Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

What could neighbour have said to make DP cry?

1000 replies

WhatTheHeal · 09/05/2023 13:38

DP decided to go out and cut the front lawn yesterday, bit odd as it was raining and he hasn’t done it previously as it was raining but he insisted it needed doing, so he went to do it. After about half an hour DS1 went to get a drink in the kitchen and came back and said “Dave is crying in the garden”, I asked if he was sure and he said “yeah, he’s talking to Jill and he looks really upset and he’s crying. Maybe he hurt himself?” DS is autistic and is known to misread emotions etc so I thought he was wrong, but decided to go and check. I looked out the window and DS was right, DP was visibly upset and crying standing on the uncut lawn, talking to the neighbour. She did not seem worried and was still on her side of the fence. I went to let DS1 know I was popping outside to check on him (DS1 was worried and questioning me on why his step dad was so upset, and also DS2 is disabled and can’t be left alone) and we heard the front door open, then close again. I went outside and DP wasn’t there, neighbour was now on the phone so I couldn’t ask her what was up. When I came back inside I realised DP had taken his car key which was by the front door. He absolutely didn’t have that with him when he was going out to mow the lawn as he’s lost keys before and now keeps all keys separate and only takes the ones he needs with him. His car is always parked at the back of the house so I couldn’t go and check as I can’t leave DS1 and DS2 alone for that long so instead I just sent a text to DP “everything okay?”, he didn’t answer. I couldn’t call as he absolutely hates phone calls and we’ve never once spoken on the phone in all our time together, so I knew he wouldn’t answer anyway. About 15 minutes later we hear the mower out the front so I went out to see but DP just kept mowing, he had clearly been crying and still looked very upset. I waited for him to be finished and come back inside and asked him what was up and he said there was nothing wrong and acted completely confused at why I was asking, so I told him I’d seen him crying in the garden, seen him talking to the neighbour then take his car key, I said there was clearly something going on. Again he denied it, said he had been mowing the whole time (over an hour by this point, it’s a very small lawn and he definitely hadn’t even started when I went outside to look for him), didn’t have his car key, didn’t know where it was. He denied being upset or crying, but said he did say a quick hello to the neighbour.

He wasn’t himself for the rest of the day, moody and very short with me. I checked again before bed that he was okay and he said he was just annoyed at having to account for everything he does/every minute of his time and I had annoyed him when he came in from doing the garden. He said I made him feel like he took me too long doing a job which needed doing and told me to leave him alone and went to sleep, he was off with me this morning too and left for work without saying goodbye. He never does this even after an argument. I know he didn’t sleep well and was very restless, he also got up an hour before his alarm and went and sat downstairs. I didn’t bother following him as I knew he would just get more annoyed.

DP never cries, btw. Not ever. He’s very emotionally closed off and never shows emotion in front of anyone, including me. So this is very strange behaviour.

Do I leave it, or ask again?
Should I speak to the neighbour and ask her?

And what could she possibly have said/done to make him cry and upset him for the rest of the day? I know no one can answer this but I’ve gone through so many possibilities in my head and none make any sense.

OP posts:
Cookiecuttercatastrophe · 09/05/2023 15:32

Is it possible he is struggling a bit and not wanting to let you know and went off to the garden to have a quiet cry. He may just not want to talk about it. Maybe the neighbour asked him if he is alright and that set him off or maybe she saw him cry and asked him if he was OK. I'm sure there's an innocent explanation. If he was having an affair, I don't reckon he'd get annoyed with you - he'd be more likely to brush it off and be all falsly cheerful. I reckon he just wanted to be left alone and got a bit antsy. Some men do prefer to retreat when they are finding things difficult and being unhappy can make them snappy. Hopefully he'll be OK in a couple of days. Try not to jump to conclusions would be my advice.

QuacketyQuack · 09/05/2023 15:32

OP I think you should ask your neighbour and try and gage her reaction. It all sounds very suspicious, she used to talk to you and now she's reserved, DP crying and then lying about it.

pussycatinfluffyslippers · 09/05/2023 15:33

Well, the fact you have a disabled child and child with autism I'd say you have enough on your plate without him acting like an arse.

