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My DH just said something so awful/insane...

369 replies

EyeEyeBoom · 06/03/2023 22:10

He's depressed as his 93 year old grandad died last month and he says making him think he's going to die himself and its all for nothing

He's not been helping me with housework for years (before death of grandad)

Anyway we werr having a bit of a row and he just said to me

"I used to think you were actually magic. Like really maybe magic. Like it was you and me against "them". Our relationship transcended death. And now you just ask me to do more laundry and clean the bathroom. Practical, boring. And you're unhappy apparently because of these small unimportant things. You're not magic after all. You're just like them all"

This is pretty much word for word

He's unhinged isn't he?

OP posts:
EyeEyeBoom · 07/03/2023 09:25

@northernlight20 my two are in nursery. They can barely talk. No one is going to listen to them for a long time. They won't want to be away from me but they don't get a choice for years eh?

OP posts:
Treehappy · 07/03/2023 09:25

Honestly I just think he’s an entitled selfish arse. Maybe he’s an entitled selfish arse with MH issues too.
What does he think life is? Life is about the mundane stuff that just needs to be done. With kids it is about the boring practical stuff.

Justforlaffs · 07/03/2023 09:26

EyeEyeBoom · 07/03/2023 08:27

I spoke to Mind last year when his verbal tics first became really pronounced and they said he needs to go to his GP and if I'm worried about him call the police or my local MH crisis team. They were nice enough but what else can they say?

I'll call the GP but imagine he will say he needs to come in

He hasn't threatened me or talked about hurting himself. Just to clarify that when he talked about the kids death it was the context of we will all die, we will all lose everyone we love.

I do find it hard to understand. I knew his granddad was about to die. We all did. And I'm very happy living life to the full and feel grateful for my kids and my health and everything. He says that's because I'm practical and pragmatic and he says we are so different these days (I think he thinks he's a deeper thinker - I think he thinks I'm happy because I'm stupid or something) - he feels "totally alone in this marriage" (what he said last night)

I can't see him getting help. He says me saying he needs help just makes him not want to tell me stuff.

I agree with you that I don't think you can help him OP.

You are a "coper" and he is a negative, miserable bastard. What does he want you to do, sit around moping and moaning with him whilst life falls apart?

He won't get the help he needs so what can you do? You've tried.

Make steps to leave him - please don't waste your life on this man. You sound practical, pragmatic and positive person - dont let him suck all the life out of you by staying with him and trying to "fix" him. Please, for your dc's sake.

Guis23 · 07/03/2023 09:29

EyeEyeBoom · 06/03/2023 22:10

He's depressed as his 93 year old grandad died last month and he says making him think he's going to die himself and its all for nothing

He's not been helping me with housework for years (before death of grandad)

Anyway we werr having a bit of a row and he just said to me

"I used to think you were actually magic. Like really maybe magic. Like it was you and me against "them". Our relationship transcended death. And now you just ask me to do more laundry and clean the bathroom. Practical, boring. And you're unhappy apparently because of these small unimportant things. You're not magic after all. You're just like them all"

This is pretty much word for word

He's unhinged isn't he?

No. He is utterly disappointed in your relationship. And miserable.

Treehappy · 07/03/2023 09:29

illiterato · 07/03/2023 09:05

Honestly, OP. Cut your losses. He was a lazy arsehole ( by your own admission) even before all the MH stuff- the grandad grief wank is just the latest manifestation of his nasal gazing and expecting the world to revolve around him. Just take the DC and leave. Best of luck. I wouldn’t worry about contact as I doubt he’ll be asking for it.

I agree with this.

You could waste time trying to work out what the balance is between him being manipulative and having MH, but why bother?

OP says he has long been entitled and selfish. That personality is just magnified after having children.

Treehappy · 07/03/2023 09:32

Guis23 · 07/03/2023 09:29

No. He is utterly disappointed in your relationship. And miserable.

He would have been less disappointed in the relationship if he had treated it as an equal friendship and partnership and shared the workload. Instead of treating his partner as a free house keeper.

Absolutely no sympathy with miserable men who are unhappy in the relationships they ruined through selfish entitlement.

Lovemusic33 · 07/03/2023 09:32

People deal with death in different ways, some people it affects more than others. I am in the majority that would just say “he had a good innings” and would move on from it but some people are not capable of doing that especially if they have mental health issues or are on the spectrum?

It does sound as though he needs some help for his mental health but he also being a test and treating you badly. No one should have to put up with being treated like crap, mental health isn’t a reason to stay with someone or to let them treat you this way. He is having some kind of mental health episode and he needs to get help but this is for him to do, you can’t make him.

illiterato · 07/03/2023 09:33

Guis23 · 07/03/2023 09:29

No. He is utterly disappointed in your relationship. And miserable.

And yet he’s still there, because if he left he’d have to wash his own pants and wouldn’t have anyone to bully with his narcissistic whining.

