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I really need some objective advice re dd

317 replies

stillvicarinatutu · 18/12/2022 21:14

I'm going to give the back story so no drip feed .

My dd is 25 , and I have a ds , 31.

My dh and I married at 19 and I left him when I was 42.

I had done everything at home , ds had meningitis and later dx with autism , I did 8 weeks alone in hospital, all the medical appointments, all the home admin , childcare, if the kids were ill it was my job to sort , I worked part time too. Dh worked ridiculously unsocial hours and I spent every single night of the marriage alone . Sex was shit and he has ED .

I left him at 42 , my ds had left home , my dd had started university. I was attracted to a man I worked with, but I wouldn't have an affair , I left in January. I started seeing someone else in March. By this time I had battled to get a full time job that paid because dh earned a pittance. I was the breadwinner and had been for 4 years.

I have no doubt this affected dd deeply although at the time I wasn't thinking straight - I was menopausal, restless, bored and sick of everything.

She dropped uni a year later and went home to her dad and the marital home. I was renting .

She was and is angry with me . I got pg with the man I was seeing at 44, dd seemed excited, but the baby had a fatal chromosome disorder and I terminated mid term which was really hard . My then partner was shit and no support. We weren't living together. We stayed together a short time and lived together for a while but he was increasingly abusive and I left .

I've lived alone for 3.5 years.
The problem is my relationship with dd. It's broken . We were extremely close - now it's strained.

She complains to her father that I don't do enough to see her .
Yet if I try , she's busy , if I say can I call , she's busy , if I ask to meet up , she's busy .

The guilt I felt from leaving means I did nothing about divorce or finances . Dd says since I left , I shouldn't get anything. Her father agrees. I paid 21 years of a mortgage, and I've paid 50k of debt off - mine and dhs- it's taken me 6 years. We had separate IVA and I paid both . (He couldn't afford it- I could )
This means he has stayed in the marital home .
He is now seeing another woman - fine - he is 56 and so is she , no plans to live together or marry etc .
I've now said it's time to divorce and sort finances . He's blown up at me - I left - I should have nothing . That's how he feels , and how my kids feel.
I've said I will not force a sale or make him homeless.
I'm looking at alternative solutions including me buying a park home on retirement so he can keep the house . As long as I aren't renting after retirement- I'm happy . I am currently renting .

I've become great friends with my neighbour and we do a lot for each other . We are spending Xmas day together, and going halves on dinner . She's goi g to be alone with her dd who is autistic, I'd be alone , her dd has asked if I can be there and since me and her mum get together every week anyway , for food and wine , we go out for the occasional drink, go shopping together, stuff mates do ! It's lovely . Her dad has virtually adopted me too ! It's nice .

Dd and ds are with their dad for Xmas day - so they were coming to me Boxing Day .

I've got their presents here to give them then .
Dd wanted a second Xmas dinner . That would be quite expensive and my lovely neighbour and friend suggested we do a big shop , go halves , and do a lovely Boxing Day buffet and have it at hers .

So I text dd asking what she thought.

Text back is horrible. Basically dd is saying "we wanted to see you since you never bother , I do t want to see your friend she isn't part of my life , so just forget it we will just come for an hour in the afternoon. "

I've text back - it was just a suggestion- no problem- we do t have to do that , we can stick to Xmas dinner here etc .

No reply then a curt reply saying stop texting me, I have a life you know , I'm out with (boyfriends parents ) .

I text back - are you free for a call later ?

Nothing back .

Her Xmas list consisted of expensive ugg slippers , she's buying a house so I got her a kettle and toaster, towels, personalised photo frame and Xmas bauble , stuff for her car , I've
Got her boyfriend a brew dog gift set , something for his car ,

I've got ds a silver key ring and a luxury travel wallet, and I'll be getting him some other bits this week .

He can't take much back to Asia with him where he lives . He doesn't carry luggage .

I live alone, I barely make ends meet . I've 2 more payments on dh iva then it's done , and 9 more on mine . I've not had my hair done in over a year , I've not my car serviced for 4 years, I shop at Aldi, -
And yet - I'm still the villain . I can buy the uggs etc , but when I dared suggest Boxing Day buffet with neighbour you'd think I'd suggested selling dds first born to the devil himself .
Now it appears she isnt even speaking to me.

I do not know how to heal this.
My own relationship with my mother is NC and has been for 25 years. I do t want that for me and dd - yet I cannot win . Everything I say , everything I suggest, is met with anger. I suggested counselling- nope.
Her dad is the bees knees of course .

Neither of the kids checked on me recently when I had pneumonia. Dd said she thought I was making it up. An ambulance was sent and I was on a nebuliser. They wouldn't come look after my dogs so I could go to hospital.

