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Can someone tell me how I should feel over DH's bombshell? Money

591 replies

ASeagullNamedDog · 26/05/2023 22:41

It turns out H has been raiding our savings for the last 18m-ish on the secret

He has spent £45k behind my back on fuck all - 37k of that in actual saved money, and wasting at least £800 per month out of his wages somewhere else

Nothing to show for it, says he doesn't know where it's gone

I've only found out as I asked him to transfer £15k for a big purchase

This money was earmarked for our children's future

This is divorce material, isn't it?

No secret children or other women, apparently not a gambling habit

I'm very calm but I'm not sure if I'm calm because I'm gonna crack up in an hour or two and bury him

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cantstaymadatyou · 27/05/2023 00:02

Could it be something like crypto/bad investments? Is he the type to get greedy and act stupid with money? Sadly you won’t get anywhere until he is completely honest with you about where this has gone.

MenoRageisReal · 27/05/2023 00:04

Yep divorce. For the deceit and the reckless attitude to your family's future.

But play it carefully / get him off the accounts, get the bank statements, get the credit check all done. Then kick him in the balls for a week.

MsRosley · 27/05/2023 00:07

Of course he fucking knows where it's gone.

TaylorSwiftFan · 27/05/2023 00:08

YukoandHiro · 26/05/2023 23:52

It's only really going to have gone on something bad isn't it - gambling, an addiction, an other woman/affair, paying for sex.

He's not admitting it because it's indefensible.

Definitely leave him. He's treated your children's future with disdain.

Agree with this.

You are allowed to be angry and devastated. What he has done is unforgivable.

However it's far too much money - there is something he's hiding

Dotcheck · 27/05/2023 00:08

I agree that he knows where it’s gone. Start digging.

pollykitty · 27/05/2023 00:09

JFC. How could you not notice until now?! He’s definitely doing something dodgy online. Gambling? Porn stuff?

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 27/05/2023 00:12

He is either shagging, snorting or gambling with it.

He needs to show where it went asap.

Leave him regardless, but he needs to show where it went so you know whether you need an sti test or to help guide any kids through having an addict for a parent.

blueshoes · 27/05/2023 00:13

OP, before you kick his sorry arse to the kerb, you need to remain calm and figure out how you did not know this was happening over 18 months. You said you asked him to transfer 15K, which means he has control over savings but not you?

Is it a joint account or in his sole name? If you don't even know what is in the account, are you even in a position to stop his access or even know what is the balance that is left?

You need to regain control and visibility over the balance of your savings.

Crumpleton · 27/05/2023 00:18

Most can pretty much go to the supermarket spend £50 and say there's nothing to show for it, but it'll all be there in front of you.

To admit to you he's spent 37k and totally not known on what is royally taking the absolute piss.

Do you have access to the account, I'd look at bank statements to see if it throws up anything.
But guaranteed he knows exactly where its gone down to the last penny.

caringcarer · 27/05/2023 00:19

He knows exactly where that money is gone. He has had to draw it out FFS. Is it in his name only, is that why you did not notice? He's stolen the start you wanted to give your DC for uni or house deposits. I know I could never forgive or trust him again. I'd guess either bitcoin investing, gambling, porn, OW or OC you don't know about, drugs or he is being blackmailed. I'd demand the bank statements so you can see where it's gone. My first DH and I had a successful business. DH had an affair and took money from business to buy OW expensive jewellery and meals in very expensive restaurants and when he was away on business no longer a Travel Inn but very expensive country hotels/spa and with OW. I did not find out for about 7 months. I was so angry with him. I divorced him. I picked much better the second time I married. Older and wiser.

SarahDippity · 27/05/2023 00:23

Hellno45 · 26/05/2023 23:17

The police won't do anything if its a joint account. They will consider it his money. Morally its very wrong buy not legally.

Is this true, that the police would not do anything? My first thought was to report it as theft or fraud, and to look at whether a criminal charge could be brought, or a civil case to sue. (I don’t know the law so am happy to be put right.)

LuluBlakey1 · 27/05/2023 00:25

£45,000 in 18 months is £2,500 a month. What has he done with that ? You must have noticed.

