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What could neighbour have said to make DP cry?

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WhatTheHeal · 09/05/2023 13:38

DP decided to go out and cut the front lawn yesterday, bit odd as it was raining and he hasn’t done it previously as it was raining but he insisted it needed doing, so he went to do it. After about half an hour DS1 went to get a drink in the kitchen and came back and said “Dave is crying in the garden”, I asked if he was sure and he said “yeah, he’s talking to Jill and he looks really upset and he’s crying. Maybe he hurt himself?” DS is autistic and is known to misread emotions etc so I thought he was wrong, but decided to go and check. I looked out the window and DS was right, DP was visibly upset and crying standing on the uncut lawn, talking to the neighbour. She did not seem worried and was still on her side of the fence. I went to let DS1 know I was popping outside to check on him (DS1 was worried and questioning me on why his step dad was so upset, and also DS2 is disabled and can’t be left alone) and we heard the front door open, then close again. I went outside and DP wasn’t there, neighbour was now on the phone so I couldn’t ask her what was up. When I came back inside I realised DP had taken his car key which was by the front door. He absolutely didn’t have that with him when he was going out to mow the lawn as he’s lost keys before and now keeps all keys separate and only takes the ones he needs with him. His car is always parked at the back of the house so I couldn’t go and check as I can’t leave DS1 and DS2 alone for that long so instead I just sent a text to DP “everything okay?”, he didn’t answer. I couldn’t call as he absolutely hates phone calls and we’ve never once spoken on the phone in all our time together, so I knew he wouldn’t answer anyway. About 15 minutes later we hear the mower out the front so I went out to see but DP just kept mowing, he had clearly been crying and still looked very upset. I waited for him to be finished and come back inside and asked him what was up and he said there was nothing wrong and acted completely confused at why I was asking, so I told him I’d seen him crying in the garden, seen him talking to the neighbour then take his car key, I said there was clearly something going on. Again he denied it, said he had been mowing the whole time (over an hour by this point, it’s a very small lawn and he definitely hadn’t even started when I went outside to look for him), didn’t have his car key, didn’t know where it was. He denied being upset or crying, but said he did say a quick hello to the neighbour.

He wasn’t himself for the rest of the day, moody and very short with me. I checked again before bed that he was okay and he said he was just annoyed at having to account for everything he does/every minute of his time and I had annoyed him when he came in from doing the garden. He said I made him feel like he took me too long doing a job which needed doing and told me to leave him alone and went to sleep, he was off with me this morning too and left for work without saying goodbye. He never does this even after an argument. I know he didn’t sleep well and was very restless, he also got up an hour before his alarm and went and sat downstairs. I didn’t bother following him as I knew he would just get more annoyed.

DP never cries, btw. Not ever. He’s very emotionally closed off and never shows emotion in front of anyone, including me. So this is very strange behaviour.

Do I leave it, or ask again?
Should I speak to the neighbour and ask her?

And what could she possibly have said/done to make him cry and upset him for the rest of the day? I know no one can answer this but I’ve gone through so many possibilities in my head and none make any sense.

OP posts:
Chamelion · 09/05/2023 14:41

Napoleonsjosephine · 09/05/2023 14:30

Sorry op, to add, I’d assume he went to cut the grass as an excuse ro be out there so she had an opportunity to talk to him, ie it was arranged

This!
pre arranged and she dumped him.
I would check his phone and also observe my neighbour. Look her in the eye! Go and ask for some help. If there’s something going on (or was something going on) and your part we refused to tell why he was crying, her behaviour will tell you either she’s also hiding something or not.

Ceebeegee · 09/05/2023 14:41

I think either they're having an affair and she ended it or gave him an ultimatum. Or, she has seen him with an affair partner and has threatened to tell you .
Going to mow the lawn in the rain is odd , maybe he used that to get the neighbours attention .

How has his phone activity been ?

Greentree1 · 09/05/2023 14:42

It seems like he's confided in her or she's confided in him. Something has happened that is upsetting to him, whether her problem or his. You could ask, but maybe leave it and keep an eye on what goes on. It could be something in his past that he is agonising over, or worries about your relationship, or something traumatic the neighbour is going through. Maybe he was already upset and went out in the rain to cover the fact he was going to cry, got accosted by the neighbour so retired to the car for some privacy.