What the fuck do I do now ? I hate this . I'm constantly apologising. I'm constantly trying . I've asked her what she wants .
She seems to hate me .
I tried to speak with ds about the house etc and he went straight back to his dad and told him - then he said he does t want to be involved- fair enough.

But I cannot win . The only thing that would satisfy them all is if I go away , ask for nothing out of the house , give everything away , go quietly, rent for life , spend my pension on rent and then claim benefits (this is dh"s suggestion when I asked how I rent after retirement. )

I haven't done anything. I've asked nothing. And they are acting like this now - if I do press for some equity I dread to think what happens then . They barely tolerate me now .

I do not know what to do.

OP posts:
mathanxiety · 22/12/2022 06:16

You're getting a huge amount of validation from this child who was very inclined to blow hot and cold since you first started posting about her.

You need to stop seeking validation from external sources.

stillvicarinatutu · 22/12/2022 06:20

It's not validation. Really it's not . But I do understand autism . My friend has lost friends due to her behaviour. I just won't let her behaviour affect my friendship with her mum .

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stillvicarinatutu · 22/12/2022 06:23

And I actually do find her endearing. She can be horrific in some of the stuff she says but then she'll come press her forehead against mine and wrinkle her little nose and give me a hug . I just do t take anything she does personally- good or bad . And her mum is an amazing friend. So I just do t let her dd affect that .

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GeneticallyModifiedGrump · 22/12/2022 06:52

Hey Vicar, this is going to be my last post on your thread and as before I mean this with kindness.
Your neighbours daughter is a distraction for you , it's clear you get joy from being with her but as a previous poster said she is just external validation for you.
You have had a lot of awful luck in life however the rest of your life will be what you make it, it doesn't sound like you have taken any of the advice on this thread on board? You would rather tell us how wonderful next door's daughter is than think about getting divorced and sorting your finances out!
I do hope you manage to sort everything out but it seems that you have stuck your head firmly in the sand with no intention of making any changes. Good luck.

stillvicarinatutu · 22/12/2022 06:54

I've already said I will be taking legal advice . First step . Big step for me .

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DontStopMeNow7 · 22/12/2022 06:54

Some of this isn’t making sense to me. I don’t understand the last two updates at all.

If you can afford a park home then you can afford a flat or you can afford a house up north. I know because I’ve looked into it extensively for myself as I’ll be buying alone. I’ll be mortgaging myself ages 50 to 70. It sucks but I’m on my own and I want a house. It’s for my own wellbeing and so my DC can visit and stay with me. Why are you retiring early at 60? Why can’t your exDP get another mortgage. How can you afford a park home?

It is all rather bizarre to me.

stillvicarinatutu · 22/12/2022 07:01

DontStopMeNow7 · 22/12/2022 06:54

Some of this isn’t making sense to me. I don’t understand the last two updates at all.

If you can afford a park home then you can afford a flat or you can afford a house up north. I know because I’ve looked into it extensively for myself as I’ll be buying alone. I’ll be mortgaging myself ages 50 to 70. It sucks but I’m on my own and I want a house. It’s for my own wellbeing and so my DC can visit and stay with me. Why are you retiring early at 60? Why can’t your exDP get another mortgage. How can you afford a park home?

It is all rather bizarre to me.

Because I'm a police officer I have to retire at 60 . I have no credit rating now due to the iva. I cannot get a mortgage and ive 9 yea to to retirement.

OP posts:
stillvicarinatutu · 22/12/2022 07:05

Ex is also credit black listed due to iva
Park home I'm looking at is 55k my pension would cover it

Anything else I can clarify ?

OP posts:
DontStopMeNow7 · 22/12/2022 07:15

Okay. Well an IVA isn’t necessarily a black list for a mortgage. Not once it’s paid off (and for some reason you’re paying his for him).

You don’t have to stop working after you leave the police, although I wouldn’t blame anyone for wanting to retire at 60, you don’t have to. You are only 50 and just IMO that’s still young.

Ladybug14 · 22/12/2022 07:22

DontStopMeNow7 · 22/12/2022 07:15

Okay. Well an IVA isn’t necessarily a black list for a mortgage. Not once it’s paid off (and for some reason you’re paying his for him).

You don’t have to stop working after you leave the police, although I wouldn’t blame anyone for wanting to retire at 60, you don’t have to. You are only 50 and just IMO that’s still young.

Agree ^

Sell the house
Get divorced
Stop paying ex's bills and IVA
Keep working once you retire at 60, even if volunteering
Stop pandering to your daughter

BabyFour2023 · 22/12/2022 08:09

You speak more highly of your neighbours child than your own DD. Even when she’s being unkind and not doing nice things you have nothing but praise for her. When your daughter gets annoyed at you for letting her down, you’re angry at your daughter. I’m going to be honest; I can see why your daughter is pissed off. It’s like excuse after excuse.
You say your a police officer with 9 years left. In another sentence you say you’re too tired to walk down a street. Can’t drive a car without being in pain. You’re too depressed to leave the house without covering your hair and getting dressed.