NumberTheory · 27/05/2023 00:26

Agree with others that he obviously does know where it’s gone and he isn’t telling you because it’s indefensible. Most likely drugs, women or some form of gambling, but possibly something else that’s become a habit in some way. It doesn’t really matter. You should get an STI test just in case. You should check your own credit score and that any other assets are still financially secure. And take steps to secure the assets you still have. Your husband has shown that he will sell out your DCs’ future for his present, so you need to find a way to secure what you can of joint assets that still remain.

In general I’d say this is probably something to divorce over. In your case, since he is clearly still lying about what’s been going on it is the only sensible route forward.

Milkand2sugarsplease · 27/05/2023 00:28

No, the police won't touch it. If it's a joint account, either party has joint access to funds and equal liability to debt.

Jellyx · 27/05/2023 00:30

It's financial infidelity.
Does he have a gambling problems?

Remove all his access to the money until something is resolved.

Hearti · 27/05/2023 00:34

2.5k a month. Ask to see receipts, online purchases, bank statements. It would likely be the end of things for me

TomatoSandwiches · 27/05/2023 00:35

Oh god, I think I'd drown him in his own blood op.
He obviously does know where it's gone, at least the majority, he hasn't been treating himself to too many meal deals and Starbucks at that amount.

It doesn't really matter what it went on it would divorce 100% but I would still need to know.
Get statements, check your own credit rating, mortgage and any other potential investments he may have funnelled it into.
Get an STI check, it will give you some peace of mind or answers at least.

Could you hire someone to do some investigating? There are people that provide services, if he won't tell you this could be an option.

Not telling me would drive me mad tbh.

JeandeServiette · 27/05/2023 00:36

You feel however you feel.

However, there is no possible way that he doesn't know what it's gone on.

JFDIYOLO · 27/05/2023 00:36

Focus:

He knows exactly where he has put your money.

YOUR money. Your CHILDREN'S money.

He is lying.

The possibilities:

Prostitutes
Only Fans / chatlines / camgirls
He's being blackmailed
Secret family
Bitcoin
Gambling
Buying property
Investments
Secret and highly expensive fetish
Altruistic charitable donations
Crime

Your (legal) options:

Write it off and let it go, bless him, he does mean well and people do take advantage (my mother's delusions about her late partner) = it will continue.

Sit and stew and wonder but not say anything = it will continue and your peace of mind as well as the family savings will suffer.

Speak up. Cool, calm, businesslike, focussed, repeated, consistent, insistent statement that you require a satisfactory answer with evidence and audit and explanation. And keep doing it in the face of attempts to lie, deny, deflect, gaslight, wriggle and squirm.

Get an accountant involved. And start paying closer attention to your and your children's money.

Mamanyt · 27/05/2023 00:37

Oh, he knows where it has gone, but he doesn't want you to know where it has gone. He is, apparently, lying. But I've found it typical that when someone will steal (and sneaking money out of shared finances is stealing, regardless of how the law might interpret it), they will also lie, which is, after all, "stealing the truth."

PeopleAreShit · 27/05/2023 00:38

he knows exactly where it has gone sorry

Erdinger · 27/05/2023 00:48

I’m very sorry this has happened to you . Gambling , porn , escorts, other family or building assets for just himself are likely scenarios . He’s not spent all this money on a few fancy suits or nights out .

ASeagullNamedDog · 27/05/2023 00:54

Sorry..

He has lifted money from Premium Bonds. But it was always earmarked for the children

I'm devastated

He doesn't drink, smoke or so drugs

Says it's just gone on "stuff"

Getting fuck all out of him. I'm distraught

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followmyflow · 27/05/2023 01:02

do you have access to the bond accounts/joint accounts? are you able to see any info, transactions etc yourself?

JeandeServiette · 27/05/2023 01:03

ASeagullNamedDog · 27/05/2023 00:54

Sorry..

He has lifted money from Premium Bonds. But it was always earmarked for the children

I'm devastated

He doesn't drink, smoke or so drugs

Says it's just gone on "stuff"

Getting fuck all out of him. I'm distraught

Get your poker face on. Tell him if he doesn't come clean you'll file for divorce and get a forensic accountant in the case. Bluff him.