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What could neighbour have said to make DP cry?

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WhatTheHeal · 09/05/2023 13:38

DP decided to go out and cut the front lawn yesterday, bit odd as it was raining and he hasn’t done it previously as it was raining but he insisted it needed doing, so he went to do it. After about half an hour DS1 went to get a drink in the kitchen and came back and said “Dave is crying in the garden”, I asked if he was sure and he said “yeah, he’s talking to Jill and he looks really upset and he’s crying. Maybe he hurt himself?” DS is autistic and is known to misread emotions etc so I thought he was wrong, but decided to go and check. I looked out the window and DS was right, DP was visibly upset and crying standing on the uncut lawn, talking to the neighbour. She did not seem worried and was still on her side of the fence. I went to let DS1 know I was popping outside to check on him (DS1 was worried and questioning me on why his step dad was so upset, and also DS2 is disabled and can’t be left alone) and we heard the front door open, then close again. I went outside and DP wasn’t there, neighbour was now on the phone so I couldn’t ask her what was up. When I came back inside I realised DP had taken his car key which was by the front door. He absolutely didn’t have that with him when he was going out to mow the lawn as he’s lost keys before and now keeps all keys separate and only takes the ones he needs with him. His car is always parked at the back of the house so I couldn’t go and check as I can’t leave DS1 and DS2 alone for that long so instead I just sent a text to DP “everything okay?”, he didn’t answer. I couldn’t call as he absolutely hates phone calls and we’ve never once spoken on the phone in all our time together, so I knew he wouldn’t answer anyway. About 15 minutes later we hear the mower out the front so I went out to see but DP just kept mowing, he had clearly been crying and still looked very upset. I waited for him to be finished and come back inside and asked him what was up and he said there was nothing wrong and acted completely confused at why I was asking, so I told him I’d seen him crying in the garden, seen him talking to the neighbour then take his car key, I said there was clearly something going on. Again he denied it, said he had been mowing the whole time (over an hour by this point, it’s a very small lawn and he definitely hadn’t even started when I went outside to look for him), didn’t have his car key, didn’t know where it was. He denied being upset or crying, but said he did say a quick hello to the neighbour.

He wasn’t himself for the rest of the day, moody and very short with me. I checked again before bed that he was okay and he said he was just annoyed at having to account for everything he does/every minute of his time and I had annoyed him when he came in from doing the garden. He said I made him feel like he took me too long doing a job which needed doing and told me to leave him alone and went to sleep, he was off with me this morning too and left for work without saying goodbye. He never does this even after an argument. I know he didn’t sleep well and was very restless, he also got up an hour before his alarm and went and sat downstairs. I didn’t bother following him as I knew he would just get more annoyed.

DP never cries, btw. Not ever. He’s very emotionally closed off and never shows emotion in front of anyone, including me. So this is very strange behaviour.

Do I leave it, or ask again?
Should I speak to the neighbour and ask her?

And what could she possibly have said/done to make him cry and upset him for the rest of the day? I know no one can answer this but I’ve gone through so many possibilities in my head and none make any sense.

OP posts:
MsRosley · 12/05/2023 12:56

Good luck with everything, OP. Your kids are very lucky to have you as their mum, and I wish you all the happiness in the world.

diddl · 12/05/2023 12:57

SlightlyJaded · 12/05/2023 10:41

Well done you!!

My dominant thought is that if it was simply infatuation from her, why is he so preoccupied with her age?

And why was she in his phone contacts?

diddl · 12/05/2023 13:00

All of this aside Op, it doesn't seem as if there was much point in him!

SlightlyJaded · 12/05/2023 13:00

@Pegsandsunshine er... yes, exactly the point I was making?? I have read the full thread and referenced your points.

We seem to be at crossed wires. Never mind.

Icouldabeenalawyer · 12/05/2023 13:03

You got this OP 💐

Delatron · 12/05/2023 13:04

Well done OP. You sound very strong.