Yet you have the energy to engage regularly with the neighbours child.

You need to have a good think about what you actually want. It doesn’t seem like that’s a relationship with your daughter.

CPL593H · 22/12/2022 08:38

stillvicarinatutu · 22/12/2022 07:01

Because I'm a police officer I have to retire at 60 . I have no credit rating now due to the iva. I cannot get a mortgage and ive 9 yea to to retirement.

As you are a police officer, how do you envisage being able to do the job for the next 9 years if you are struggling to walk and drive and currently have to WFH most of the time? Serious question, it must be a major concern for you.

Keeptryingtobe · 22/12/2022 09:45

Your ex h really does not sound nice..

It sounds like you were very vulnerable when you met. You and no confidence and no life experience. You were a teenager and he was a man. He may have taken advantage of you ( in most circumstances I would definitely say he did).

From what you describe, you did everything at home, raised the children earned the money he didn't care about your feelings or how hard you worked. Wasn't proud of you.

Of course you ended up leaving, when you were turning into a ghost of a person. Sure your head may have been a bit turned but it seems like it was a catalyst that was needed as a push. You naturally craved basic life experiences you had never had before, the experiences most of us have had. Stop feeling guilty.

Now your kids visit him more often, probably a lot to do with the fact that he is in the nice home, teh one they grew up in, it's much more comfortable. He isn't anxious and looking for approval all the time. He blames you for the split even though deep down he was a huge part of the split by not supporting you.

I can't believe he was also letting you pay off HIS debts. That's not very nice of him....

I think he will be able to buy his own place with half the proceeds of the sale with no problem because I have no doubt he will buy a place with another woman. I also think that there's a good chance he has been saving lots of money while you have been paying his debts.

Stop worrying about him, he doesn't worry about you.

When you get yourself into a more comfortable and confident position it will be more pleasant for your kids to visit you.

A lot of young ppl have many social commitments and think their parents will live a long long time so visiting them isn't often as high on their priority list as it will be when they get a bit older and more mature. They will often go to visit the more comfortable place and get their needs looked after. You have given that to your ex. Time to take it back.

ps you are not in anyway old. I'm sure you can get a different job when you have to retire from the police.

I'm in my forties and trying to start a family, back studying etc I feel younger than I am, I may be naive too, but I think a lot about how we feel is about how we frame our predicaments in our minds eye.

monsteramunch · 22/12/2022 09:47

Anything else I can clarify ?

Some of us have posted round ups of your ex's behaviour to show that he really, really doesn't sound like he's 'so nice', 'very kind' and has a 'good heart'.

Have you seen those posts and can you see what we mean?

Do you think a good, kind man would have allowed you to shoulder the emotional and physical burden of caring for your joint child for eight weeks when he was ill? Even if he was working, you felt totally alone and unsupported emotionally. You wouldn't have if he was nice and kind.

He allowed you to pay off his debts. He allows you to live with depression in a home that makes you unhappy while he lives in the family home. He is allowing you to become poor and have no money while you pay his bills.

Do you think nice, kind, decent people behave this way?

monsteramunch · 22/12/2022 09:50

This is one of the round ups, from a PP, that I'm referring to:

He doesn’t sound that great tbh. In your own words:

”I did 8 weeks alone in hospital, all the medical appointments, all the home admin , childcare, if the kids were ill it was my job to sort , I worked part time too. Dh worked ridiculously unsocial hours and I spent every single night of the marriage alone . Sex was shit and he has ED.”

“I shouldn't get anything. Her father agrees. I paid 21 years of a mortgage, and I've paid 50k of debt off - mine and dhs- it's taken me 6 years. We had separate IVA and I paid both . (He couldn't afford it- I could )

This means he has stayed in the marital home”

“I live alone, I barely make ends meet . I've 2 more payments on dh iva then it's done”

“spend my pension on rent and then claim benefits (this is dh"s suggestion when I asked how I rent after retirement. )”

Do you think nice, kind, decent people behave this way?

WafflesRMine · 22/12/2022 09:54

stillvicarinatutu · 19/12/2022 03:01

I've never ever treated dd with "mother knows best " clearly mother doesn't .
Mother is lost .
Mother has contemplated suicide on realising that if mother was to shuffle of this mortal coil dh would get the house , the mortgage paid off, 120k life insurance, my pension , dd and ds would get 50k between them and mothers worried would be done and dusted. No worrying about where to live , how to live , who she's pissing off , work , dogs , - mother would solve it all in one fell swoop . Mother had researched this extensively and had plan b firmly in place just in case - my back up plan if all else is lost .

Please don't y patronise me because you dont know me , you dont know what I've suffered, what I'm still suffering or what this entire situation has done to me .

