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I really need some objective advice re dd

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stillvicarinatutu · 18/12/2022 21:14

I'm going to give the back story so no drip feed .

My dd is 25 , and I have a ds , 31.

My dh and I married at 19 and I left him when I was 42.

I had done everything at home , ds had meningitis and later dx with autism , I did 8 weeks alone in hospital, all the medical appointments, all the home admin , childcare, if the kids were ill it was my job to sort , I worked part time too. Dh worked ridiculously unsocial hours and I spent every single night of the marriage alone . Sex was shit and he has ED .

I left him at 42 , my ds had left home , my dd had started university. I was attracted to a man I worked with, but I wouldn't have an affair , I left in January. I started seeing someone else in March. By this time I had battled to get a full time job that paid because dh earned a pittance. I was the breadwinner and had been for 4 years.

I have no doubt this affected dd deeply although at the time I wasn't thinking straight - I was menopausal, restless, bored and sick of everything.

She dropped uni a year later and went home to her dad and the marital home. I was renting .

She was and is angry with me . I got pg with the man I was seeing at 44, dd seemed excited, but the baby had a fatal chromosome disorder and I terminated mid term which was really hard . My then partner was shit and no support. We weren't living together. We stayed together a short time and lived together for a while but he was increasingly abusive and I left .

I've lived alone for 3.5 years.
The problem is my relationship with dd. It's broken . We were extremely close - now it's strained.

She complains to her father that I don't do enough to see her .
Yet if I try , she's busy , if I say can I call , she's busy , if I ask to meet up , she's busy .

The guilt I felt from leaving means I did nothing about divorce or finances . Dd says since I left , I shouldn't get anything. Her father agrees. I paid 21 years of a mortgage, and I've paid 50k of debt off - mine and dhs- it's taken me 6 years. We had separate IVA and I paid both . (He couldn't afford it- I could )
This means he has stayed in the marital home .
He is now seeing another woman - fine - he is 56 and so is she , no plans to live together or marry etc .
I've now said it's time to divorce and sort finances . He's blown up at me - I left - I should have nothing . That's how he feels , and how my kids feel.
I've said I will not force a sale or make him homeless.
I'm looking at alternative solutions including me buying a park home on retirement so he can keep the house . As long as I aren't renting after retirement- I'm happy . I am currently renting .

I've become great friends with my neighbour and we do a lot for each other . We are spending Xmas day together, and going halves on dinner . She's goi g to be alone with her dd who is autistic, I'd be alone , her dd has asked if I can be there and since me and her mum get together every week anyway , for food and wine , we go out for the occasional drink, go shopping together, stuff mates do ! It's lovely . Her dad has virtually adopted me too ! It's nice .

Dd and ds are with their dad for Xmas day - so they were coming to me Boxing Day .

I've got their presents here to give them then .
Dd wanted a second Xmas dinner . That would be quite expensive and my lovely neighbour and friend suggested we do a big shop , go halves , and do a lovely Boxing Day buffet and have it at hers .

So I text dd asking what she thought.

Text back is horrible. Basically dd is saying "we wanted to see you since you never bother , I do t want to see your friend she isn't part of my life , so just forget it we will just come for an hour in the afternoon. "

I've text back - it was just a suggestion- no problem- we do t have to do that , we can stick to Xmas dinner here etc .

No reply then a curt reply saying stop texting me, I have a life you know , I'm out with (boyfriends parents ) .

I text back - are you free for a call later ?

Nothing back .

Her Xmas list consisted of expensive ugg slippers , she's buying a house so I got her a kettle and toaster, towels, personalised photo frame and Xmas bauble , stuff for her car , I've
Got her boyfriend a brew dog gift set , something for his car ,

I've got ds a silver key ring and a luxury travel wallet, and I'll be getting him some other bits this week .

He can't take much back to Asia with him where he lives . He doesn't carry luggage .

I live alone, I barely make ends meet . I've 2 more payments on dh iva then it's done , and 9 more on mine . I've not had my hair done in over a year , I've not my car serviced for 4 years, I shop at Aldi, -
And yet - I'm still the villain . I can buy the uggs etc , but when I dared suggest Boxing Day buffet with neighbour you'd think I'd suggested selling dds first born to the devil himself .
Now it appears she isnt even speaking to me.