It really is unlikely that an 18 year old would be obsessed with a middle aged man. More likely something dodgy has happened. She may have only just turned 18. All seems very strange but at least you know now

LadyJ2023 · 12/05/2023 13:13

Erm being autistic myself I would be even more angry and upset that you couldn't just leave it and not constantly have a bee in your bonnet about why a person cries. I rarely show emotions and even when they occasionally pour out and half the time dont even know why they do so someone asking and asking and going on like this would make me close off totally and keep away from you. I dont think your being sensitive and also being a man and going on and on about it is even worse. Fairly sure it will have nothing whatsoever to do with the neighbour and more to do with leave him alone to the point he had to go out he felt so cornered which is exactly what I will do if a stranger goes on at me. Luckily family dont as they know me well and like I said half the time when some emotions suddenly surface we have no idea what they are anyway and don't know how to deal with them

monsteramunch · 12/05/2023 13:15

LadyJ2023 · 12/05/2023 13:13

Erm being autistic myself I would be even more angry and upset that you couldn't just leave it and not constantly have a bee in your bonnet about why a person cries. I rarely show emotions and even when they occasionally pour out and half the time dont even know why they do so someone asking and asking and going on like this would make me close off totally and keep away from you. I dont think your being sensitive and also being a man and going on and on about it is even worse. Fairly sure it will have nothing whatsoever to do with the neighbour and more to do with leave him alone to the point he had to go out he felt so cornered which is exactly what I will do if a stranger goes on at me. Luckily family dont as they know me well and like I said half the time when some emotions suddenly surface we have no idea what they are anyway and don't know how to deal with them

You can use the 'see all' function to read an OP's posts even if you don't want to read the whole thread.

It would have helped you not to post something that now comes across as insensitive.

Aussiegirl88 · 12/05/2023 13:17

Christ, I think you really need to read the thread. or perhaps even OPs updates just to see how wrong you are with your cold hearted comment.

Thighlengthboots · 12/05/2023 13:17

LadyJ2023 · 12/05/2023 13:13

Erm being autistic myself I would be even more angry and upset that you couldn't just leave it and not constantly have a bee in your bonnet about why a person cries. I rarely show emotions and even when they occasionally pour out and half the time dont even know why they do so someone asking and asking and going on like this would make me close off totally and keep away from you. I dont think your being sensitive and also being a man and going on and on about it is even worse. Fairly sure it will have nothing whatsoever to do with the neighbour and more to do with leave him alone to the point he had to go out he felt so cornered which is exactly what I will do if a stranger goes on at me. Luckily family dont as they know me well and like I said half the time when some emotions suddenly surface we have no idea what they are anyway and don't know how to deal with them

I suggest you read the updates. It had everything to do with the neighbour.

bjrce · 12/05/2023 13:19

I would strongly advise you do not post anything thorough your neighbours door or converse with her in any way.

You still don't know the full story and by the last interaction she had with you - it doesn't appear you are going to get anything of value from her.

Just focus on yourself and your two DS!

PinkCast · 12/05/2023 13:21

LadyJ2023 · 12/05/2023 13:13

Erm being autistic myself I would be even more angry and upset that you couldn't just leave it and not constantly have a bee in your bonnet about why a person cries. I rarely show emotions and even when they occasionally pour out and half the time dont even know why they do so someone asking and asking and going on like this would make me close off totally and keep away from you. I dont think your being sensitive and also being a man and going on and on about it is even worse. Fairly sure it will have nothing whatsoever to do with the neighbour and more to do with leave him alone to the point he had to go out he felt so cornered which is exactly what I will do if a stranger goes on at me. Luckily family dont as they know me well and like I said half the time when some emotions suddenly surface we have no idea what they are anyway and don't know how to deal with them

Your family knows you, and how to understand what's normal for you ....
OP knows her DH, and so knows how to understand what's normal or not for him!

And if you'd bothered to read all OP's posts you would know you're completely wrong!

Delatron · 12/05/2023 13:26

LadyJ2023 · 12/05/2023 13:13

Erm being autistic myself I would be even more angry and upset that you couldn't just leave it and not constantly have a bee in your bonnet about why a person cries. I rarely show emotions and even when they occasionally pour out and half the time dont even know why they do so someone asking and asking and going on like this would make me close off totally and keep away from you. I dont think your being sensitive and also being a man and going on and on about it is even worse. Fairly sure it will have nothing whatsoever to do with the neighbour and more to do with leave him alone to the point he had to go out he felt so cornered which is exactly what I will do if a stranger goes on at me. Luckily family dont as they know me well and like I said half the time when some emotions suddenly surface we have no idea what they are anyway and don't know how to deal with them