I had a happy , family unit once . A busy family life . Do you know what I do now in my days off ? I lay in bed . All day . I do t shower , or eat , or get dressed. I lay in bed , I dose , on and off until it gets dark . Then I drink a bottle of wine so I can go back to sleep . I hate absolutely everything about myself , my life , my work , my finances, my lack of stable housing , the fear that something might go wrong with the car or a dog might need a vet , because I have no savings , no spare cash , no credit card , no credit rating , no family , and one friend who is as skint as me .

That's how I feel . That's not how I present . If asked if I'm ok - yep - I'm good thanks . I'm fine ! I laugh and joke , I take the piss out of myself , no one has a clue that inside - I'm dead . Numb . Everything is in black and white . No joy . No real sense of hope , or happiness, or worth . All gone .

But I'm a martyr . Because I've tried so hard to put everyone else first , and because I do t want my kids to hate me more than they do , and because they're all I have left .

I'll be glad when this is just done with . All of it .
When I had pneumonia I began to think I was stsrting with sepsis and the truth is - I wouldn't go to hospital. I didn't want to. I fucking prayed it was and that it would give me an out from my shitty shitty life .
And I kept bloody waking up .
It's shit.
If I had died no one would have found me for days . The only people checking in were neighbour and work . And then not daily .

It would have done a lot of people a bloody huge favour .
Yet here I am .

I am sat here with tears streaming down upon reading this. I absolutely understand your sacrifice. It's not your fault at all. You did try and you did 99% of the child raising Your daughter is being terribly selfish and totally manipulating you. So Sorry OP. Sending you hugs

ScrollingLeaves · 22/12/2022 10:17

If you can afford a park home then you can afford a flat or you can afford a house up north

Places to live are much much cheaper in the NE.

ScrollingLeaves · 22/12/2022 10:39

stillvicarinatutu · 19/12/2022 03:01
You have every reason to feel desperate. You are a special person, though, and can have a good life in the future, you must believe that.

You have already listened to advice and have started to get on better with your daughter.

Sometimes a few basic steps help:
Get out of bed.
Make the bed.
Wash and get dressed.
Have some food with nutrition in it and tea or water.
Go out with the dogs(?).

Try to arrange more therapy.

stillvicarinatutu · 22/12/2022 10:53

At the minute I'm on restricted duty to to the issues I'm having.
I have 9 years to go , which may not be on the frontline.

There are other jobs that I can do if I cannot get back to full fitness .

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DontStopMeNow7 · 22/12/2022 13:21

OP you don’t really respond to the PPs written to help you. I think enough has been said in trying to get you to see how you’re allowing people to walk all over you and that this is the crux of the problem.
Ive said my piece and this will be my last post.

stillvicarinatutu · 23/12/2022 01:20

I have said I'm going to take legal advice.
What else would you like me to do ?

OP posts:
monsteramunch · 23/12/2022 01:26

@stillvicarinatutu

I think it's more that you haven't let people know whether you can see, on reflection, that your ex hasn't been as nice or kind as you seem to think. That he let you down massively when your child was ill and also by taking advantage of you financially.

Not that you have to respond to those things, it's just something pretty huge when it comes to your flawed perception that you're the 'bad guy' when you sound anything but.

stillvicarinatutu · 23/12/2022 03:00

monsteramunch · 23/12/2022 01:26

@stillvicarinatutu

I think it's more that you haven't let people know whether you can see, on reflection, that your ex hasn't been as nice or kind as you seem to think. That he let you down massively when your child was ill and also by taking advantage of you financially.

Not that you have to respond to those things, it's just something pretty huge when it comes to your flawed perception that you're the 'bad guy' when you sound anything but.

Yes I always knew those things weren't good, but they were moments in a 27 year relationship during which there were good times .

OP posts:
SunflowerTed · 23/12/2022 04:46

stillvicarinatutu · 18/12/2022 21:34

I wo t be able to take my share because if I did dh would have to sell - I just mentioned about equity release and said can we explore if there are any options that work for us both .

I do keep trying with dd . Texting. Calling . She never talks to me now and barely replies to messages.

Id arranged in sept to meet her for lunch after a dental appointment, but it was cancelled so I asked if we could do a tea time Instead so I could see her longer than her lunch break ( I live an hour away )

Nope . She was angry I didnt travel anyway to see her for 45 mins the leave . I wanted to rearrange but she wouldn't. I have athritis in my knee so driving is hard now .
She's just permanently angry. With me .

You daughter treats you terribly already. Your ex has a new partner. Force a sale and look after yourself . In no world do you leave with nothing!!!!!

CPL593H · 23/12/2022 07:24

stillvicarinatutu · 23/12/2022 03:00

Yes I always knew those things weren't good, but they were moments in a 27 year relationship during which there were good times .

The financial stuff is not moments, is very much ongoing and you don't seem able to see it.

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