this with kindness, it is a common survival strategy of people who have been abused - they must be seen to do everything right to avoid attacks.

look up the 'fawn' compotent of 'fight, flight, freeze, fawn' and see if anything resonates.

unfortunately it sounds like you are using a lot of energy trying to prove DD wrong of her notion of you as 'the bad guy'. You say you have accepted it but then say you continue to send numerous messages trying to justify your actions. I think, subconsciously you have placed DD as your attacker and your survival kid brain is driving you to think if you can get understanding from her and she sees you are 'the good guy' you will be safe.

I think DD might subconsciously feel this intensity from you and find your need to get absolution from her overwhelming - this may be why she is not answering or can't so phone calls with you.

with love, the little girl in you is not going to be safe if she does everything right here and puts herself last - you need to help that little girl grow up and protect her by putting yourself first, getting what you're entitled to.
What you need is not going to be rewarded to you by someone else by taking care of everyone else, it will be rewarded to you from yourself from the actions you take.

Billybagpuss · 11/06/2023 07:16

Please don’t agree to anything less than your fair share from the marriage. If it is RA you may live for many years whilst having to deal with it and will need the security and the means to pay for help. Just send dd texts every now and then and sharing your own news but don’t get drawn into any discussions about the house finances. Exh is using her to manipulate you big time. Oh OP is such a bad person she’s left the family and wants to destroy everything we have etc. whereas you are entitled to move on and have your fair share from the property.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 11/06/2023 09:04

By the sounds of it, the relationship is fucked anyway so you might as well go for broke. Make sure you get everything you are entitled to in the divorce, and need in order to secure your future. Giving in and struggling won't be recognised or appreciated. Once it's all sorted, you can keep trying to rebuild the relationship and it'll probably be easier if you're in a better place financially and medically and without all these worries hanging over your head.

Luckynumbereight · 11/06/2023 12:03

Why in the world would you let an immature person who can’t be bothered with you decide your fate!?

Why do you continue to mother your useless husband?

Fuck that.

From what you’re saying you may not have that much time left so make your life the best it can be for YOU.

I wish you the best OP.

determinedtomakethiswork · 11/06/2023 12:15

You would be absolutely insane not to go for 50-50. Think of it this way. If your ex remarries and then he dies, your children may well not inherit from him. Think of it that you are keeping your 50% for them to inherit.

AnyaMarx · 13/06/2023 20:11

She hasn't been back in touch at all.

On the plus side my appointment with the specialist has been moved forward a week .

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AnyaMarx · 13/06/2023 21:34

Just sent a cheery message saying hope alls well and thinking of her .

I'll do that a couple of times a week . I don't think she'll respond but at least it shows I'm still here .

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Billybagpuss · 14/06/2023 06:19

It’s the thing to do, don’t take any less than you are entitled to, if you can’t carry washing upstairs etc you’re going to need to pay for a home help a couple of times a week which your 50% of the property will help with.

JaneNormanBag · 14/06/2023 08:21

I think the messages might come across as a little passive aggressive if you send them that frequently - might have the opposite of the desired effect? I would leave her alone until you’re able to get up and about and ask her for a coffee somewhere to try and clear the air a bit

AnyaMarx · 14/06/2023 21:48

He birthday is coming up but I know she's going on holiday so I've just sent a message to ask when she's away and asking if she wants anything specific- I want to send a card that gets there before she goes away or this will be seen as another ❌ so I e made the effort .

If she doesnt respond I'll just send a card to be there in her return with a gift card .

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Billybagpuss · 15/06/2023 07:59

You’ve reached a point where you can’t do right for doing wrong, hold off on the messages for a few days now.

I just hope you’ve realised that martyring yourself by walking away with less than your share will not fix this relationship.

NoPrivateSpy · 15/06/2023 20:03

What have you decided to do about the house, OP?

AnyaMarx · 15/06/2023 20:41

Im prioritising

First job is get my diagnosis.

Then see if I can claim on the critical illness policy

That will depend on my next step financially however I will be consulting a solicitor (have a number through work ) and I'll take it from there .

I still dont want to push a sale , or make dh homeless but yes I want enough out of the situation to start again and be comfortable.

I aren't ruthless , and blindly forcing a sale would do me more harm than good mentally - so while I will be seeking advice all I really want is enough to see me right , and see dh right too , but I'll do what I need to do to ensure im housed and stable .

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AnyaMarx · 15/06/2023 20:42

Oh and I'll be seeking a no fault divorce

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Throwncrumbs · 15/06/2023 20:53

Biscuitandacuppa · 11/06/2023 00:54

Have you checked what conditions are actually covered in the critical illness policy? Is rheumatoid arthritis classed as a critical illness?

There is no point in sending long messages to your dd, at this point she is absolutely not listening to a word you say. She has decided you are the ‘bad guy’ the only thing that will change her mind is time and maturity.

I thought this too

AnyaMarx · 15/06/2023 20:56

I e answered this already upthread.

Yes my policy covers rheumatoid athritis .

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AnyaMarx · 15/06/2023 20:58

It's critical Il red cover not terminal illness cover

I've had to hire a cleaner
I cannot carry washing upstairs
I cannot pick up the hoover
I can t bend down to clean skirtings or floors
I can hardly drive or walk
I'm having to get food delivered
I'm working from home because I can't get into my place of work
I cannot walk my dogs

I've checked my policy - it was taken out in 1993 when more conditions were covered . It's up to date and covers RA .

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