Miloticc · 07/03/2023 09:35

I’m not sure if this is helpful but a death in the family gave me a phobia of death and an existential crisis, it sounds really similar? I was desperate to enjoy every last day of being alive incase I suddenly got hit by a bus the next day. But it came with debilitating panic.

It sounds like he wants the “magic” feeling of the honeymoon period back when people first meet… which just isn’t possible. Or he doesn’t understand that it isn’t permanent.
Not everything can be ‘fun’ and I feel awful for you that you sound like you’re doing absolutely everything at home! Is there any way the two of you could go on holiday or something that you would both enjoy maybe?

I don’t suppose he was the golden child/youngest son by any chance? I’ve found a lot of men whose mothers doted on them can’t handle that they aren’t incredibly special. I don’t mean that in an offensive way either because I don’t think it’s their fault, but it’s impossible to live with.

pizzaHeart · 07/03/2023 09:37

I was glad to see your update OP this morning as I was a bit worried. Yes, your DH might be dealing with death ( as some PPs suggested) but he is in a very weird unhealthy state of mind and requires professional support. Hope this thread help you to find the way out of the situation.
Please don’t tell him anything which might cause his negative reaction. He might be not totally unsafe yet but he’s definitely not safe to be around.

JackHackettsMac · 07/03/2023 09:38

Use this opportunity to fix your own life. Remember the Airplane rules, “put on your own oxygen mask first before helping others”…

Seriously, you don’t have to hang around and try to fix him. You have to put yourself and your children first. If he’s been useless for years, his grandad’s death doesn’t alter things. I’d throw in the towel and call it a day.
He’s blown his many chances.

blebbleb · 07/03/2023 09:41

I also had a bit of an existential crisis due to a recent miscarriage but he's using this to opt out of family life, and some of the things he's saying are frankly disturbing. Added with his family history, you should be very worried OP. I think you should be taking this is a lot more seriously and leave, even MIND advised you to call the police. He sounds lazy and abusive at the very least.

blebbleb · 07/03/2023 09:41

You've tried to help him before also and I take it he's made no effort.

Hairday · 07/03/2023 09:45

A lot of men get very grouchy when kids come along and they are no longer the centre of your attention. I bet it's 80% that. He was probably jealous outside the bathroom.

CantThinkRightNow · 07/03/2023 09:52

Please ring 111 OP and get advice and do not confront him or challenge him!
I've joined Mumsnet because I'm so worried for you OP. As soon as read your post I was worried this might be schizophrenia and this could be the start of a psychotic episode.
Bear in mind when you say you can hear him talking to himself, he might well believe he is talking to someone who is actually with him.
Also the fact he is talking about yours and the kids mortality is really worrying me.
That combined with the rage and disgust your feeling that's forced you to sleep in your sons room and prevented you from sleeping makes me feel it's time for an intervention.
I think it would be a good time, like another poster suggested that you and the kids go for a 'holiday' at your parents perhaps while this plays out.
Im really sorry you are going through this OP but you sound like a great mum and a really strong person to have dealt with this all this time but now he needs professional help

FamilyLife2point4 · 07/03/2023 09:52

@EyeEyeBoom honestly sounds like he needs to hit rock bottom to stop using things as an excuse for doing nothing. It is absolutely manipulative.

get him to shape up and help, or ship out, you’re not his mother or his maid ……

Bornin1989 · 07/03/2023 09:55

CantThinkRightNow · 07/03/2023 09:52

Please ring 111 OP and get advice and do not confront him or challenge him!
I've joined Mumsnet because I'm so worried for you OP. As soon as read your post I was worried this might be schizophrenia and this could be the start of a psychotic episode.
Bear in mind when you say you can hear him talking to himself, he might well believe he is talking to someone who is actually with him.
Also the fact he is talking about yours and the kids mortality is really worrying me.
That combined with the rage and disgust your feeling that's forced you to sleep in your sons room and prevented you from sleeping makes me feel it's time for an intervention.
I think it would be a good time, like another poster suggested that you and the kids go for a 'holiday' at your parents perhaps while this plays out.
Im really sorry you are going through this OP but you sound like a great mum and a really strong person to have dealt with this all this time but now he needs professional help

This! Get it logged with police, move somewhere safe.

QueefQueen80s · 07/03/2023 09:57

Awful man, get rid. And yes he does sound unhinged.

Emotionalsupportviper · 07/03/2023 09:58

lifeturnsonadime · 06/03/2023 22:15

Does he really hate helping around the house, call me a cynic but I'd be thinking that's an excuse to do bugger all.

Especially since you said he's done nothing for years.

You're magic, of course you are, you do everything.

I'm sorry to say I agree with you.

I've suffered serious depression in the past, and left to myself found everything - housework etc, just too overwhelming - I didn't know where to start. However if DH and I were doing it together I was able to function - he'd say "Right - I'll clean the windows while you hoover round and stick a load of washing in, and then we'll change the bed together - duvets are a bugger on your own." As long as I wasn't in the house struggling alone I could manage stuff.