BillyNoM8s · 09/05/2023 14:42

I already would've asked the neighbour.

Can you get hands on his phone/social media?

Neopolitan · 09/05/2023 14:43

And even if it were nothing more than an affair (sans pregnancy), why would a married man having an affair, cry over his side-piece dumping him? Unless he was really, really in love with her, in which case the OP would have noticed a difference in her husband long ago. Married men don't cry when their side piece dumps them.

The only reason a man like that cries, is that he has received life-changing news that majorly changes his life. So it has to be pregnancy.

Ellie450 · 09/05/2023 14:43

My first thought is that he is struggling with having two children with disabilities in the home. Is the younger one his, or are they both his stepchildren?

MajesticWhine · 09/05/2023 14:44

I think an affair makes more sense than anything else. The only other possibility that entered my head is some tragic secret like terminal illness (neighbour) and he was sworn to secrecy. It's all a bit odd. And whatever it is, is not ok to lie about crying to you.

Neopolitan · 09/05/2023 14:45

SinglePonders · 09/05/2023 13:56

I don’t think it’s your place to go and ask the neighbour.
Clearly this was something personal to you partner.
Bit rude to go and demand gossip.
Give it time.
If he tells you, he tells you, if not - then not.
It’s up to him.
Don’t interrogate him more (or her).
It’s none of your business.

Are you usually this pushy btw?

She is his wife!! It is 100% her business! She deserves to know, and needs to know!

MayBeeJuneSoon · 09/05/2023 14:46

Drugs? Owes money?

midsomermurderess · 09/05/2023 14:47

‘He is gaslighting you. You saw him crying with your own eyes, he is denying it happened’. That is not gaslighting. This would be common and garden lying. ‘Gaslighting’ does not mean what you think it does.

passiveaggressivenonsense · 09/05/2023 14:47

If she became suddenly more reserved with you than with your DP then I would thing it's something between them. Maybe he likes her and shes turned him down, maybe they had something going on but shes no longer into it ? Sorry to suggest unpleasant possibilities. Has he been in the habit of helping her out with odd jobs etc.?

RelaxingClassics · 09/05/2023 14:47

I would not speak to the neighbour. It is nothing to do with her. Your relationship is with your partner. The main issue here is he is expecting you to not believe your own eyes. You know that you saw him crying. If it was hay fever he would have simply said, I have hay fever. It almost doesn't matter why he was crying now because he has lied about it- and that becomes the biggest issue.

You need to figure out how you want to play this. You either accept his lie and pretend you didn't see him crying or you speak to him and tell him that he can not ask you to not believe your own eyes. Both of these have consequences. Option 1 may result in a lack of trust and building resentment, option 2 might result in finding out truth that you don't want to hear OR him continuing to gas light you.

ShimmeringShirts · 09/05/2023 14:47

If he never shows you emotion but is happy to openly cry in front of her then I’d suspect he’s having an affair with her and is a lot more emotionally invested in that relationship than yours.

ferntwist · 09/05/2023 14:48

@SinglePonders OP has been the opposite of pushy here. You’re very critical of what seems like a normal level of curiosity at such a bizarre event

WonderingWanda · 09/05/2023 14:50

SinglePonders · 09/05/2023 14:00

Yes.
Honestly, I found op oddly pushy, nosey and intrusive.
I don’t think her behaviour is normal.
If someone would demand to know why they saw me crying, asking again and again and planning on going to ask other person, I would be creeped out.
I know were all different, but surely not all of you think op’s behaviour is healthy?

It's perfectly normal to ask your partner if they are OK when upset. It's weird of the partner to totally deny all knowledge of being upset. Would be a bit different if he's said 'I'm fine now, I don't want to talk about it' but he has denied it completely.

RelaxingClassics · 09/05/2023 14:51

ShimmeringShirts · 09/05/2023 14:47

If he never shows you emotion but is happy to openly cry in front of her then I’d suspect he’s having an affair with her and is a lot more emotionally invested in that relationship than yours.