I do not know how to heal this.
My own relationship with my mother is NC and has been for 25 years. I do t want that for me and dd - yet I cannot win . Everything I say , everything I suggest, is met with anger. I suggested counselling- nope.
Her dad is the bees knees of course .

Neither of the kids checked on me recently when I had pneumonia. Dd said she thought I was making it up. An ambulance was sent and I was on a nebuliser. They wouldn't come look after my dogs so I could go to hospital.

What the fuck do I do now ? I hate this . I'm constantly apologising. I'm constantly trying . I've asked her what she wants .
She seems to hate me .
I tried to speak with ds about the house etc and he went straight back to his dad and told him - then he said he does t want to be involved- fair enough.

But I cannot win . The only thing that would satisfy them all is if I go away , ask for nothing out of the house , give everything away , go quietly, rent for life , spend my pension on rent and then claim benefits (this is dh"s suggestion when I asked how I rent after retirement. )

I haven't done anything. I've asked nothing. And they are acting like this now - if I do press for some equity I dread to think what happens then . They barely tolerate me now .

I do not know what to do.

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stillvicarinatutu · 19/12/2022 01:20

Like I said - it was simply a suggestion and it wasn't to spend the day with others -just to go for a buffet to eat later in the day .
It's not happening anyway.

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Angelina1972 · 19/12/2022 01:28

Don’t pay the last two months of his IVA. Pass that back to him as the first enforcement of reality. I’d refuse to talk to dd about the finances. Send back all those expensive presents and instead use the money to get a solicitor to advise on a financial settlement. The house needs selling so that you can buy yourself somewhere nice and have your lovely neighbour round to visit .

Smallonesaremorejuicy · 19/12/2022 01:51

Wouldn’t your neighbour/friend look after your dogs so you could go to hospital?

stillvicarinatutu · 19/12/2022 01:53

Smallonesaremorejuicy · 19/12/2022 01:51

Wouldn’t your neighbour/friend look after your dogs so you could go to hospital?

I wouldn't leave unless I knew someone would come for them-it was 4am . Neighbour works full time and is a single mum . What I needed was dh or dd to
Come and pick pooches up u til I got out - but they would t come and did t believe me anyway. When. I told them I had pneumonia dd said I was over reacting and I did t hear from them again for a couple of weeks.

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Smallonesaremorejuicy · 19/12/2022 01:58

They seem very harsh towards you . Get your divorce in place, sell the house & get your own places . Please don’t pay anymore of your exes bills . I hope you have a great Christmas 🎄 with your friend.

stillvicarinatutu · 19/12/2022 02:00

I'd tried to speak to dd because I fell I'll 2 days before she was meant to come through for dinner - obviously I wasn't well enough - she got annoyed. Said I kept cancelling on her , I tried to voicemail her and she said stop leaving voicemails just to try and prove I was ill- I was over reacting and she had a life - didn't hear from anyone again for 2 weeks .

I was extremely unwell . Never had pneumonia before . I got shopping delivered. Dogs did t get walked bless 'em . I only got out of bed to let them out and in again . After they said they wouldn't help I didn't really have anyone else to ask so I managed .

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stillvicarinatutu · 19/12/2022 02:12

I did try to speak to dh at the time he said the kids have their own lives and I can't expect them to come running.

And clearly that's true . I can't get ill again. It's very difficult on your own and I worry about my dogs .

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stillvicarinatutu · 19/12/2022 02:13

Smallonesaremorejuicy · 19/12/2022 01:58

They seem very harsh towards you . Get your divorce in place, sell the house & get your own places . Please don’t pay anymore of your exes bills . I hope you have a great Christmas 🎄 with your friend.

I've only got 2 payments left on dh iva. I can't let it default now .

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stillvicarinatutu · 19/12/2022 02:19

But yes I'm gearing up to divorce - waiting to see if he
Produces the marriage certificate and when his debt is gone I'll have enough to see a solicitor.

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LorenzoVonMatterhorn · 19/12/2022 02:23

stillvicarinatutu · 18/12/2022 23:25

And no I aren't going to rent forever.

I wo t get a full pension but my lump sum would buy a park home (not a super luxury one but not a static caravan either !). I'm just wanting to look at solutions that would work for us all .

