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What could neighbour have said to make DP cry?

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WhatTheHeal · 09/05/2023 13:38

DP decided to go out and cut the front lawn yesterday, bit odd as it was raining and he hasn’t done it previously as it was raining but he insisted it needed doing, so he went to do it. After about half an hour DS1 went to get a drink in the kitchen and came back and said “Dave is crying in the garden”, I asked if he was sure and he said “yeah, he’s talking to Jill and he looks really upset and he’s crying. Maybe he hurt himself?” DS is autistic and is known to misread emotions etc so I thought he was wrong, but decided to go and check. I looked out the window and DS was right, DP was visibly upset and crying standing on the uncut lawn, talking to the neighbour. She did not seem worried and was still on her side of the fence. I went to let DS1 know I was popping outside to check on him (DS1 was worried and questioning me on why his step dad was so upset, and also DS2 is disabled and can’t be left alone) and we heard the front door open, then close again. I went outside and DP wasn’t there, neighbour was now on the phone so I couldn’t ask her what was up. When I came back inside I realised DP had taken his car key which was by the front door. He absolutely didn’t have that with him when he was going out to mow the lawn as he’s lost keys before and now keeps all keys separate and only takes the ones he needs with him. His car is always parked at the back of the house so I couldn’t go and check as I can’t leave DS1 and DS2 alone for that long so instead I just sent a text to DP “everything okay?”, he didn’t answer. I couldn’t call as he absolutely hates phone calls and we’ve never once spoken on the phone in all our time together, so I knew he wouldn’t answer anyway. About 15 minutes later we hear the mower out the front so I went out to see but DP just kept mowing, he had clearly been crying and still looked very upset. I waited for him to be finished and come back inside and asked him what was up and he said there was nothing wrong and acted completely confused at why I was asking, so I told him I’d seen him crying in the garden, seen him talking to the neighbour then take his car key, I said there was clearly something going on. Again he denied it, said he had been mowing the whole time (over an hour by this point, it’s a very small lawn and he definitely hadn’t even started when I went outside to look for him), didn’t have his car key, didn’t know where it was. He denied being upset or crying, but said he did say a quick hello to the neighbour.

He wasn’t himself for the rest of the day, moody and very short with me. I checked again before bed that he was okay and he said he was just annoyed at having to account for everything he does/every minute of his time and I had annoyed him when he came in from doing the garden. He said I made him feel like he took me too long doing a job which needed doing and told me to leave him alone and went to sleep, he was off with me this morning too and left for work without saying goodbye. He never does this even after an argument. I know he didn’t sleep well and was very restless, he also got up an hour before his alarm and went and sat downstairs. I didn’t bother following him as I knew he would just get more annoyed.

DP never cries, btw. Not ever. He’s very emotionally closed off and never shows emotion in front of anyone, including me. So this is very strange behaviour.

Do I leave it, or ask again?
Should I speak to the neighbour and ask her?

And what could she possibly have said/done to make him cry and upset him for the rest of the day? I know no one can answer this but I’ve gone through so many possibilities in my head and none make any sense.

OP posts:
Redebs · 11/05/2023 14:31

OP I'm so sorry. This is awful.
At least he didn't make a fuss about leaving.
Maybe a note to next door explaining that you had no idea what was going on, but that he has gone now.

Catlord · 11/05/2023 14:49

I doubt you'll ever get the unabridged truth, at least from him, but I'm glad you have at least some idea of what's been going on. Also glad he's left quietly and hopefully will leave you alone now.

If you wanted to know the truth maybe say when you next see Jill 'I've no axe to grind with you or your family, I know roughly what has happened but as you can imagine it is a very one sided version of the truth. If you would consider giving me yours then it would be appreciated. The buck stops with Dave and he is gone so this is purely for my understanding. I'm not interested in dragging discussions out or looking for trouble'.

Obviously impossible to say for sure from the outside but his behaviour and version of events would probably be enough for me personally to move on without knowing what exactly had happened. You know he's not a decent man now and you deserve better

katemulberrybush · 11/05/2023 14:49

Sorry to hear this news

I feel sorry for neighbour too. Must be stressful for her

Now he's gone, can you knock and ask her
For a chat? Find out the facts?

Catlord · 11/05/2023 14:50

I wouldn't leave a note btw. Sounds like Jill has been put in a difficult position and will probably ignore it.

AcrossthePond55 · 11/05/2023 14:54

He's gone and that's good. The bottom line is that he is not trustworthy, no matter what the 'real' story is, because his story (or lack of a cohesive one) makes no sense.

I wouldn't communicate with the neighbour at all in future and I certainly wouldn't give her some sort of 'update' that you've separated. She's asked that she and her family be 'left out of it' and I'd respect that. She doesn't need to know the ins and outs of your marriage or what's happened to it.

Do remember though, that often the men who meekly leave in the heat of things are also the men who may eventually justify themselves to themselves and start making demands including 'it's my house I will live in it' or start trying to worm their way back by gaslighting and trying to affix blame elsewhere.

So just be strong and make your own plans. Start thinking about what you want your new life to look like. And if you can, confide in someone IRL. Someone you trust implicitly to keep your confidence. Having someone to lean on if/when he tries to bully or crawl his way back can be invaluable.

