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What could neighbour have said to make DP cry?

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WhatTheHeal · 09/05/2023 13:38

DP decided to go out and cut the front lawn yesterday, bit odd as it was raining and he hasn’t done it previously as it was raining but he insisted it needed doing, so he went to do it. After about half an hour DS1 went to get a drink in the kitchen and came back and said “Dave is crying in the garden”, I asked if he was sure and he said “yeah, he’s talking to Jill and he looks really upset and he’s crying. Maybe he hurt himself?” DS is autistic and is known to misread emotions etc so I thought he was wrong, but decided to go and check. I looked out the window and DS was right, DP was visibly upset and crying standing on the uncut lawn, talking to the neighbour. She did not seem worried and was still on her side of the fence. I went to let DS1 know I was popping outside to check on him (DS1 was worried and questioning me on why his step dad was so upset, and also DS2 is disabled and can’t be left alone) and we heard the front door open, then close again. I went outside and DP wasn’t there, neighbour was now on the phone so I couldn’t ask her what was up. When I came back inside I realised DP had taken his car key which was by the front door. He absolutely didn’t have that with him when he was going out to mow the lawn as he’s lost keys before and now keeps all keys separate and only takes the ones he needs with him. His car is always parked at the back of the house so I couldn’t go and check as I can’t leave DS1 and DS2 alone for that long so instead I just sent a text to DP “everything okay?”, he didn’t answer. I couldn’t call as he absolutely hates phone calls and we’ve never once spoken on the phone in all our time together, so I knew he wouldn’t answer anyway. About 15 minutes later we hear the mower out the front so I went out to see but DP just kept mowing, he had clearly been crying and still looked very upset. I waited for him to be finished and come back inside and asked him what was up and he said there was nothing wrong and acted completely confused at why I was asking, so I told him I’d seen him crying in the garden, seen him talking to the neighbour then take his car key, I said there was clearly something going on. Again he denied it, said he had been mowing the whole time (over an hour by this point, it’s a very small lawn and he definitely hadn’t even started when I went outside to look for him), didn’t have his car key, didn’t know where it was. He denied being upset or crying, but said he did say a quick hello to the neighbour.

He wasn’t himself for the rest of the day, moody and very short with me. I checked again before bed that he was okay and he said he was just annoyed at having to account for everything he does/every minute of his time and I had annoyed him when he came in from doing the garden. He said I made him feel like he took me too long doing a job which needed doing and told me to leave him alone and went to sleep, he was off with me this morning too and left for work without saying goodbye. He never does this even after an argument. I know he didn’t sleep well and was very restless, he also got up an hour before his alarm and went and sat downstairs. I didn’t bother following him as I knew he would just get more annoyed.

DP never cries, btw. Not ever. He’s very emotionally closed off and never shows emotion in front of anyone, including me. So this is very strange behaviour.

Do I leave it, or ask again?
Should I speak to the neighbour and ask her?

And what could she possibly have said/done to make him cry and upset him for the rest of the day? I know no one can answer this but I’ve gone through so many possibilities in my head and none make any sense.

OP posts:
krustykittens · 11/05/2023 11:45

I am sorry, OP, what a shitty, shitty situation he has created and for the pain he has caused you. Well done on telling him to get to fuck, though.

Personally, I wouldn't write anything to the neighbour - I would just say next time I saw her that he was gone and there won't be any hassle from anyone in your house and leave it at that.

Sammyandtheboocas · 11/05/2023 11:46

Playing devils advocate about 'Neighbour Jill' , she may have been in a really difficult position and been dead set against the affair, but has been dragged into it due to it being a family member.

The conversations that the OP saw with her DH may have been constant warnings and statements of her not wanting to be involved in it, whilst the DH saw her as a go between.

The tears may have been a result of an ' enoughs enough, I'm going to out this whole thing' and the DH saw his nice cosy cake and eat it situation disappearing, the loss of his bit on the side and possible revenge by 'Gemmas' family. Selfish tears, in other words.

Her frostiness to the OP may have been out of guilt and embarrassment .

JuanFanjo · 11/05/2023 11:53

I'm really really sorry this is the answer OP
Now you know what he has been doing on all those "Hobby"nights.
And get more indignant that he willl NOT speak to you on the phone but Gemma has her own ringtone!! The absolute FUCKER.
Best rid of him.

Laurapb88 · 11/05/2023 11:59

I think the ring tone thing is so he doesn't answer where he can be caught or not look at text when he's with op, I'm sorry you're going through this

Mumof4alsoabonus · 11/05/2023 12:05

Armed with the ‘knowledge’ you now have I would go back to the neighbour, try to get the real story. Tell her he has said her cousin is harassing him and causing criminal damage etc, see what she has to say.

nowinhouse · 11/05/2023 12:19

Now you have kicked him out go and ask jill what was actually going on. If you have binned him she is more
Likely to tell you.

nowinhouse · 11/05/2023 12:22

Ferferksake · 11/05/2023 11:36

If she's young she will have been looking at him all doe-eyed. Young infatuation and he took full advantage.