Why?

divorce. Get money from your home. It is ridiculous that isnt even a consideration.

FlatWhite2 · 19/12/2022 02:26

Your daughter is hurting. She’s being reactionary and picking fights because she’s hurting. She wanted a Christmas dinner with her mother, not her mother’s friend. I actually understand her point here. You say you call/text, she’s always busy. Persist. You’re the parent. Write her a letter explaining how much you love her and why you left the marriage.. do what you can. She may be the one in the wrong here but as far as the mother/child relationship goes.. it’s always the parents job to try and fix the problem, no matter the child’s age.

Dontsparethehorses · 19/12/2022 02:29

The thing is your relationship with dd is not healthy, it’s clear your ex has been saying things that aren’t true about the past and how the relationship was with you. You’ve gone out of your way to try and support your ex in the hope of it helping your relationship with dd. It hasn’t worked. You need to put you first, after Boxing Day plan another meeting with dd and use it to explain how much you have done for ex (paying off debt, continuing to pay mortgage) but now you need to find a more secure permanent housing solution.

Explain you will be fair to your ex but you can no longer support him as he has his own new relationship and life. Then don’t engage with dd regarding it. She will have to come to terms with it in her own way and you just keep on loving her and being there for her. You can’t allow her to use the threat of your unhealthy relationship with her (her being the cause of this from what you’ve said) as the reason you don’t have a flat for your retirement. The house will have to be sold long term but that’s what happens when people split, move on, things change and that is normal. One day and one decision at a time.

stillvicarinatutu · 19/12/2022 02:34

FlatWhite2 · 19/12/2022 02:26

Your daughter is hurting. She’s being reactionary and picking fights because she’s hurting. She wanted a Christmas dinner with her mother, not her mother’s friend. I actually understand her point here. You say you call/text, she’s always busy. Persist. You’re the parent. Write her a letter explaining how much you love her and why you left the marriage.. do what you can. She may be the one in the wrong here but as far as the mother/child relationship goes.. it’s always the parents job to try and fix the problem, no matter the child’s age.

She's getting a Christmas dinner with me . It was simply a suggestion I put to her .

I have less than 300 now to laste
The next 4 weeks . My neighbour knows this so suggested it so we could split the cost . My dd and ds do not give a rats arse that I have no money . And the reason I have no money is because 400 of my wages go on dh and my iva. He claims to pay 300 - no - I pay 210 of his plus mine - so he actually pays 90 quid . I've started so I'll finish since it's so close to the end - but at times I've asked dh to borrow back 50 £ to get me through the month and he's told dd and she thinks I'm the cheeky fucker for asking to borrow !!! I just want it over now .

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Merlott · 19/12/2022 02:37
  1. The money - get a fair settlement. It's none of DDs business. If a fair settlment means DH has to sell the house (can't get a mortgage to buy you out) then that's what has to happen. None of anyone else's business.
  1. Stop fannying around with arrangements and specific requests for DD. You've mentioned a good few examples in your posts here. Meet her where and when she asks, and don't bring extra random people into it ffs. Buy her nothing for Xmas just a card OR buy her the gift she has asked for. Don't buy her random crap and then act like a martyr over it! Your responses to her smack of disrespect, "mother knows best", and faux-innocence that she's then pissed off with you for trampling over her clearly expressed wishes. I would absolutely bet money this is the real reason DD is so pissed off with you! You trample her boundaries and subtly undermine her /gaslight her. Try treating her as you would your DS for a change!
mathanxiety · 19/12/2022 02:40

Hire a solicitor.

Divorce your ex.

Force sale of the house.

Your ex is an adult and can move in with his girlfriend. Or rent somewhere.

You have nothing to lose here. Your relationship with your ex is over. Your daughter hates you anyway.

You have not made her love you by behaving like a doormat, apologizing left, right and centre, holding back from getting your hard earned money out of the house, and paying for pricey presents.

DD may even learn a little respect for you when she sees you're nobody's fool amd you're willing to fight to get the life you want.

NewBootsAndRanty · 19/12/2022 02:45

Your daughter is buying a house with her bf - what happens if they split up, in terms of selling /paying for / staying in their house?

