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I married my teacher and now it feels... weird

232 replies

LocoMoko · 28/05/2023 21:42

Almost 30 years ago I got together with my French teacher right at the end of sixth form. We've been married for decades. I'm ten years younger.
But, it feels weird especially as I work loosely in safeguarding.
Our marriage is OK. We have children.
Do I need to get over myself?!

OP posts:
Mustardseed86 · 28/05/2023 22:23

I think you're right to reassess this but I also understand why it's taken you a long time and why you might have very uncertain or shifting feelings about it. It doesn't sound like you had a chance to really live your own life and grow up on your own terms if you went straight into a relationship with an authority figure ten years your senior. It may not have been illegal then as you were no longer student and teacher but I think it would be now, due to the grooming element which is now better understood - and as you say, there was an emotional attachment before the relationship began. I have no idea what your husband's character is like outside of what you've said, but the fact that he swooped in on a teenager with a crush is enough to see there is an issue that needs to be explored (for/by you, individually) with a trained counsellor. Beyond that I wouldn't want to judge or advise. These things take a lot of untanglingFlowers

FabFitFifties · 28/05/2023 22:24

2 teachers at my school, in the early 80's had affairs with 6 formers, and married them. One male and one female. No one got into trouble.

Obimumkinobi · 28/05/2023 22:25

I absolutely think it was appropriate of him and it wasn't as if he was 22 fresh from college. Not that that would have been acceptable either but a 28 year old teacher should not have behaved like this. I would question why couldn't he meet women in his own life stage i.e. working with some experience of the world? Definite power imbalance even if you pursued him.

Parents don't send their kids to school to be hit on by their teachers because they are in a position of care and trust.

FiveShelties · 28/05/2023 22:25

What do you think was weird about it?

Twanky · 28/05/2023 22:25

7eleven · 28/05/2023 22:11

Good grief. That’s quite a leap.

Isn't it just!

TheHandmaiden · 28/05/2023 22:26

It's half term

Haywirecity · 28/05/2023 22:26

FoxtrotOscarFoxtrotOscar · 28/05/2023 21:50

Do you still call him Monsieur?

😂😂😂 You're very naughty. 🤣🤣

TooBigForMyBoots · 28/05/2023 22:28

Have you thought about a career in politics?

MucozadeOnLucozade · 28/05/2023 22:29

My friend in France married her school teacher... I always found it a bit weird and creepy.

readbooksdrinktea · 28/05/2023 22:29

TooBigForMyBoots · 28/05/2023 22:28

Have you thought about a career in politics?

😅

Obimumkinobi · 28/05/2023 22:30

Sorry, meant Wasn't

"I absolutely think it was appropriate"

Got to carried away on my hight horse!

Mummyoflittledragon · 28/05/2023 22:30

WhereTheSuburbsMeetUttoxeter · 28/05/2023 22:21

Married for decades, and now it seems weird?

Je m'appelle!
J'habite a La Rochelle!

Mon Dieu!

So why are you going off him now, is he old and gnarly? Peut etre un petit problem avec le pipi!?
Je ne sais pas.
Une questionne.

Relou

SeatonCarew · 28/05/2023 22:30

"...And now it feels..."

I thought you were going to say, "like every day's a school day".

👨‍🎓

hashtagmethree · 28/05/2023 22:31

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Forshameandyegads · 28/05/2023 22:33

Late '90s, music teacher cheated on his geography teacher fiancé with a 6th former. They married shortly after she did her A levels. They're still married I think. And he's still a teacher.

OCarumba · 28/05/2023 22:34

FoxtrotOscarFoxtrotOscar · 28/05/2023 21:50

Do you still call him Monsieur?

😂😂😂

Mummyoflittledragon · 28/05/2023 22:35

I can understand why it feels wrong now. You’ve matured. Is there an imbalance of power in your relationship now op? If there isn’t, to a certain extent, things were different back then and it really is up to you if you want to get past this. Have you spoken to him about it?

WombatChocolate · 28/05/2023 22:36

OP, is it only now that you are feeling uncomfortable about it? Did something prompt you to change how you feel or was it gradual? Are you feeling like you dont want to be with him? Is your marriage happy?

These days, a sexual relationship with a school student, even one over 16, means a teacher is likely to be prosecuted, gets a criminal record and won’t be able to work with children. This includes students in Yr13 who are still on roll but have ‘left’ to sit exams. Schools will also be concerned if they hear about a teacher having a relationship with an ex student soon after they leave school….as there is a high probability of potential abuse of a position of power. Even some one who used to be their teacher, but is t now, could be in a position of power to influence and exploit a young adult. Schools hearing about this would be looking into the issue and referring it on.