Don’t you look silly now…

OriginalFloorboards · 12/05/2023 13:47

I’ve been following your thread from the start and I have to say well done on throwing him out. It’s not an easy decision. I’m glad so many posters have given you the strength you have needed and have helped you during this carry on. I just wanted to send you my love and to say you are worth so much more. Hold strong. Come on here as much as you like as there are lots of us that are here willing you through this shit storm he’s dropped on you xx

krustykittens · 12/05/2023 13:48

That is a great update, OP. It is good to hear you are moving forward and having a good time with your boys. Take the money for dinner, he bloody owes you. I am so glad you are not falling for his crap either! No one saves their stalker on their phone with their own personal ring tone!

OriginalFloorboards · 12/05/2023 13:49

krustykittens · 12/05/2023 13:48

That is a great update, OP. It is good to hear you are moving forward and having a good time with your boys. Take the money for dinner, he bloody owes you. I am so glad you are not falling for his crap either! No one saves their stalker on their phone with their own personal ring tone!

Well put!

chocorabbit · 12/05/2023 13:55

Why take a 18 year old neighbour's number, let alone one that is NOT a neighbour but randomly visits her aunt? What am I missing? Plan your finances and how you are going to afford it long term! Flowers

Asuitcase · 12/05/2023 14:01

Sorry if I've misread, but he's a teacher ?

And she could be his student ?

If that's the case no wonder he's shitting himself.

weirdoboelady · 12/05/2023 14:04

Just a solidarity post to say WELL DONE OP! Your kids have a fabulous mum x

Becca123459 · 12/05/2023 14:16

Hi OP - it does sound like you're better off rid of him, as there's clearly something odd going on here. But just to play devil's advocate for a moment - if Gemma genuinely was a crazy stalker, a good reason he may have assigned her a ringtone / text tone could be to alert him not to answer the phone (or read the text) while gathering evidence of her harassments (which he wouldn't have been able to do if he had simply blocked her). The standard advice when being stalked is to gather evidence, and that would be a good way to do this while avoiding accidentally engaging with the stalker. Not saying that's the case here, but certainly plausible.

monsteramunch · 12/05/2023 14:18

Becca123459 · 12/05/2023 14:16

Hi OP - it does sound like you're better off rid of him, as there's clearly something odd going on here. But just to play devil's advocate for a moment - if Gemma genuinely was a crazy stalker, a good reason he may have assigned her a ringtone / text tone could be to alert him not to answer the phone (or read the text) while gathering evidence of her harassments (which he wouldn't have been able to do if he had simply blocked her). The standard advice when being stalked is to gather evidence, and that would be a good way to do this while avoiding accidentally engaging with the stalker. Not saying that's the case here, but certainly plausible.

But what reason would there be for him not confiding in his partner if he was being stalked?

Becca123459 · 12/05/2023 14:20

Possibly a misguided attempt to avoid her worrying? It does seem a pretty serious thing to keep from a loved one

Askil · 12/05/2023 14:29

Pegsandsunshine · 12/05/2023 12:01

Yeah but the stiopulation is that something DID happen between the two of them, if you actually bothered to read the updates he had her phone number saved and kept on touch, teachers as you may be aware usually dont have students' phone numbers with assigned special ringtones on their personal phones...

and if you bothered to, 'read the updates' which including the post you posted on the back of, you would have seen that you are repeating what @SlightlyJaded has already said.

Blondeshavemorefun · 12/05/2023 14:30

Sending very unlike mn love to you 💐

Did make me laugh. He actually rang you - now when relationship is over

Pinkbonbon · 12/05/2023 14:31

Seems like a cut and dry case Of him cheating with the 18 year old niece and telling her he would leave you and then when she found out that was not the case she told her aunt all about it. He has to present her as a 'crazy stalker' in order to stop you asking questions. Not to say she couldn't also be nuts of course.

Maybe she was underage when it started, hense neighbour upsetting him by telling him she'd go to the police if he bothered her more. Because he broke the law.

The no answering call things was a big red flag from the off. Its common in men who are dating several or expect to date several women at once. Incase one calls when they are with the other. It's similar to 'I don't have social media' and finding out they actually do later on. Trying to keep women separate from eachother.

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