Courtjobby · 19/12/2022 02:49

Please go for half. I think you are way too kind. There's a good chance your partner will settle down with someone else in the future and be able to afford somewhere else jointly. There's also a chance that if you don't get half you will be renting in retirement.

mathanxiety · 19/12/2022 02:49

You're not responsible for your ex's housing needs.

You need to stop feeling guilty and stop trying to buy the good will of your ex and your adult children.

You left because you were miserable. You are allowed to leave an unhappy relationship.

You tried to find happiness but ended up being abused. It's OK to try to find happiness.

Now you're letting people abuse you again. There comes a point where you have to ask yourself how you escape the cycle you are stuck in.

So far you have only got more and more engaged with the people who are kicking you in the teeth and you are dead set on ensuring you are impoverished and living in a grotty rented flat in your retirement because you don't want people who don't care about you to think badly of you.

Stop trying to control what these people think about you or you will never secure your future.

The answer tonyour problems is a thick skin and a good solicitor.

mathanxiety · 19/12/2022 02:51

Go and get your own marriage certificate. Why do you need your ex to produce one?

stillvicarinatutu · 19/12/2022 03:01

I've never ever treated dd with "mother knows best " clearly mother doesn't .
Mother is lost .
Mother has contemplated suicide on realising that if mother was to shuffle of this mortal coil dh would get the house , the mortgage paid off, 120k life insurance, my pension , dd and ds would get 50k between them and mothers worried would be done and dusted. No worrying about where to live , how to live , who she's pissing off , work , dogs , - mother would solve it all in one fell swoop . Mother had researched this extensively and had plan b firmly in place just in case - my back up plan if all else is lost .

Please don't y patronise me because you dont know me , you dont know what I've suffered, what I'm still suffering or what this entire situation has done to me .

I had a happy , family unit once . A busy family life . Do you know what I do now in my days off ? I lay in bed . All day . I do t shower , or eat , or get dressed. I lay in bed , I dose , on and off until it gets dark . Then I drink a bottle of wine so I can go back to sleep . I hate absolutely everything about myself , my life , my work , my finances, my lack of stable housing , the fear that something might go wrong with the car or a dog might need a vet , because I have no savings , no spare cash , no credit card , no credit rating , no family , and one friend who is as skint as me .

That's how I feel . That's not how I present . If asked if I'm ok - yep - I'm good thanks . I'm fine ! I laugh and joke , I take the piss out of myself , no one has a clue that inside - I'm dead . Numb . Everything is in black and white . No joy . No real sense of hope , or happiness, or worth . All gone .

But I'm a martyr . Because I've tried so hard to put everyone else first , and because I do t want my kids to hate me more than they do , and because they're all I have left .

I'll be glad when this is just done with . All of it .
When I had pneumonia I began to think I was stsrting with sepsis and the truth is - I wouldn't go to hospital. I didn't want to. I fucking prayed it was and that it would give me an out from my shitty shitty life .
And I kept bloody waking up .
It's shit.
If I had died no one would have found me for days . The only people checking in were neighbour and work . And then not daily .

It would have done a lot of people a bloody huge favour .
Yet here I am .

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stillvicarinatutu · 19/12/2022 03:07

Oh and I'm on 100mg sertraline and hrt.

I can't medically make myself better.
Yes I'm depressed. It won't shift .

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stillvicarinatutu · 19/12/2022 03:11

My childhood was really really shit - and I thought I had broken that cycle, with my family . God I was fucking smug .

And then it all came back to get me . Nuclear self destruct button hit . Never
Come back from it. Probably won't now .

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stillvicarinatutu · 19/12/2022 03:22

So . Apologies for the self indulgent pity party.

I will be seeking legal advice.

Dh does have the marriage certificate so did t particularly want to pay for a copy- and can't afford a solicitor until Feb anyway.

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NewBootsAndRanty · 19/12/2022 04:01

I'm sorry things have got so bad for you mentally. Are you able to access any kind of therapy or counselling, be that nhs/work employee support schemes, women's counselling service etc? If hrt and meds aren't keeping you afloat, it could be helpful. Take care.

stillvicarinatutu · 19/12/2022 04:06

I am ok . Don't feel the need for anything, it just is how it is . Im existed like this for a while and I'm sure I will continue to do so . Flowers
Thank you x

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