How could the lady walk into his house that cost her life?

[Sunnygirl07]

Hello All,

Such a sad story. I can't understand. Was the house door open and not locked then?

We need to teach our children TO TALK, ASK QUESTIONS and NEVER to attack or fight without any need for it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-65046548

Yes - I have read that now. The article I read mid-trail did not say that. Hence my query over why murder and not manslaughter. It is a vicious crime either way. The information I have read just now makes it clear why, but the article I read at the start of the trial was very confusing.

Well aren't you just a peach.

Me too

Hi Op
I was wondering 🤔 when someone would bring this story up on mumsnet, !

I really sincerely hope this Arsehole of a bloke,

Who to me comes, across as a human form of Shit,

Is treated the same way by other Prisoners like Prisoners and our society views Child killers and Paedophiles, !

The reason I feel and think this way is it is clearly obvious she was vunerable elderly woman who probably had undiagnosed Dementia issues and was drunk,
Or
was somewhat drunk and disoriented cause of either she drunk one too many or cause of it being dark night time she had misfortune to wander into Shit head's place/bedroom.

I've been following this trial and I'm so glad he's been found guilty. This 'man' is a monster and what he did to that poor,frail elderly lady beggars belief. I hope he gets sent down for a long,long time. My heart breaks for Margaret Barnes and what she went through in her final minutes on this earth at the hands of this scumbag.

Well there will have been a post mortem. Also there’s a concept in law called the thin skull rule ie you take your victim as you find them - so even if what you say about her liver is correct it doesn’t change the criminality

In one article it says the murderer had drunk something like five or six pints and a gin himself btw. It wasn't as if he was terrified to find someone with a gin in his house or anything. Clearly a boozy person himself.

The difference is that she just made a silly mistake because she'd drunk a bit too much. He killed a little old lady.

@EggBlanket

When some elderly people develop onset of Dementia they can become sometimes bit or somewhat aggressive or argumentative,

I hope This Arsehole bloke who killed this elderly woman,

Is attacked in Prison by other Prisoners too,

I hope The Prison officers warden just turn a blind eye to anyone who is nasty to this Arsehole/shit bloke

Healthy livers haemorrhage very easily due to trauma as they are so vascularised.

He assaulted her, murdered her brutally. The state of her liver prior to this is irrelevant.

She wasn’t asleep, she was sitting up in bed drinking a G&T. He could’ve just spoken to her.

Absolute animal 😔.

Ah, I see he did speak to her. Ok then, he could’ve waited for the police.

I cant understand why he didn't lock the front door. It's almost as if he liked his reputation as the local "hard man" and knew noone would ever dare to go into his house, regardless of locks. I'm sure he won't be half so brave in prison.

That poor poor woman, though, she must have been so terrified. I hope she was unconscious very quickly.

@PonyPatter44

I totally agree with your comments,!

Exactly. Have you seen the size of him?

I could absolutely see myself making the same mistake. That’s another reason why this case is so scary

Apparently he called her "a scumbag" as she lay there dying.

Heartbreaking.

It would be if it happened to him!

😂

Totally agree...

If we take this elderly lady's mistake out of the equation... (the mistake was so minor.. Abs surely most people would express surprise /amusement /confusion? Totally disproportionate.

Essentially, a huge man savagely beat and murdered a 7.5 stone elderly lady, by stamping on her....

Sickening.

Utterly vile.

She was a tiny, elderly woman, he could have escorted from the property without hurting her easily, if he had wanted to.

He brutally battered her to death instead.

I hope his custodial sentence is a long and unpleasant one.

You definitely sound like you're defending his actions and it's sickening!

Of course her behaviour was strange, she was a drunk lost elderly lady with possible dementia!

Nothing can justify what he did to her, nothing, so don't try to, it's weird that you even would.

Doesn't matter how she got in there or why. All that matters is what he did. There was absolutely no excuse for it and IMHO someone who can overreact in such an extreme manner should die in prison. How can you possibly risk allowing someone who would do this, in these circumstances, to be free? They will always be a threat to the weak and the vulnerable.

If i was in that situation, all relevant factors being the same, I'd either have called an ambulance if I thought she needed medical attention or I'd just have let her sleep it off and kept an eye on her for her own safety. No way I'd even peacefully eject an elderly and confused woman into the streets on her own in the middle of the night.

I hope the other prisoners make his life inside unbearable and preferably much shorter than nature intended.

The law in England says that it’s murder even if you intend to cause harm (but not kill). So you could push someone down a hill hoping to break their leg and actually they die from a head injury, but as you intended harm, the fact that their death wasn’t intended is inconsequential.

Manslaughter is reserved for cases where there is negligence, but no intent to harm. Clearly he intended to harm her as his actions went way beyond reasonable force.

This post should be removed.
" she wasn't a gentle old lady, she was an alcoholic". As if it isn't possible to be both and as if that makes a skerrick of difference. Shameful post @Genevieva

That was what the violent murdered claimed. The prosecution said she was sleeping. Why are you parroting the words of a violent murderer as though they’re fact?

Yes, where was any thought of care for this poor woman who was clearly no threat to anyone.
What kind of monster would lay hands on an old lady let alone do what he did.