And I'm sure that OP is just wanting a hand and she is most often about, too and asking him to help, probably with particular jobs as per above.

I'm sure he is depressed, but inactivity makes depression worse - and so does magical thinking!. We aren't living in a Disney fairy story. If we leave the window open and start singing a load of forest animals aren't going to come in and do the washing up for us, (though fresh air and a bit of singing will certainly lift the spirits).

I think he IS very sad after losing his grandfather - but that he has always been a lazy B and this death is being used to justify ding nothing.

Vegrocks · 07/03/2023 10:00

I wouldn’t be least bit worried about him OP.

I would be discretely getting my shit together in order to leave him. Because he sounds like he’s checked out

Vegrocks · 07/03/2023 10:01

This issue completely aside OP

i will take a punt that the marriage isn’t exactly healthy anyway

JuliasBiscuit · 07/03/2023 10:04

This reply has been withdrawn

The OP has privacy concerns and so we've agreed to take this down.

philautia · 07/03/2023 10:07

Reading the OP and updates, you are his carer that he resents. Personally, I'd have to leave him.

The children will get older and notice his behaviour, he will direct his anger at them. He will say strange things to them that are confusing.

Of everything you have written, the staring at you with hatred through the crack in the bathroom door was the most worrying.

You are doing everything. He is holding you back in life. I'd get advice from somewhere (maybe Adult Social Care) as I wouldn't really feel confident leaving two little children safely in his care. Could he even manage to look after them?

Vegrocks · 07/03/2023 10:07

Does schizophrenia also make you adverse to doing any housework for years?

and mourning people profoundly that you don’t really seem to have given a toss about? But DH never visited him in his care home. Not once. Never called. Never did anything.

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 07/03/2023 10:10

It sounds like a horrible situation for you OP. Scary and exhausting.

Are you friendly with his parents? Could you speak to his mum (since his dad is recently bereaved) and ask if he has ever had spells like this before or if it is something she recognises from her other son? Ask her for some support/to get involved? You shouldn't have to carry this all on your own. From my total inexperienced POV (apart from having a BIL who occasionally has psychotic episodes when he goes off his meds) it does sound like he is tipping over into quite a concerning state. Whether that's psychotic, schizophrenic, or very profound depression, needs assessing. But you can't do that, and shouldn't have to be living with any of it without seeking support.

I would stop trying to have it out with him for now or trying to get him to shape up - if as you say he hasn't done so for all these years, the middle of a crisis is the worst time to begin. Try not to engage with him at all. Avoid reacting to the provoking things he's saying and doing. Have a few stock phrases lined up you can turn to which are non-confrontational and difficult to argue with: "I'm sorry you are feeling that way"; "I don't want you to be unhappy"; "death is frightening". Don't try to buck him up or make him feel better because it seems precisely that is what's antagonising him into feeling so 'alone in this marriage'.

None of the above is because you are wrong to expect him to contribute, be kind, and be rational about this very natural death and death in general - it's because he's currently in a totally irrational, combative state and it won't get you anything but more grief. For now, just try to minimise the extent to which he can fuck up your day while you try and find a solution.

I completely understand why you're reluctant to break up due to the effect on the kids. But in the first instance, you don't have to let him have unsupervised contact without a court order in place - you can arrange for them to spend time together at the grandparents', say. As long as you can ensure against him making off with them, before there is a court order for contact, you both have the legal right to keep the children away from each other, it's just a question of securing control in the first instance. He can then take it to court if he wants unsupervised contact, at which point you can make the point that he has no experience of seeing to their needs as you've been doing it all, is currently depressed and anxious and behaving erratically, and move for contact to be supervised until these issues are addressed. From what you say, he may not move for contact at all, as he is both going through a MH crisis and utterly self-absorbed anyway. Using the family court to punish a spouse for leaving via the kids is the behaviour of a manipulator rather than someone in the grip of a mental health crisis - it's a complex, tedious and administrative process - so at very least this would give you clarification on what kind of beast you're dealing with here.

Take care of yourself OP. I think this situation has been escalating over time (and was probably never wonderful to begin with) so it's hard to see the wood for the trees. This is why you need to get it out there for impartial/wider discussion - talk to his family, to yours, to friends, to professionals. Posting here was a good first step. You need other people to get involved with this, it's not betraying him, it's the only way he'll ever get the help he needs and it's the only way to keep you and your children safe.

I know we don't have the full details of the Epsom College case yet, but men can and do commit family destruction when they feel there is nothing to live for. God knows why they can't just off themselves quietly like women do, but a certain kind of man has to externalise his misery as rage and it sounds like your husband may be one such man, given he seems to be blaming you for not being able to magically shield him from all the exigencies of life and death that he does not feel equipped to cope with. I'm certain if you asked Emma Pattison before her death whether her husband, whatever his problems and their issues, would kill her and their little child, she would have said no, never. As Germaine Greer said, "“Women have very little idea of how much men hate them." What you're seeing and feeling could well be the tip of the iceberg. Take action now to make you all safe.