Redebs · 11/05/2023 15:00

The reason for the note to the neighbour would be to reassure her that she's not going to be ambushed by him mowing in the rain or any other such nonsense, but I guess she'll work it out once his car isn't there any more.

MadamTullahbell · 11/05/2023 15:11

I’m so sorry OP! You really do deserve better. He’s an prick to have treated you like this and hopefully one day you’ll be able to look back and see it was the start of a better new life for you x

Booklover40 · 11/05/2023 16:25

So glad you didn’t let it lie and listened to your instincts OP. Always listen to your gut.

(are all those doubters and “oh you’re so mean to keep haranguing the poor man” posters going to come back and apologise to the OP now btw?)

It seems Occam’s razor/wisdom of crowds was correct this time. I seriously doubt Gemma is a mad stalker - more likely he’s harassing her. The ndn obviously didn’t want to get involved but probably warned your dp to stay away from her niece. Then poor man-child got upset coz he wasn’t getting to have his cake and eat it anymore.

You’ll be ok OP. Stay strong when he comes begging you to take him back wont you?

He is one GIGANTIC bellend!

SheilaWilcox · 11/05/2023 16:45

Sorry you're going through this OP.
You must feel shit right now, but I'm strangely excited for you. I have a feeling that once you are through this, your life is going to feel so much better than it has for years.

DMLady · 11/05/2023 17:07

So sorry you have to go through this, OP, and hope you have plenty of support. X

Napoleonsjosephine · 11/05/2023 17:20

Well at least you also know now why she didn’t speak to you, only him, as he’s a stalker sex pest and she’s had to deal with it and she’s felt you’ve enough to deal with.

personally I’d be round there asking her, I suspect there is a lot more to this than you know, it could even be her he’s been hassling and he’s invented the niece, it certainly wasn’t the other way round, either was harassing him.

hut yeah I’d be round there with a bottle of wine and asking for the info

JimnJoyce · 11/05/2023 17:28

I think @Catlord has a great approach to this

CakeBeautifulCake · 11/05/2023 17:32

Thinking of you OP ❤️

BishopRock · 11/05/2023 17:42

Laurapb88 · 11/05/2023 11:59

I think the ring tone thing is so he doesn't answer where he can be caught or not look at text when he's with op, I'm sorry you're going through this

Not only that but considering he won't phone OP and forbids her from ringing him, it wouldn't surprise me if there's been a lot of "Gemmas", all with unique ring and text tones. And some of them think he's single. As perhaps Gemma did until it turned out her relative lives next door to him.

Chamelion · 11/05/2023 17:51

I think “Grace” is the neighbour. He just changed her name on his phone. There’s no cousin. But I presume it doesn’t matter now but remember that your neighbour is potentially the OW.

Chamelion · 11/05/2023 17:53

Redebs · 11/05/2023 15:00

The reason for the note to the neighbour would be to reassure her that she's not going to be ambushed by him mowing in the rain or any other such nonsense, but I guess she'll work it out once his car isn't there any more.

I think the neighbour is “Gemma”. The stalking is a lie. And she cut off the affair.

MsDogLady · 11/05/2023 18:05

How are you doing today, @WhatTheHeal? Has Dave tried to contact you?

KTSl1964 · 11/05/2023 18:42

Thinking about you. 🌺

Lostmum2407 · 11/05/2023 19:02

Chamelion · 11/05/2023 17:53

I think the neighbour is “Gemma”. The stalking is a lie. And she cut off the affair.

I agree!

CherryCokeFanatic · 11/05/2023 19:08

Any update OP?

ejbaxa · 11/05/2023 19:13

Approach the neighbour in person and start with:

im sorry to bother you, I know dp has been awful, but please could you tell me the truth of the matter as I know he’s lying and think I’ll leave him

StaunchMomma · 11/05/2023 19:24

Really sorry that this worked out badly for you, OP but I do think this is a positive in the long run.

Cheaters will always cheat and aside from that he sounded like a gaslighting arse.

Well rid, lovely,

Birchtrees · 11/05/2023 19:28

ejbaxa · 11/05/2023 19:13

Approach the neighbour in person and start with:

im sorry to bother you, I know dp has been awful, but please could you tell me the truth of the matter as I know he’s lying and think I’ll leave him

This

Xenia · 11/05/2023 19:37

Neighbour wants to be kept out of it so do not communicate with them. Decide what you want to do.

As DP not husband is mentioned the legal position if a split happens is very different. However either way married or not make sure you have possession of all document inclyding children's passports if you have them and latest statements of all bank accounts/ pensions/ work pay slips etc of partner in case a legal split happens. Ideally pay for an hour of legal advice from a solicitor too if a split is likely that is permanent.

Chatillon · 11/05/2023 20:04

Good luck in the future OP. Some musings.

  • Don't settle for second best.
  • DP was neither a darling nor a partner - Look at the OED definitions.
  • Splitting up is like a firework going off - the anticipation of the bang (eyes tight shut, compressed spine) is worse than the bang itself (...Ooh!....Aahh!).
  • The rest of your life starts today.

My favourite - Today is the tomorrow you are worried about yesterday and all is well.

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