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What could neighbour have said to make DP cry?

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WhatTheHeal · 09/05/2023 13:38

DP decided to go out and cut the front lawn yesterday, bit odd as it was raining and he hasn’t done it previously as it was raining but he insisted it needed doing, so he went to do it. After about half an hour DS1 went to get a drink in the kitchen and came back and said “Dave is crying in the garden”, I asked if he was sure and he said “yeah, he’s talking to Jill and he looks really upset and he’s crying. Maybe he hurt himself?” DS is autistic and is known to misread emotions etc so I thought he was wrong, but decided to go and check. I looked out the window and DS was right, DP was visibly upset and crying standing on the uncut lawn, talking to the neighbour. She did not seem worried and was still on her side of the fence. I went to let DS1 know I was popping outside to check on him (DS1 was worried and questioning me on why his step dad was so upset, and also DS2 is disabled and can’t be left alone) and we heard the front door open, then close again. I went outside and DP wasn’t there, neighbour was now on the phone so I couldn’t ask her what was up. When I came back inside I realised DP had taken his car key which was by the front door. He absolutely didn’t have that with him when he was going out to mow the lawn as he’s lost keys before and now keeps all keys separate and only takes the ones he needs with him. His car is always parked at the back of the house so I couldn’t go and check as I can’t leave DS1 and DS2 alone for that long so instead I just sent a text to DP “everything okay?”, he didn’t answer. I couldn’t call as he absolutely hates phone calls and we’ve never once spoken on the phone in all our time together, so I knew he wouldn’t answer anyway. About 15 minutes later we hear the mower out the front so I went out to see but DP just kept mowing, he had clearly been crying and still looked very upset. I waited for him to be finished and come back inside and asked him what was up and he said there was nothing wrong and acted completely confused at why I was asking, so I told him I’d seen him crying in the garden, seen him talking to the neighbour then take his car key, I said there was clearly something going on. Again he denied it, said he had been mowing the whole time (over an hour by this point, it’s a very small lawn and he definitely hadn’t even started when I went outside to look for him), didn’t have his car key, didn’t know where it was. He denied being upset or crying, but said he did say a quick hello to the neighbour.

He wasn’t himself for the rest of the day, moody and very short with me. I checked again before bed that he was okay and he said he was just annoyed at having to account for everything he does/every minute of his time and I had annoyed him when he came in from doing the garden. He said I made him feel like he took me too long doing a job which needed doing and told me to leave him alone and went to sleep, he was off with me this morning too and left for work without saying goodbye. He never does this even after an argument. I know he didn’t sleep well and was very restless, he also got up an hour before his alarm and went and sat downstairs. I didn’t bother following him as I knew he would just get more annoyed.

DP never cries, btw. Not ever. He’s very emotionally closed off and never shows emotion in front of anyone, including me. So this is very strange behaviour.

Do I leave it, or ask again?
Should I speak to the neighbour and ask her?

And what could she possibly have said/done to make him cry and upset him for the rest of the day? I know no one can answer this but I’ve gone through so many possibilities in my head and none make any sense.

OP posts:
JulieHoney · 12/05/2023 11:02

You’re doing brilliantly, stay strong 💪

EmmaGrundyForPM · 12/05/2023 11:08

OP you are amazing. I'm.so sorry this is happening to you.

Some men are just shits

Thighlengthboots · 12/05/2023 11:08

Take the cash OP! I would.

Well done- you are handling this with so much courage and dignity.

Isnt it funny how now he can suddenly deign himself to ring you, when HE wants something, when he never did before for any of your needs. You are seriously so well rid of this absolute selfish prick. Stay strong x

ClawedButler · 12/05/2023 11:12

Seriously well done for putting yourself and your boys first.

EVEN IF he's telling the truth about her stalking him (which I doubt), he has still lied to your face, shut you out, and made YOU the bad guy "looking for an argument".

swayingpalmtree · 12/05/2023 11:16

yeah, I dont believe for one second he is genuinely being stalked and has done nothing wrong. If this were the case, why lie about it if he is the victim? If I was being stalked by someone the first person I'd tell would be my partner as in "I'm a bit freaked out, this guy is doing xyz- what do you think we should do?" etc and then we'd discuss it.

If he is completely innocent he wouldnt have lied about it and she certainly wouldnt have a special ring tone in his phone- he would have blocked her by now. What a lying piece of shit.

Fairylights7 · 12/05/2023 11:18

You are amazing OP, took a huge amount of bravery to respond to his nonsense, your two sons are so very lucky to have you in their lives. Be PROUD of yourself, I think you are fab xx

ApolloandDaphne · 12/05/2023 11:19

Well done for staying strong. Have a good weekend.

GoodChat · 12/05/2023 11:21

Anyway we exchanged a few messages, he’s assured me this girl is 18.

So not really 'an adult, old enough to know better' in the way he claimed.

Why would he need to be so insistent she was 18 if he hadn't done anything untoward?

Alargeoneplease89 · 12/05/2023 11:24

Well done, You're amazing.

5128gap · 12/05/2023 11:27

Your update clearly indicates a woman who has a weight off her shoulders. You've been able to relax with your children, because the worst has happened and you've dealt with it excellently.
Subconsciously we pick up on such a lot and can live in a state of vague discomfort and unease that something is amiss, without putting our finger on what.
Now you know what that is, and you've removed it so decisively, it's like pulling a splinter out that's been chafing you for ages.
Good luck with your next steps OP.