Minfilia · 09/05/2023 15:34

It all seems a bit of a reach, this talk of affairs and killing animals 😂

I am quite closed off with my emotions too. I would probably get quite annoyed if I was repeatedly questioned over being upset if I didn’t want to talk about whatever “it” is. I’d much rather have a bit of space and then talk more openly when I’m ready.

and no, I haven’t had an affair or accidentally killed any animals

CuteCillian · 09/05/2023 15:40

So my dramatic/Mumsnet self says she told him that, despite the obvious fact they were made to be each others soul mates, it could never happen. My normal self says grass allergy, which he is determined to get on top of without medication.

Meeting · 09/05/2023 15:42

I'd text him to say you're going to ask the neighbour because you're concerned. See if he replies then.

Napoleonsjosephine · 09/05/2023 15:45

CuteCillian · 09/05/2023 15:40

So my dramatic/Mumsnet self says she told him that, despite the obvious fact they were made to be each others soul mates, it could never happen. My normal self says grass allergy, which he is determined to get on top of without medication.

Do you not think the op would know if he has hay fever or he’d say that, or even if she’d know what him crying or looking upset looks like?

I do wonder about some folks relationships where they think it’s perfectly feasible you don’t know your partner has hay fever, it’s a secret and you can’t recognise if they are upset. It’s so weird.

VirgoQueen · 09/05/2023 15:45

Theory #2. He went outside to cry and use the excuse of mowing the lawn, then nozy neighbour came outside while he was already crying.
I'll be back with theory 3

uncomfortablydumb53 · 09/05/2023 15:45

I think he mowed the lawn( in the rain!) as an excuse to talk to her
Bearing in mind the neighbour doesn't talk now, I wonder if she knows he's into something illegal and has given him an ultimatum?
Did he live there before you?
He outright lied when you saw him crying and that's not on
I would speak to the neighbour and mention you saw him crying and say you're concerned about him
I hope you can talk to him

rubydoobydoo · 09/05/2023 15:45

A rational explanation would be he is suffering with hay-fever (my eyes are terrible with it at the moment!), the neighbour recommended something that really helps, and he went out in the car to get some! Although I don't know why he wouldn't just tell you that.

I've only seen my DH cry once in 15 years and it was when one of the cats died (his cat before we met so he was very attached to her!).

FrostyFifi · 09/05/2023 15:46

This is so peculiar, all of it.

uncomfortablydumb53 · 09/05/2023 15:48

I think OP would know if he has hay fever and I doubt if he'd be so keen to mow the lawn

Waynettaaa · 09/05/2023 15:48

Neopolitan · 09/05/2023 14:36

My first thought, @WhatTheHeal ? I know this will sound bizarre, but...

They were having an affair, she got pregnant and now he is stressed out and worried what it means for your relationship and family. I don't know why, but that is my very first thought.

Either way, I would most definitely ask her, and watch her facial expressions as she replies to you.

I was going to say the same thing.

Either that, or she's caught him with someone else and is threatening to tell you.

Sorry 😔

CrystalCoco · 09/05/2023 15:50

Cookiecuttercatastrophe · 09/05/2023 15:32

Is it possible he is struggling a bit and not wanting to let you know and went off to the garden to have a quiet cry. He may just not want to talk about it. Maybe the neighbour asked him if he is alright and that set him off or maybe she saw him cry and asked him if he was OK. I'm sure there's an innocent explanation. If he was having an affair, I don't reckon he'd get annoyed with you - he'd be more likely to brush it off and be all falsly cheerful. I reckon he just wanted to be left alone and got a bit antsy. Some men do prefer to retreat when they are finding things difficult and being unhappy can make them snappy. Hopefully he'll be OK in a couple of days. Try not to jump to conclusions would be my advice.

In amongst all the far fetched theories of hay fever, affairs, pregnancies, we finally have a gem! This seems by far the sanest and most likely suggestion to be put forward thus far.

inamarina · 09/05/2023 15:50

SinglePonders · 09/05/2023 14:00

Yes.
Honestly, I found op oddly pushy, nosey and intrusive.
I don’t think her behaviour is normal.
If someone would demand to know why they saw me crying, asking again and again and planning on going to ask other person, I would be creeped out.
I know were all different, but surely not all of you think op’s behaviour is healthy?

What? Her partner (not random bloke on the street) is crying and it’s pushy and nosey of her to want to know what’s wrong? Her behavior is “not normal”? Confused Again, it’s her partner, not some stranger.