In the past, if a student was over 16, although frowned upon and possibly resulting in a teacher being sacked quietly, it wasn’t a criminal offence.

I suppose the question is, whether such relationships are always abusive and if it is possible for them to become happy and normal long term relationships/marriages. Also, is it possible to genuinely be happy for 20 or 30 years, and then to reflect and decide the origins of the relationship were very suspect and have this call the previous 20/30 years of marriage into question and it’s future too. I honestly don’t know.

I have known a couple of situations about 20 years ago, where a young teacher got together with an ex student and had long term relationships. In both cases, they maintained nothing happened whilst the student was at school, but it’s difficult to know if that was true. In one case, there was a gap of about 15 years and they were together throughout the student being at uni and then lived together for about 4 years after that. They then did break up. The ex-student had basically idolised their ex-teacher, but grew up and wanted freedom, whilst the ex-teacher was actually quite controlling. In the other case, the gap was smaller - probably 6 years. They were together through uni and stayed together and got married and had kids. They are still together.

There is undoubtedly something concerning about adult teachers who want to have relationships with students or ex students who are in their teens. I’m thinking mostly about male teachers, but it could be the other way round. Why would a man in his later 20s or older want to have a relationship with a teenager who they have taught? Apart from an obvious sexual intention which could be there, what kind of a man wants a long term relationship with a young girl instead of with a grown woman? The bigger the age gap, the more unequal the situation is and the unequal the power base and risks of exploitation and abuse…..even if there are very subtle and the young girl seems totally in agreement. The question is whether when there’s a power imbalance if it’s possible to be genuinely consensual and equal in the relationship.

Perhaps OP is looking back and seeing that her DH used his position of power all those years ago to start the relationship, and perhaps there has been an inequality of power through the relationship or for much of it. I just speculate. Sometimes people do only realise later. I don’t know if it’s possible to go from genuinely having thought you were happy for 30 years, to realising it’s all based on and is still abusive or not really. it probably is.

ThePoshUns · 28/05/2023 22:37

How would you both feel if a teacher or other professional groomed your daughter into a sexual relationship?

OCarumba · 28/05/2023 22:38

Neodymium · 28/05/2023 21:53

I have a friend who got together with her husband when she was 14 and he was 17. She used to sneak out to see him. She said that her stepdad hated him for years and still didn’t really like him and she didn’t understand why he couldn’t get over it. I said that it was essentially statutory rape and if I was her parents at the time I would have had him arrested. She did not like that one with and we had quite a heated discussion about it. She still to this day doesn’t see anything wrong with their relationship at the time. Fortunately she was quite drunk at the time and I don’t think she remembers the conversation as it’s not been brought up again.

It’s way different a 14 and 17 year old – kind of the same age group – to say, a 14 and a 24 year old.

RedToothBrush · 28/05/2023 22:39

Is this a gotcha thread?

TooOldForThisNonsense · 28/05/2023 22:40

Hmm I think you maybe just need to come to terms with it was different times then and no it would not be acceptable now but you can’t change the past. I too thought about President Macron when I read your post!

beeskipa · 28/05/2023 22:40

I do think that's weird, to be honest. And there's a lot of public discussions about age gaps, grooming, etc that there won't have been at the time which might have given you additional context, which is maybe why you're thinking about it differently now.

Is there something specific that's triggered this, or is it the general cultural approach to large age gaps/greater awareness of people in positions of power and those entrusted to them?

(A kind of side bar: there is, in my mind, a bit of a difference between 'newly qualified teacher aged 23 and 18 year old sixth former he taught for a year' and '16 year old who just did her GCSEs and 30 year old who taught her for years'. Not a huge one, but one nonetheless)

Ultimately, it being weird means little this far down the line if he's otherwise been a respectful partner who treated you as an equal, didn't abuse the power dynamic between you, etc etc.

I'm trying to tread carefully - I don't think it's 'okay', and I would hope that if you saw the same happening now to a young person you know, you'd know it wasn't - but I don't know what good it does you to reframe it as it would be seen now if the marriage is a happy one and he's a good husband and that dyanmic hasn't affected your relationship throughout, even if the way it started isn't ideal.

TooOldForThisNonsense · 28/05/2023 22:42

TooOldForThisNonsense · 28/05/2023 22:40

Hmm I think you maybe just need to come to terms with it was different times then and no it would not be acceptable now but you can’t change the past. I too thought about President Macron when I read your post!

As long as you are still comfortable in the relationship that is

kerryno · 28/05/2023 22:43

That's a bit weird!