MeridianB · 12/05/2023 11:30

Well done, OP. You’re doing brilliantly.

Topi226 · 12/05/2023 11:43

OP I'm sorry to hear this. My heart sank reading about him saying she's crazy and a stalker. I have been in a very similar position and obviously it wasn't the case.
If your son didn't see him crying would you have ever found out?.
I'd send a letter through neighbours letter box. Explaining that you don't wish to cause drama in their family and you don't need to know who this girl is, but you need closure and would like to know what happened. That if it was this woman's partner surely she would want to know.

Tellmeimcrazy · 12/05/2023 11:45

Gosh, imagine if OPs son hadn't seen her partner crying. Thank goodness it's all out now.

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Shapemyeyebrows · 12/05/2023 11:54

@WhatTheHeal He has definitely got himself mixed up in something very strange. An 18 year old? And he has her number in his phone with an assigned ring tone. He isn’t even giving you the respect of telling you the truth, he really does sound like a wrong un! I dread to think what the full truth is but he’s clearly got himself involved with a young girl. When a man is caught out it’s so common for them to label the other woman a stalker / psycho / crazy. And isn’t it always strange that they never seem to tell their spouse or the police about this stalker they have had for ages?! I really think when everything has settled down you and your boys will be so much happier without him. From what you have said I really don’t get a good vibe about him and sounds like he wasn’t contributing much to your relationship anyway.

SlightlyJaded · 12/05/2023 11:54

@Pegsandsunshine

Not if he has behaved entirely appropriately. Otherwise every teacher in the UK would be in trouble.

And that's my point really. If 'Gemma' was infatuated with him and he had done nothing to encourage or act on it - her age would not matter.

The fact that he is keen to stress that she isn't underage suggests otherwise. As does everything else really - the stored number, the tears, the neighbour's response, the whole sorry shit show.

Also OP you said he was keen to stress that she is 18. You didn't say over 18. You allude to you stbxdp being late 30s. In which case additionally 🤮

You keep going OP. You're doing brilliantly.

Shapemyeyebrows · 12/05/2023 11:56

@WhatTheHeal I also would be tempted to post a note through your neighbours door saying this is the last time she will hear from you but that your partner has said X and Y about Gemma and you would appreciate the truth from her as she clearly knows more about the situation than you do

Sallyh87 · 12/05/2023 11:59

Well done! Soon he will be fully out of your life x

Pegsandsunshine · 12/05/2023 12:01

SlightlyJaded · 12/05/2023 11:54

@Pegsandsunshine

Not if he has behaved entirely appropriately. Otherwise every teacher in the UK would be in trouble.

And that's my point really. If 'Gemma' was infatuated with him and he had done nothing to encourage or act on it - her age would not matter.

The fact that he is keen to stress that she isn't underage suggests otherwise. As does everything else really - the stored number, the tears, the neighbour's response, the whole sorry shit show.

Also OP you said he was keen to stress that she is 18. You didn't say over 18. You allude to you stbxdp being late 30s. In which case additionally 🤮

You keep going OP. You're doing brilliantly.

Yeah but the stiopulation is that something DID happen between the two of them, if you actually bothered to read the updates he had her phone number saved and kept on touch, teachers as you may be aware usually dont have students' phone numbers with assigned special ringtones on their personal phones...

GirlOfTudor · 12/05/2023 12:01

I just wanted to check in as I've been reading your updates and hoping youre doing okay.

You sound like a fabulous mum, making sure your kids are happy and feel emotionally safe. The hotel sounds like fun for them and will be a treat for you.

Yes the sti tests are accurate as they're sent out by the health service. They'll be in contact quickly if there's any worry.

By the way, do you own or rent your house?

Good luck with everything, you'll be just fine 💗

Xenia · 12/05/2023 12:15

It sounds as clear as mud so I hope all parties - wife, husband, neighbour and the 18 year old have a chance to submit facts.

Flowertight · 12/05/2023 12:21

How old is he? If somewhat middle aged I wouldn’t be reassured the girl was 18 - whilst legal it’s practically a child and incredibly gross. Especially if it’s been going on a while since 16/17.

HeidiUpTheMountain · 12/05/2023 12:47

You are doing fabulously, OP, and I am proud of you from over here!

I will say that his insistence that the young person involved is definitely 18 has a ring of ‘We didn’t burn him!’ about it. I think it’s odds on that this has been going on since before she was 18, and that’s part of why your neighbour is so disgusted. If you can think back to and pinpoint when she first started being off with you, that’s clearly when she found out about it first - not to say that it wasn’t going on before, in secret. How sordid.

You and your lovely boys deserve a better man around than this piece of dross, but you already know that! Have a super weekend, just you three.

JFDIYOLO · 12/05/2023 12:48

Well done, op!

💐👏💐👏💐👏💐👏💐👏💐

You've clearly lifted up a rock and shone a bright light on something ugly.

It's crap, but it's better to know the truth.

You're doing magnificently, no wallowing, self deception or pandering to his behaviour there!

Have a lovely trip with the children - the good, true, decent focus of your attention. Not whatever creepy clandestine mess he's sneaking around in.

I'd agree with setting out your side calmly and politely in writing to your neighbour. It looks like she may have stepped in to protect a barely adult relative from him and may see you as part of him.

All the best

Beaverbridge · 12/05/2023 12:49

Go you, I think you are marvellous. Putting you and your lovely sons first. I'd take the money and treat yourselves. You deserve it. Good riddance to him. 💐💐💐.

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