He probably promised her that he'd leave you, but then said he couldn't because you were a bit crazy and claim that when he tried to mention it you threatened to go after her and her family.

She's started to realise he's taking the piss and broke the mirror. She's laid down an ultimatum or she's going to spill the beans to you (maybe because she's pregnant) so he's in floods of tears. He has a nice cozy set up and doesn't want to upset the status quo. Currently a nice relaxed home life with the freedom to act like a bachelor and play the field. He doesn't want to play house with a girl young enough to be his daughter, he only wanted to shag her.

Next door neighbour has heard you're a crazy bunny boiler so tells you to keep clear.

That all seems like the most likely scenario to me.

Get your locks changed.

Write a note to Jill and pop it through her door when she's out. Something just letting her know that after you saw him in the garden crying and then he acted odd later, you realised something was wrong, which is why you spoke to her in case he'd confided in her. After speaking to her you realised that something had been going off so you confronted him. Although you don't know exactly what was going off because he never came clean about it and told you a story about a girl called Gemma stalking him, you could tell he was lying and so you've thrown him out and he won't be coming back. Tell her you're not sure what tales he will have told about you either, but you don't care. You don't blame her and don't hold any grudges against her or her family. You won't be bothering or confronting anybody.

This is a good plan.

CrotchetyQuaver · 11/05/2023 12:23

I'm sorry it's all panned out as it has, my first thought was an affair too. I don't think he's told you the whole truth.

I would work in your neighbour, no doubt she's been fed a pack of lies about you by him either directly or indirectly and you attempting a fresh start with her might turn out to be helpful for both of you. I'd certainly tell her that he's left and won't be coming back.

All the best

amusedbush · 11/05/2023 12:27

I'm sorry OP, what a horrible situation.

He's so predictable I could weep, though. Any man who refers to an ex as crazy/psycho/a stalker is a walking red flag. Coincidentally, I'm listening to Mad Woman by Taylor Swift and the lyrics are "No-one likes a mad woman... you made her like that. You poke that bear 'til her claws come out, then you find something to wrap your noose around".

The broken wing mirror isn't great but very few women start out "psycho". These men push them to the brink by lying and manipulating, then use the inevitable reaction to make themselves look like the victim.

PurelyBelter · 11/05/2023 12:32

She's laid down an ultimatum or she's going to spill the beans to you (maybe because she's pregnant) so he's in floods of tears.
While I agree with the vast majority of your post @Ferferksake adding wild speculation like this is helpful how? You have no idea if she is pregnant and OP doesn’t need to now have that added to her worries.

Humanbiology · 11/05/2023 12:34

SchoolTripDrama · 11/05/2023 01:53

@Feetinthemudandleaves So because a man cried when talking to a neighbour and won't tell his partner why, that is SO bizarre to you that it 'must be fictitious' 🙄 Do you troll hunters never give up?!

It's hardly far fetched is it?! Man (very likely) has affair with neighbour and gaslights his missus about it. It's a situation MILLIONS of women have been in ffs!

Not far fetched at all. Here's a story 2 women who are next-door neighbours and 1 man who is in prison. Anyway, the 2 women have children with him 2 with one woman and the other woman is pregnant. What a complicated situation that is when he gets out which house should he live in they both have his children and they live next door to each other. That is crazy.

Hellno45 · 11/05/2023 12:36

I'm sorry @WhatTheHeal. He's a cheating arsehole trying to spin the crazy and deranged stalker line. What a tosser.

butterpuffed · 11/05/2023 12:40

None of us know how old the niece actually is . As he's never let you ring him in 4 years , perhaps she has been with him all this time and didn't know about you either but has now found out and this is why it's all kicked off .

Getupat8amnow · 11/05/2023 12:43

I haven’t read the entire thread but apologies if this has already been said. I think he has been stalking Gemma, either at the end of their affair if they had one and she finished it OR he has taken a liking to her, become infatuated and has been stalking her. Jill the neighbour has warned him off with police involvement if he doesn’t stop hence why he suddenly decided to mow the grass in the rain because he realised Gemma was at Jill’s house, Jill comes out to warn him off and he gets upset. It would explain why he told the OP that they are setting him up, he is trying to cover his tracks. Well done OP for having the self esteem to get rid of this awful man.

GalileoHumpkins · 11/05/2023 12:43

FancyFanny · 11/05/2023 07:19

Yes, he's been having an affair with an underage girl who is now threatening to go public that he's a pervert.

LTB!

Fucking hell, you're all loving this, aren't you?