Undertherock · 09/05/2023 15:51

I can’t actually imagine a way of speaking with your neighbour that would elicit the information.

If it’s an affair, of course she will lie.
If he got emotional over something like family problems, or bad news, and hadn’t shared it with you, she’ll likely be discreet to protect his privacy.

Dh would share his upset with me, and I’d also be the person he would tell if he broke down with someone else. I’m a bit more complicated and I find it harder to process and open up about big feelings, but I’d appreciate him pushing me, and not letting it go. That’s just our dynamic and it’s very hard to tell what’s normal for others.

What is very concerning though is the deflection and gaslighting. Is that a regular or even common occurrence?

WhatTheHeal · 09/05/2023 15:54

Trying to catch up on all the comments, will read properly later but just to answer a few things.

As far as I know they don’t have any friends in common (but not impossible as they are both locals, I’m not), DP has definitely never mentioned it and he is a bit of a gossip so occasionally says “did you know X neighbour was married to Y from work?? Z told me today!” Type things. He’s definitely never said Jill knows his mate/dad/ex or anything.

She lives alone, from out earlier chats I think she’s divorced and that’s why she moved. She’s been there 18 months-2 years ish. DP and I have been together 4 years.

No hayfever, was in fact bragging about it last week (lightheartedly) when I was struggling with it that he’s never had it. I reminded him it could come on at any time. But honestly when DS said he was crying I assumed it was something in his eye or something and DS read the situation wrong (as often happens). But he really did appear to be crying. Obviously I could (hopefully) be wrong, but weird he didn’t just say?

Affair was one thing I thought of, but I thought really, the neighbour?! How would he get away with it? I mean he has ample opportunities but he would have to be pretty brave to go out to one of his hobbies and go back in next door, I could easily be putting the bins out or the kids could be playing in the garden… I’m not ruling it out but I would be very surprised. I’d also be surprised if he cried if they were and she was ending it, nothing makes this man cry, nothing!

And yes, we’ve never spoken on the phone. He just won’t, he hates it. We message (quite a lot to arrange plans etc if he’s out or whatever) but we have never phoned each other. He does speak regularly to friends and family on the phone though. I don’t get it either!

OP posts:
Originalnutter · 09/05/2023 15:55

My initial thought is he's having an affair with her. When I read you next part saying this is a possibility you have considered I am now willing to wager that's it.

OhComeOnFFS · 09/05/2023 15:56

So he will speak to others on the phone but not you? That's really odd.

OhComeOnFFS · 09/05/2023 15:57

Regarding an affair, are there times when you don't know where he is? Where he's on his phone (messaging) all the time?

ReadersD1gest · 09/05/2023 15:58

And yes, we’ve never spoken on the phone. He just won’t, he hates it. We message (quite a lot to arrange plans etc if he’s out or whatever) but we have never phoned each other. He does speak regularly to friends and family on the phone though. I don’t get it either!
So it's just you he refuses to speak on the phone with. Are you ok with that? Because it's downright peculiar and rude.

WhatTheHeal · 09/05/2023 15:58

My biggest worry was that there was something wrong with his dad or other family member and he had a phone call telling him, hence me going out there and texting him. It clearly isn’t anything like that.

The possibility of him hurting an animal is one that I’m wondering about, far fetched I know but he does love our pets (they are all safe and accounted for!), but I think he would tell me… I’m also not even sure the mower got started but I wasn’t policing it so it could’ve and been an early casualty. I hope not!

I didn’t check if the car went anywhere (sorry if I didn’t make that clear), he may well have just sat in it for some privacy, or gone for a short drive. It wasn’t very long anyway.

OP posts:
AllAboutBread · 09/05/2023 16:00

brokenbics · 09/05/2023 13:48

How old is your neighbour? Could he be having an inappropriate relationship with her?

I thought this

WordHelp · 09/05/2023 16:00

I never jump in with 'having an affair' vibes, ever. In fact, in 15 years of MN I've never done it.

But this situation is so unusual, and the way that you describe your DP, and his usual emotional range, his reaction when you spoke to him... I think I'd be getting slightly prickly vibes about this. Crying is a strong emotional reaction. In her presence, then denying it?

I hope you can get to the bottom of it OP, either way.

Neopolitan · 09/05/2023 16:00

So have you decided what you're going to do, OP?

Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is not accepting new messages.