Not necessarily. He may have found a sympathetic ear and using the neighbour as a freebie counsellor. I work in mental health and you would not believe the amount of random men who end up crying on my shoulder (out with my job) the minute I tell them what I do. Taxi drivers, joiners, driving instructors.

Given he has been reluctant to discuss it with op- it could be he is talking about her.

Peach0123 · 09/05/2023 14:52

Does he keep havefeever tablets in the car?

Really hope you get to the bottom of this, I'd still ask the neighbour though.

ThickSkinnedSoWhat · 09/05/2023 14:52

Sorry, I know you likely don't want or need to hear it, and I really hope I am wrong and there is an innocent explanation, but I thought affair ending before even looking at other comments. I'm not really one to arrive at that conclusion, quite the opposite, I think people tend to jump to it. But his reaction of disappearing, coming back and denying it happened... I'd have thought if it was anything else then surely he would just say? As I say I really hope I'm wrong and there is a reasonable answer and I hope you get the answer either way x

Lostmum2407 · 09/05/2023 14:53

I’m afraid the only reason I can think of is that he’s made an excuse to talk to the neighbour hence mowing the lawn in the rain. Sounds like an affair to me. May be way off the mark but I can’t think of any other reason that makes sense.

SleepingStandingUp · 09/05/2023 14:53

Neopolitan · 09/05/2023 14:43

And even if it were nothing more than an affair (sans pregnancy), why would a married man having an affair, cry over his side-piece dumping him? Unless he was really, really in love with her, in which case the OP would have noticed a difference in her husband long ago. Married men don't cry when their side piece dumps them.

The only reason a man like that cries, is that he has received life-changing news that majorly changes his life. So it has to be pregnancy.

Has to be? We now for certain the neighbour is pregnant, they agreed to meet in the rain to talk cos that's subtle and that's why he's crying, definitively?

OP if yo u were on speaking terms with neighbour I'd ask but she's clearly going to tell DH you asked, and is likely to keep his secret if he doesn't want you to know. He's going to be pissed off, rightly so, you're trying to go behind his back. He shouldn't have lied but I think when it's about HIS emotions that he DOESN'T want to share, that to accuse him of gaslighting is extreme. He clearly doesn't want to talk to you about it.

Sure check for the proof he's having an affair, but this one incident doesn't prove anything

ReadersD1gest · 09/05/2023 14:54

Honestly, I found op oddly pushy, nosey and intrusive
Given that she wanted to know what upset her partner to the point of crying in front of their neighbour; I find your post utterly baffling.

gamerchick · 09/05/2023 14:54

Man people really reach. Hayfever indeed.

She's said something that's upset him. He's being a dick because whatever it is it's hurt him.

I'd have gone out the second I knew he was crying out of concern. No way I'd be letting it drop because he's lied.

WonderingWanda · 09/05/2023 14:54

I wonder did he live in the house before you? Did he already know the neighbour? Maybe she has passed on news of an old acquaintance or even partner who has passed away. It's still a bit odd that he didn't say anything but that's not automatically suspicious, he might have been shocked at the strength of his reaction.

I would speak to him again and just calmly say that you are in no way trying to control him / find out every aspect of his life etc but you know what you saw and you find his totally denial quite a strange reaction and quite gaslighting. Make it clear that therefore in this instance you do require some sort of explanation.

PimpMyFridge · 09/05/2023 14:54

No one cuts grass in the rain, that seems like a subterfuge to me.

CaffeinateMeNow · 09/05/2023 14:55

SinglePonders · 09/05/2023 14:00

Yes.
Honestly, I found op oddly pushy, nosey and intrusive.
I don’t think her behaviour is normal.
If someone would demand to know why they saw me crying, asking again and again and planning on going to ask other person, I would be creeped out.
I know were all different, but surely not all of you think op’s behaviour is healthy?

I know what you mean and would usually agree, but this is so odd. A partner who never cries, was standing and crying in front of a neighbour. If he’s said “yes, I was crying but it’s all okay now I don’t want to talk about it” that’s be one thing. But he’s not being honest about the crying. I’m not sure I’d be okay to see my DH crying with a neighbour and be told I was imagining it.

OP - how is your relationship generally?

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