Humanbiology · 11/05/2023 12:45

PurelyBelter · 11/05/2023 12:32

She's laid down an ultimatum or she's going to spill the beans to you (maybe because she's pregnant) so he's in floods of tears.
While I agree with the vast majority of your post @Ferferksake adding wild speculation like this is helpful how? You have no idea if she is pregnant and OP doesn’t need to now have that added to her worries.

If she chooses to have him back then it will be in her interests to know. Gemma will have every right to child support from him and that will mean less family money. If she is pregnant would he want to bring up someone else's children or his own?

Finding a good man who will also accept your children as part of the package is like finding a needle in a haystack. The op is with a fool and she should be more concerned about her children and what her son was subjected to when he saw him crying in the garden.

WilsonMilson · 11/05/2023 12:53

Well, well, well. What a surprise, the old ‘crazy stalker’ defence. He’s not a very imaginative liar, is he?

It’s almost pathetic the way he thought that giving you a phone clearly wiped (badly) of incriminating evidence was somehow going to work out well for him.

You are SO well rid of this absolute dick. I wonder if any of his hobbies actually existed, or if it was all him getting his end away with young girls? Urgh. The fact that he never answered your calls makes me think that he was spinning all sorts of stories to other women. Well, it’s finally caught up with the idiot now.

You deserve so much more op, be thankful that it was 4 years and not 20! And thanks to your perceptive son, without him spotting the crying, who knows how long this would have gone on for!

Throwncrumbs · 11/05/2023 12:57

His version is a watered down one of where he’s innocent and there’s someone stalking him. The real story he won’t tell you but ndn knows and I wouldn’t be able to let it go. I would be knocking on her door and telling her what he has told you. He’s obviously told her a load of shite too. Going forward you know you can do this alone because that’s what you have been doing the whole time you have been with him, in fact it will be easier because you won’t have this lying asswipe to care for. You sound a fantastic mum who deserves so much more than some bloke who is never there and can’t even be bothered to speak to you on the phone! This Gemma has probably realised that he’s a weirdo and has dumped him( if this ever was a relationship and not just him stalking her). Good luck!

ferntwist · 11/05/2023 13:22

You sound so strong OP. Good for you!

Why would a young girl stalk a middle aged bloke? He’s talking rubbish to cover his tracks. What a weak story

lemmein · 11/05/2023 13:41

Have you googled his name OP? Or done a FB search on his name?

NewChange · 11/05/2023 13:44

Hope you manage to kick him out and rebuild your life OP Your neighbour sounds a bit of an arse too TBH

momtoboys · 11/05/2023 13:47

I’m sorry your life has blown up like this. You deserve so much better. Take care of you.

NeedToChangeName · 11/05/2023 13:57

Ferferksake · 11/05/2023 11:36

If she's young she will have been looking at him all doe-eyed. Young infatuation and he took full advantage.

He probably promised her that he'd leave you, but then said he couldn't because you were a bit crazy and claim that when he tried to mention it you threatened to go after her and her family.

She's started to realise he's taking the piss and broke the mirror. She's laid down an ultimatum or she's going to spill the beans to you (maybe because she's pregnant) so he's in floods of tears. He has a nice cozy set up and doesn't want to upset the status quo. Currently a nice relaxed home life with the freedom to act like a bachelor and play the field. He doesn't want to play house with a girl young enough to be his daughter, he only wanted to shag her.

Next door neighbour has heard you're a crazy bunny boiler so tells you to keep clear.

That all seems like the most likely scenario to me.

Get your locks changed.

Write a note to Jill and pop it through her door when she's out. Something just letting her know that after you saw him in the garden crying and then he acted odd later, you realised something was wrong, which is why you spoke to her in case he'd confided in her. After speaking to her you realised that something had been going off so you confronted him. Although you don't know exactly what was going off because he never came clean about it and told you a story about a girl called Gemma stalking him, you could tell he was lying and so you've thrown him out and he won't be coming back. Tell her you're not sure what tales he will have told about you either, but you don't care. You don't blame her and don't hold any grudges against her or her family. You won't be bothering or confronting anybody.

@Ferferksake I think this is really good advice, with the exception of "change the locks" and "tell Jill that exP won't be coming back". If he has occupancy rights, then he may be entitled to return

OP this is a horrible situation for you, but stay strong

Ormally · 11/05/2023 14:01

So sorry. The only other semi-comparable situation I knew of like this was fairly similar, with the younger person pregnant alongside the family in which the guy was living. Even her mum knew about it and was not spilling the beans / possibly waiting for waster partner to come clean. She overheard a phonecall - of her mum's.

I was going to post but reviewed that situation and hoped it was a very rare thing that would be unlikely to play out again so I'd be being too dramatic. So horrible. I wish you so much better.

Chocrock · 11/05/2023 14:02

I am so sorry OP you deserve better. I hope you have some support to see you through the next few weeks.

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